N&O/Charlotte Observer Takes A Look At Marvin Austin’s UNC Transcript

The link to this story from the Charlotte Observer written by the N&O’s Dan Kane showed up late Saturday night on Twitter. You’ll never believe this, but there are some questions about Marvin Austin’s UNC transcript.

Let’s start off with this bit of information:

In a summer 2007 session just before his first full semester on campus, Austin took a 400 level class in African-American studies and received a B plus.

So right out of high school Marvin Austin got a B plus in a 400 level course at UNC. I bet you’re shocked that it was an African-American studies course, but more on that in a minute. UNC spokesman Mike McFarland had this to say about 400 level courses at UNC:

a 400 level course is not necessarily harder than a 200 level course. But its designation as a 400 level course means that it is open to undergraduate and graduate students, suggesting it had a level of sophistication that would pose a challenge to a newly arrived freshman.

Julia Nichols, the student services manager for UNC’s Academic Advising Program also had this to say on the subject of 400 level courses:

it is unusual for any freshman to begin his or her college education with a 400 level course. The exceptions, she said, are freshmen who have demonstrated an aptitude, either through advanced placement classes or other experience and petition the professor to be allowed to take the course.

“As a general, blanketed rule, freshmen are not normally allowed to take 400 or 500 level classes,” she said.

So Marvin Austin must be one of the sharper knives in the drawer to not only handle a 400 level course right out of high school but also get a B, right?

Austin got into the class despite having a score on the written portion of the SAT that was low enough that he needed to take a remedial writing class, which he took in the subsequent fall semester.

Wait, what? Remedial writing?

OK, so he’s not a good writer. What about his other courses?

The partial transcript shows that Austin was carrying a 2.21 grade point average after more than three semesters and three summer classes. A 2.0 GPA, or a C average, is required to remain in good academic standing, according to the North Carolina student handbook.

Austin received grades of C minus or lower in seven of 17 classes and labs, the transcript shows. He failed an introductory geology lab, received D’s for two Portuguese classes and a D plus for a 100 level history class. A D is a passing grade at UNC, and allows students to move up to a higher level class.

Failed Rocks for Jocks but Bioethics in Afro-American Studies was no problem.

I know this is a highly unbelievable coincidence but Julius Nyang’oro, the professor that couldn’t detect the plagiarism in Michael McAdoo’s Swahili paper that Pack Pride found in 5 minutes on Google, is the professor that gave Austin permission to take the 400 level course as well as taught the class. What are the odds?

What about the grade distribution in that course?

a large majority of students taking the bioethics class in the past five years scored an A minus or better. The report showed no students received less than a B minus. Nyang’oro is one of two professors the website lists as teaching the course during that period.

And this brings it all together:

A prominent critic of bigtime college sports said Austin’s transcript suggests he was assigned to a class that was intended to provide him a good grade to maintain his eligibility on the football field.

“You don’t start at the senior level seminar and then work your way down to remedial writing,” said Jon Ericson, a retired Drake University provost who started an organization called The Drake Group that advocates for reforming college sports.

Those are just the choice quotes, you really should go and read the entire article.

Just another fine example of The Carolina Way.

About WV Wolf

Graduated from NCSU in 1996 with a degree in statistics. Born and inbred in West "By God" Virginia and now live in Raleigh where I spend my time watching the Wolfpack, the Mountaineers and the Carolina Hurricanes as well as making bar graphs for SFN. I'm @wvncsu on the Twitter machine.

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55 Responses to N&O/Charlotte Observer Takes A Look At Marvin Austin’s UNC Transcript

  1. highstick 08/21/2011 at 2:27 PM #

    I shall be “wreaking havoc” in Chapel Hole again this week…Look for more breaking news!

  2. blpack 08/21/2011 at 2:49 PM #

    There has got to be so much more to this. Will Graves and Marvin A aren’t lone rangers for their sports. The door is open. Some enterprising reporter can do a little research and expose the full ineptitude of the Carolina Way. Multiple sports, multiple players, multiple years. It is mind boggling.

  3. Hungwolf 08/21/2011 at 3:32 PM #

    ” Blue Print for Change for College..” is on ESPN right now. A panel of College Football experts, coaches, announcers, etc. including Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, and Urban Myer. Topic was brought up about dirty assistant coaches that everyone knows is dirty yet still get hired and are aloud to operate even though everyone knows they are runners for agents, breaking rules, and dirty. At first they said not to mention names then someone said, we all know we talking about “John Blake!” and everyone agreed.

    FINALLY! Public Acknowledgement that everyone in college football knew UNC-CHeat knowingly and willingly was breaking the rules. So no longer can UNC-CHeat, Butch Davis, Holden Thorpe, Dick Baddour, boosters, and the UNC faculty hide behind the curtain and claim that they didn’t know. EVERYONE that is anyone in college football knew especially UNC!

    Experts in college football just said for the world to hear that UNC-CHeat knowingly cheated! CAN YOU HEAR IT NOW, BOG?

  4. bluelena69 08/21/2011 at 4:27 PM #

    I hate to say it, but NC State has some of this same stuff going on. All schools do. I had such a class when I was at NC State. This has nothing to do with the validity of African studies. At NC State, it was a sociology class I experienced that was a joke. If anyone wants to insinuate that African studies is somehow invalid or unworthy of academic study, then you do so at risk of exposing a quite small and limited view of the world. I find it just awful that African studies finds itself at the center of this mess, as I have done quite a bit of academic work within the realm of the African diaspora and it is quite rich and it offers quite a bit of insight into the fundamental human condition.

  5. wolfman1 08/21/2011 at 4:28 PM #

    What a joke…a newby freshman arroved on the campus of Harvard of the South as an academic non qualifier, 5 weeks after getting his high school diploma …needing remedial writing courses based on his sketchy SATs, and decides for his FIRST college course, to take a 400 level class. I know that it is not uncommon for student athletes to take a summer class so that they can lighten their workload during that first semester…to ease the transition into college. There’s only one way MA would risk eligibility like that…he was assured of no worse than a “B” at the diploma mill there at UNC-CHeat. So who assured him of the happy outcome in advance?? BD? JB? The professor? Or the long list of fellow football cheats that assured him that everybody gets a cakewalk to an A/B, and that the prof never reads what the jocks turn in. What class! The Carolina Way!!

  6. choppack1 08/21/2011 at 4:40 PM #

    blue – was that Sociology course a 400 level course?

  7. Hungwolf 08/21/2011 at 5:55 PM #

    Mathematics with a minor in stats here. My advisor suggested classes like sociology and psychology as GPA boosters. Did sign on for a sociology class and could only sit through two classes of nonsense before I switched to psychology of science and studied split brain experiments and if there was life on other planets. Lots easier than physics for sure, No doubt some classes are easier than others just like majors. But Blue I am not aware of any classes or major at NCSU that have a history of no one getting a D for years, and full of bball and football players. Not a good statement Blue withour offering any proof! Maybe Blue, is Tar Heel Blue?

  8. timberwolf 08/21/2011 at 9:16 PM #

    I taught at the university level in different capacities so I feel somewhat qualified to state the obvious. Regardless of the class, a 400 level course for a fresh/soph is criminal and obvious favoritism towards student athletes at UNC. Calling it anything but looks defensive. If I am a prof at UNC I would very very upset to be undermined by the athletic dept. And I am sure they are.

  9. Gene 08/21/2011 at 9:24 PM #

    I’m assuming NCSU has cleaned up the academic end of things for its football and basketball players.

    My high school geometry teacher had recently graduated from NCSU, when he was teaching us about 22 years ago and said the basketball players majored in Underwater Basket Weaving; basically they took classes to keep themselves eligible to play and not working towards a real degree.

    I think whole UNC-CH mess can be handled without an attempt to justify our superiority to them.

    If I was going to do it, I wouldn’t pick the academic excellence of our football and men’s basketball players (especially men’s basketball*), as a point of moral superiority.

    *To be brief, we’ve had several players, over several successive coaches who have had varying levels of problems with obeying the law.

  10. newt 08/21/2011 at 9:27 PM #

    Antawn Jamison, Jerry Stackhouse, and Vince Carter graduated in African-American studies to name three. I know because their graduations were highly publicized in national sports magazines as doing it the right way.

  11. triadwolf 08/21/2011 at 9:34 PM #

    This goes way beyond a couple courses or departments, or even athletics. The average undergrad student at UNC had over a 3.2 GPA last year. Essentially about half of the student body is carrying an A average (probably more than half assuming 4.0 is the highest grade you can get and that there are presumably people carrying a 2.0 or below – if that’s allowed at UNC). To be fair the average student GPA at Duke last year was 3.4. For comparison State was below a 3.0…

    It’s hard to show favoritism towards athletes when everyone is getting an A. I hope this all ends up crossing the basketball threshold, but I think there are those that would literally fall on their sword before that happens.

  12. highstick 08/21/2011 at 9:43 PM #

    I had finished all of the courses in my major and still had 12 more hours of electives to take my last semester. So I decided to venture out of “world of business, economics, and accounting” and took criminology, global politics, and a couple of other courses that I don’t even remember.

    The criminology professor “kicked our butts” and it was the only C(or anything else lower than a B for those in Faison) I made my last 3 years in college. It was not a “pushover course”. Nor was the Global Politics course. We ended up with a computer simulation for our final project(this was pre-PC’s so none of us knew anything about a computer at that time).

    I took a Social Psych course once. Lot’s of reading, but not all that difficult…

    I don’t knock anyone taking foreign languages…Being an ex-Army linguist, I probably have a lot more appreciation of languages than most. But when you turn the course into “something other than learning the language”, you’ve got to be careful. Studying the history, culture, geography, etc of a country is great, but learn the language first, not the other way around. And speak the language when you’re studying the history, culture, geography, etc. When I went through language training at the Defense Language Institute, all of those things were blended into the language training, but we really got deep into the other things after we had mastered the language.

    Sorta helps with “interrogations and water boarding later”!!

  13. highstick 08/21/2011 at 9:50 PM #

    If I remember correctly, Billy Cunningham graduated in “General College”..If you guys think this is a recent trend, think again!

  14. packhammer 08/21/2011 at 10:03 PM #

    Chancellor Thorp has desperately been trying to avoid “second guessing” the professors. Unfortunately he can no longer avoid a full and unbiased review of the UNC ch academic program as it relates to student athletes. If he doesn’t announce it soon then the NCAA will do so. It is an easy reach at this point.

    Marvin Austin could take and pass a 400 level legit college course? Nobody is going to believe that regardless of the fancy talk you put around it. I strongly believe that there is something special about the 1000 other freshmen that took 400 level courses. Like they had a bunch of AP credit and placed out of the lower level courses or they had already been admitted to a special program of study, such as through the Moorhead or some other program.

  15. fullmoon1 08/21/2011 at 11:48 PM #

    Blue, I don’t think anyone is saying that african american studies is not a legitimate subject of study but that athletes at unc are steered toward certain classes that they will be given a pass for becuase of their status as athletes. The same point was made regarding the swahili class on the hill. I remember a time in the 80’s when it seemed all unc players majored in communications and it was considered a joke.

  16. tuckerdorm1983 08/22/2011 at 8:26 AM #

    At every university that I have ever taught at there are always easy professors and hard professors. It used to be that evaluations of professors were not put on the internet.

    Anyway, I taught at UNC-Chapel Hill in the 1990s. One semester I had two football players. One came to class sometimes, the other not very often. Their work was rather poor. Most professors would have given them a F or at least a D. Well, I am one of those easy professors that almost never gives F or D. I was a soft touch when it came to grades no matter what.

    Long story short, I gave them both C grades. Right or wrong, they did minimal effort, but showed some effort at the end. Anyway the one that never came to class much, went on the have a very long career in the NFL.

    That next semester I had 3 football players in my class. They got passing grades and one actually put in a solid effort. That is showing up to class, passing the tests and writing decent papers.

    My point is that this professor may be the easy professor. Lots of professor see the football players coming to the University as slaves. They play for the school, bring in tons of money and then live like paupers. I could see a professor giving out good grades as kind of a “social makeup call”. Affirmative action is rampant in academia because of that exact same mentality.

    Perhaps I should have been a harder grader and flunked those two yahoos. As for affirmative action, I oppose it 100 percent.

  17. Gene 08/22/2011 at 9:11 AM #

    “The average undergrad student at UNC had over a 3.2 GPA last year. Essentially about half of the student body is carrying an A average (probably more than half assuming 4.0 is the highest grade you can get and that there are presumably people carrying a 2.0 or below – if that’s allowed at UNC). To be fair the average student GPA at Duke last year was 3.4. For comparison State was below a 3.0…”

    Higher admissions standards may partly account for the higher GPA’s. Duke and UNC get more people, who are college ready than NCSU.

    There were a lot of people at NCSU, who were not ready for college, when I was in school in the early 1990’s. They wouldn’t have gotten into UNC or Duke, but here they were in Raleigh partying everyday and bombing out of Chem 101 and not making it to their sophomore year.

    What would be interesting to compare are the GPA’s of people with similar SAT scores or who would’ve gotten into Duke and/or UNC and NCSU and chose NCSU and how they do academically. I have a feeling, from my anecdotal experience in college, that such a subset did very well at NCSU.

  18. Hungwolf 08/22/2011 at 9:49 AM #

    There’s very little difference in the average student admitted at UNC and NCSU, I been reviewing average admissions of schools in the states for years as I have six kids with 2 in college now and one already graduated college. The admissions to the NCSU AG school used to bring down our averges. Kids at NCSU and the Hill both typically have like a 4.2 GPA and around a 1200 SAT (Math and verbal). The Hill has had extremely high graduation rates of their students for years. And many of people that I know that attended both NCSU and UNC, say hands down NCSU is just a harder school. Not to say UNC is letting all students coast, but they just have soo many more easier classes and majors. No engineering school or computer science undergraduate degrees at the Hill.

  19. TruthBKnown Returns 08/22/2011 at 9:52 AM #

    UNX actually does have a computer science program. I worked with a guy that graduated with a CS degree from UNX.

    Edit: After reading the post that follows mine, maybe that co-worker friend of mine just minored in CS, or got some sort of “certificate”. It’s been MANY years, so the details are fuzzy now. I always thought he had his CS degree from UNX. But I could be wrong.

  20. Hungwolf 08/22/2011 at 9:57 AM #

    And Gene, I got accepted at NCSC and the Hill. Went to NCSU. Many kids from my HS with GPAs lower then mine with to Chapel Hill and they were able to party their asses off while never failing a class and maintaining good GPAs. I do know that there was two major differences in NCSU and UNC in how they treated freshmen in my day. NCSU had a goal to eliminate a good percentage of them. Chem 101 had no intention of passing 40% of them. UNC had a goal of passing as many as possible. No secret the BOG closed the minutes to the meeting with V for over 20 years because V brought up graduation rates of students at NCSU in general along with his players.

    And part of the reason the average GPA at NCSU is lower is they admit more student than UNC.

    Used to you could only minor in computer science at UNC but hey that was many moons ago, that was one reason I did not go there. I do understand they have since added a computer science major.

  21. patientwuf 08/22/2011 at 10:24 AM #

    Most of you will find this very surprising, but I am good friends with a 2010 UNC graduate that “literally spilled the beans” about her final year at UNC. As of fall break 2009- taking 400-500 level classes, she had not written a paper or taken a test. Almost 2 months of supposedly higher level classes and she did not have a graded assignment. My wife, who graduated from UNC in 93′(Pharmacy) was completely shocked.

  22. TruthBKnown Returns 08/22/2011 at 10:37 AM #

    ^ Was she in the “African Studies” program? 😉

  23. patientwuf 08/22/2011 at 10:49 AM #

    Marketing

  24. Prowling Woofie 08/22/2011 at 11:40 AM #

    ^ Conversely, my son, who is a rising sophomore at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia, wrote a total of 33 essays last year, AS A FRESHMAN !!!

  25. Prowling Woofie 08/22/2011 at 11:46 AM #

    ^He is not planning on majoring in AA Studies, BTW…

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