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-Great interview of TOB about NCAA investigations in college football:

Link to must listen interview.

TOB says you maintain control of your program by hiring the right staff and there is evidence that he has made good decisions in that 7(?) former assistants of his have been hired as head coaches. Somehow TOB avoided hiring a runner/agent as his associate head coach. I guess he was just lucky.

Meanwhile, here is link to an interview of Butch Davis by Adam Gold and Joe Ovies. Gold and Ovies continue to lead local talk radio in covering the UNC scandal by asking Butch some tough questions about hiring Blake and Wiley. If you have been previously turned off from local radio, then I suggest giving these guys another shot from 3-7 pm daily on 99.9 the fan.

In Pinehurst, Butch announced he takes full responsibility for what happened yet then brings up the NCAAs file on Blake to rationalize the hiring of Blake? If you take responsibility, then why even mention the NCAA file? Does he take responsibility for employing Wiley after she was released by UNC? Not really. Butch says UNC didn’t have a problem with it, so it was also OK. So he takes full responsibility for the scandal, but then immediately back tracks by offering up excuses and rationalizations for the problems his hiring of Blake and Wiley created in Chapel Hill.

That interview is an absolute must listen. How can anyone believe anything he says?

How is Butch so unlucky with his hires yet somehow TOB has been “lucky” enough to hire so many assistants that are current head coaches including Mike London at UVA, Frank Spaziani at BC, and Al Golden at Miami?

Poor Butch. Unfortunately, he had to make another staff change which is always a roll of the dice. Butch promoted UNC OL coach Sam Pittman to take Blake’s place on his staff as associate head coach.

“Sam has done a terrific job building our offensive line over the last four seasons,” Davis said in a statement. “One of Sam’s strengths is his ability to build relationships with people and motivate them to perform at the highest level. Sam also has been one of our top recruiters. He is man of great integrity and is a tremendous representative for the University of North Carolina.“

Question for Butch: Can I get a quote from Marvin Austin on Pittman’s integrity please(keep reading to see why I asked this question)?

Speaking of Pittman, his name comes up a lot when discussing John Blake. Pittman worked for John Blake while Blake was the head coach at Oklahoma in the 1990s. Does it make sense to hire someone with ties to Blake as the replacement for Blake? I am sure this was run by Marvin Austin and approved(again, keep reading).

There is some great work being done by another NC State message board poster. Manalishi is digging into John Blake’s phone records in advance of Butch releasing his 216 records:

** Here is the updated timeline, with calls between Blake and McAdoo.
Also, call information has been added from Norris McCleary.

McCleary was employed in the player-development program and was a conditioning assistant coach — and then after Blake resigned in September he moved up to help with the defensive line.

Here is some more detailed phone information from when the NCAA initially arrived on UNC’s campus, on July 12, 2010, to interview players…

These calls are from the afternoon of July 12th:

11:52am — Blake receives a call from Norris McCleary — 4 minutes

4:40pm — Blake calls Todd Amis (Marvin’s former H.S. asst. coach) — 24 minutes
5:10pm — Blake calls Todd Amis — 1 minute
5:12pm — Blake calls Norris McCleary — 1 minute
5:13pm — Blake calls a Fort Wayne, IN number — 9 minutes

** No other information on this number at this time. However, Fort Wayne is where the sports agency Maximum Sports is located. Among their clients is Ndamukong Suh, with whom Blake has been connected (for supposedly contacting). Other clients of interest: Deunta Williams and MARVIN AUSTIN.

5:28pm — McCleary calls Blake — 2 minutes.
5:43pm — Blake calls Michael McAdoo — 4 minutes
6:19pm — Blake calls McAdoo — 5 minutes
6:26pm — Blake calls Todd Amis — 1 minute
6:27pm — Blake calls Johnny Vines — 1 minute
6:35pm — Blake calls a number in Lincoln, Nebraska — 9 minutes.
** See earlier note about Maximum Sports, and Ndamukong Suh.
8:07pm — Blake calls McAdoo — 5 minutes
8:23pm — Vines calls Blake — 6 minutes
10:39pm — Blake calls McCleary — 1 minute
10:55pm — Blake calls McAdoo — 3 minutes
11:22pm — Marvin Austin calls Blake — 31 minutes
11:52pm — Blake calls Gary Wichard — 1 minute
11:55pm — Blake calls Gary Wichard — 1 minute
11:56pm — Wichard calls Blake — 6 minutes
12:02am (7/13) — Blake calls Wichard — 1 minute

** There are a flurry of other calls on the evening of July 12th, but not all of them are identified yet. Some could be important. One location is a CPA in California, for example. Other unidentified numbers from Durham, Chapel Hill, Oklahoma, and so forth.

Next up: the calls/events of July 13th, the second day of the NCAA interviews.
** This update will be added to the first post of this thread.

Another poster found this information about contact between Blake and Pittman:

Sam Pittman has also been linked to the phone records manalishi has been breaking down… a flurry of calls between Blake, Wichard and Pittman within a tight time frame … IIRC

actually … here it is:

………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. ..

On January 4th, 2009, Blake and Pittman spoke for five minutes.
Immediately after, Blake spoke with Wichard for eleven minutes.

On January 9th, Blake spoke to Wichard three times starting at 9:16pm — the last conversation at 9:37. Blake then spoke to Pittman at 9:38.

On January 20th, Blake spoke to Wichard seven times, and Pittman six times.

On January 21st, Blake spoke to Pittman at 3:59, and spoke to Wichard immediately after at 4:04pm. He spoke to Pittman twice more at 4:30pm. There were several other exchanges similar to this one on 1/22 and 1/23.

On January 27th, Blake spoke to Wichard for five minutes starting at 11:43am, and then called Pittman immediately afterwords.

I have no clue if this information is accurate about the phone records. Surely, Butch’s luck will turnaround with the promotion of Pittman.

There are at least a few adults in Chapel Hil. UNC alumnus Bob Lee (sorry if that isn’t his name) has been on the money throughout this scandal. His latest column brought up a very interesting point about Butch’s recent use of Marvin Austin as a character witness:

On Wednesday the highest paid guy in the UNC System not named “Roy” looked like an 8 y/o whose pet turtle had died. ACC media access mandates 50 some press conferences between now and October 28. Butch Davis emerged from a summer of reclusion to begin his season-long perp walk aka “death by 1,000 embarrassing questions” . Here are the highlights of this week’s “HE SAID WHAT?”

“The one thing I do know,” Davis said, “is that Marvin knows that I am completely ethical and that I always do the right thing.”

Former Miami AD Paul Dees and the entire Cleveland Browns organization responded with deafening guffaws.

Butch is now using Marvin Austin as a character reference !! To quote Larry The Cable Guy: “I don’t care who you are… THAT’S FUNNY.”

So funny that it overshadows Butch’s earlier announcement that he WILL release his “216” phone records…. just as soon as he power washes away any incriminating calls. Release date of the scrubbed clean records will be “pretty soon”. Butch is apparently now using Dickie’s gag writer. (i.e. “we could see it in their eyes ….”)

Butch Davis touting his own integrity is akin to pointy-headed uber-liberal peacocks in high academia touting their own intelligence.

My jaw hit the floor when I heard this comment from Butch. Even if Marvin Austin really believed in Butch’s ethics, then why would anyone care? Just how credible is any opinion of Marvin Austin about ethics and doing the right thing at this stage of his life? Is Butch this stupid to make a comment like that?

So not only does Butch have no control over his program, but he is using a former player that played a large role in this scandal who was kicked off the team last year as a character witness(yet invited back for pro day). Only in Chapel Hill…

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19 Responses to More from ACC Football Kickoff

  1. PackMan97 07/26/2011 at 9:06 AM #

    I love how it’s always the fault of someone else.

    On Blake – We asked the NCAA if it was OK, and they said yes. How were we supposed to know?

    What a cop out.

  2. WolfWall 07/26/2011 at 9:45 AM #

    “Mike London at UVA, Frank Beamer at BC, and Al Golden at Miami”

    Frank Beamer at BC?

  3. Old MacDonald 07/26/2011 at 9:46 AM #

    Is it Friday yet?

  4. TruthBKnown Returns 07/26/2011 at 9:50 AM #

    PackMan97, the real kicker is how they replaced Blake with a guy that is his protege’! Their arrogance is just astounding. Sometimes it seems like they are intentionally doing stuff just to see what the NCAA will do, like a spoiled brat pushing his parents to the brink with his bad behavior because he knows they never punish him!

  5. TruthBKnown Returns 07/26/2011 at 9:57 AM #

    If and when Pittman is exposed for problems similar to those of John Blake, will Carolina again be allowed to play the “we didn’t know” card?

  6. baxter 07/26/2011 at 10:04 AM #

    DU, EDIT ALERT
    you have Frank Beamer as the coach of BC –

  7. Daily Update 07/26/2011 at 10:11 AM #

    Thanks Baxter. Had no intentions of writing this morning. This was going to be some quick hitters and then I couldn’t stop.

  8. projectwentynine 07/26/2011 at 10:36 AM #

    “Does he take responsibility…? No.”

    “…back tracks by offering up excuses and rationalizations for the problems…”

    “… had to make another staff change which is always a roll of the dice.”

    “How can anyone believe anything he says?”

    This is your one and only warning. Keep political comments to the appropriate threads in the forums. I don’t usually waste my time editing off-topic remarks. I just delete the entire post. VaWolf82

    This made me laugh. Thanks for the levity. This site has devolved into little more than a collection of primarily delusional, self important “authors” with poor grammar, communist China-like censorship and a pathetic bombardment of ads, pop-ups and annoying videos. Disappointing.

  9. Hungwolf 07/26/2011 at 11:03 AM #

    “…how do you know Davis is lying, his lips are moving.”
    Former Browns player.
    I think this was in Sports Illustrated years ago

  10. The Grinch 07/26/2011 at 11:44 AM #

    See, what you all don’t understand is Butch doesn’t need a fancy vocabulary. He doesn’t need to know about rules, ethics or even so called common sense. He just needs what he’s been known for since he arrove: how to win!
    Oh wait…

    Also, stinks of troll a couple posts up

  11. TheCOWDOG 07/26/2011 at 12:04 PM #

    Good pulls, DU.

    Listening to the interview w/Adam&Joe yesterday, the “just below the surface” tension in Pale Rider’s voice was palpable.

    His mouth was moving, but his brain was engaged with thoughts of ” When are these guys gonna shut up ? “

  12. blpack 07/26/2011 at 12:34 PM #

    The hole gets a little deeper almost every day.

  13. MP 07/26/2011 at 12:48 PM #

    These guys are unbeleeeevable. I just post this over on the African Studies professor post:

    “You have to be a real special organization to continually demonstrate arrogance while also continually demonstrating that you don’t know what you’re doing.”

    THEN come over here and read this latest gem from Mr. I Become A Bigger Buffoon Every Time I Open My Mouth.

    I swear – The idiocy of these guys – I don’t know how to react. It confuses me.

  14. packhammer 07/26/2011 at 2:12 PM #

    Butch Davis almost always refers to the players as “kids”. Seems inappropriate to me in terms of building a sense of accountability, responsibility, and respect. Young men are and should be held to a different standard than kids. I suppose other coaches do it. Just strikes me as odd that BD does this so often.

  15. Hungwolf 07/26/2011 at 3:51 PM #

    The Pittman – Blake – Witchard phone connection is extremely damaging evidence to me. Hiring Blakes protege to take his place is one thing. Hiring Pitman when you got physical evidence to show is obvious invovlement in the improper agent connection is ming blowing and stupid. Only a school that thinks they can get away with cheating, can control the media, and shape public perception in their favor would do this! Has anyone asked for Pittman’s email and phone records or bank accounts? Did UNC-Cheat fire “Black Santa” only to replace him with the head elf? Pittman has gone from nothing to a top national recruiter overnight at UNC. It smells!

    Maybe I am reading too much into this, but I’ve seen some sources saying Davis takes responsibity. I never seen anything where Davis is actually quoting as such. I took his comments as he is in charge and things beyond his control happened but he has great support and never considered stepping down. I have never heard the word “resposibity” come out of his mouth. Is the media giving him an out?

  16. freshmanin83 07/26/2011 at 4:21 PM #

    “The one thing I do know,” Davis said, “is that Marvin knows that I am completely ethical and that I always do the right thing.”

    Maybe Butch is just using the media to communicate with Austin? Possibly whatever Austin was promised to not tell, about the program, will be done?

  17. packhammer 07/26/2011 at 9:18 PM #

    No doubt 83. Just a reminder for Marvin of the agreed on talking points. I can’t wait for practice to start.

  18. Plz2BStateFan 07/27/2011 at 1:04 AM #

    Sounds like a message to Marvin from Butch on what they agreed on he would say or not say about UNC after he left.

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