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28 Responses to Officiating for which MG & staff should get ready…

  1. IamGumbyDammit 04/11/2011 at 2:19 PM #

    My dog doesn’t get to go on walks that long…

  2. xphoenix87 04/11/2011 at 2:27 PM #

    Amusing as this is, it’s hardly limited to star players or Duke players. Switching the pivot foot is an epidemic at basically all levels of basketball, and it’s hardly ever called anymore. It’s all about perception. You can switch feet while pivoting all day, but if you pump fake and lift your foot a fraction of a second before you dribble, it’s a travel every time. Annoys the crap out of me every time I watch basketball now.

  3. tann84 04/11/2011 at 2:31 PM #

    I haven’t seen a walk that bad in a long time. What made it worse is that the ref wouldn’t call it so he just kept walking.

  4. Hungwolf 04/11/2011 at 2:34 PM #

    I am hoping MG’s experience and relationship with ESPN is going to benefit the Pack in drawing media attention to ACC games being called fair. Swofford and his officials have let UNC win multiple games as UNC as shot far more than its share of Free throws than its ACC counterparts. Maybe MG’s national name and ESPN fame will counter what I consider Carolina refs and a Carolina ACC front office showing clear favortism in how games are called to scheduling etc. Nothing wrong with wishing for a Level playing field that has not existed in the past.

  5. Hungwolf 04/11/2011 at 2:38 PM #

    PS. I never thought Barnes and other top coaches were ever scared of coaching against UNC or Duke. I think their fear is that the games would never be called fair enough to coach on a level playing field.

  6. tjfoose1 04/11/2011 at 2:39 PM #

    Hungwolf,

    A nice thought, but in weighing MG against Duke and UNC, on which side do you think ESPN will fall?

    “I haven’t seen a walk that bad in a long time. ”

    So you’ve already forgotten ‘Beaker’ Hansbrough? Knight’s breakdown of Tyler’s traveling is the only time I can remember ESPN being critical of pro UNC officiating.

  7. goalielax 04/11/2011 at 2:52 PM #

    is there a more played out angle than complaining about refs…especially at a high school all star game…have you EVER seen an all star game where it’s been called tight? come on…

    but at least now i understand why you guys blocked me from the SFN twitter account – probably didn’t like me telling you to stop complaining about ACC refs during non-ACC reffed games in the tourney.

    but at least you and IC have something in common now – silencing those who don’t march in lockstep with you. bravo

  8. gopack10 04/11/2011 at 2:54 PM #

    It almost becomes humorous after a while but I agree that this kind of problem isn’t a biased Duke/UNC problem but a problem with basketball in general.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk2hITJ1iGA

    Here is another instance where it is ridiculous. But I’m just going to go ahead and put it out there that it is simply a coincidence that this is a former Dukie too.

  9. StandUpAndHowl 04/11/2011 at 2:57 PM #

    Oh my! Does this game rules anymore.

  10. StandUpAndHowl 04/11/2011 at 3:00 PM #

    Oh my! Does this game have rules anymore.

  11. Howler 04/11/2011 at 4:37 PM #

    During the NCAA tournament, I spent some time watching players’ feet. It was unbelievable how often players would receive the ball and do a little jig down there while facing up to the defender. Unless the player is making a “basketball” move, it quite often goes uncalled, and I think that applies to all teams. I can’t stand Bobby Knight, but the one point of emphasis in his analysis that is right on point is all of the missed traveling calls.

  12. One Man Wolf Pack 04/11/2011 at 4:38 PM #

    It’s stuff like this post that contributes to the perception of the “lunatic fringe”. Was it a travel? Yes. Is this a HS ALL STAR game? Yes. Would anyone get away with this in college? 99.9% of the time, no.

    I think the bigger concern when it comes to officiating in the ACC is learning how to CONSISTENTLY officiate certain team’s physical style of defense. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind seeing our team duplicate that same type of defense intensity for a change. When you create a reputation of playing a certain way, you can get away with a little more than other teams. Until we (or any other team) can play defense with the same intensity as Duke, UNC, or FSU, we will be at a serious disadvantage when we play them.

  13. graywolf 04/11/2011 at 5:05 PM #

    Lets not forget this classic called out by Bobby Knight on national TV.

  14. fullmoon1 04/11/2011 at 5:35 PM #

    I am sorry but I do not agree tha UNC and Duke plays ‘tough” defense. They hand check, flop and are over the top aggressive guarding away from the ball with holding, elbowing and tom foolery. We have seen this over and over in the college game. Just refer to teh above mentioned youtube vid from Knight.

  15. tuckerdorm1983 04/11/2011 at 6:23 PM #

    i like this one

  16. MrPlywood 04/11/2011 at 6:59 PM #

    Good find greywolf, I was looking for that on ESPN.com. I love the bell sound effects to go with each step, and the fact that Hopsborough was used as an example.

    There was a lot of discussion about this year’s tourney and the way the “big” programs were losing to smaller programs, and that perhaps there was a trickle-down effect from the All-Star games that the 4 and 5 star kids play in. The thought was that the kids just wanted to play, and weren’t concerned about losing since there was always another game, and when push came to shove they didn’t know how to finish. They’re more concerned with the next level and showcasing their skills. I can see the same sort of trickle-down effecton both the players and officials regarding the lax officiating in the all-star games. It’s the And-1 effect. Slippery slope…

  17. Hungwolf 04/11/2011 at 9:17 PM #

    Seems Mark Packer used to keep a stat on Ft’s attempted by ACC schools in ACC games. If I remember correctly UNC took an extreme amount more than any other ACC team with only Duke being close to them. A shocking stat considering the physical nature, pressure defense, and over play on defense, and rebound aggresiveness by UNC teams. ACC Commiss from UNC and they get to shoot more FT’s than anyone.

  18. tann84 04/11/2011 at 9:31 PM #

    @Hungwolf He still does.

    http://packsmack.com/InfamousACCIndexCard/

    Guess who finished first this year?

  19. tann84 04/11/2011 at 9:32 PM #

    BTW my UNC fan hates that I found this list, so much so that he questions the validity/accuracy of the list. He just can’t believe it, its so funny.

  20. keyunit 04/12/2011 at 12:05 AM #

    How can you forget the recent McRoberts from duke!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7DjZehIGvs

    Its funny to watch full speed. I’m 6’5 with a good outside game…but if I knew I could have got calls like that I should have looked into Duke!

  21. Wufpacker 04/12/2011 at 12:43 AM #

    ” …but at least you and IC have something in common now – silencing those who don’t march in lockstep with you. ”

    I don’t know what you did to get blocked from twitter, but I feel certain that it wasn’t just having a differing opinion. The folks here have always invited differing opinions, assuming those who express them do so respectfully. If your accusation was even close to true, we would have all gotten banned from here a long time ago.

    Perhaps getting blocked from twitter has more to do with the fact that twitter isn’t the ideal forum to conduct such an argument/discussion (or any argument/discussion for that matter)?

    As far as the video linked….holy crap! How do you get to that level of organized basketball and still do that? I never made it past HS and NCSU intramurals and pick-up, but even I couldn’t do that without calling it on my damn self! I don’t care if it’s an all-star game or a pick-up game, that’s atrocious.

    And while I do think there is a bias among ACC officials, I feel pretty sure that this would be called no matter who did it. I’m more concerned about more subtle things like allowing teams dressed in blue to hand check or to get away with over the back on rebounds. Not to mention allowing them to get away with the obvious flops. I mean, every team tries to draw a charge and flops a little (well, except us), but they don’t even try to act anymore because they don’t have to.

  22. wolfonthehill 04/12/2011 at 5:56 AM #

    Thanks, keyunit – that’s the most egregious of all – it’s the first one I thought of when I saw the clip.

    And for those who think we’re on the lunatic fringe, please find one clip – ONE – where a State player takes as many steps as Psycho or McRoberts in the ones above… and doesn’t get called.

    Seriously – just one.

  23. highstick 04/12/2011 at 8:42 AM #

    It’s part of the continued “dumbing down” of the gain so that players who are “athletic” don’t have to abide by the rules. It’s also like comparing the “non steroid” era of baseball to the “steroid era”.

  24. Wolfy__79 04/12/2011 at 2:40 PM #

    i’d like to see more women in men’s hoops officiating. retire some of these old cows or send them to the nba?? of all professions, do these people have 100% job security?

  25. The Grinch 04/12/2011 at 4:31 PM #

    With all due respect to the narrator, that was 4 steps. After that it was all picot. Maybe 5 with the dribble step.
    I’m not saying this isue is not a problem, just not so much this example, especially in an all star game.

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