Evaluating “Flavor of the Month” Coaches

Every year there are certain teams that get hot during the postseason and become the “Flavor of the Month” (FOTM).  What defines a FOTM?  Usually they are a mid-major or smaller team, mostly with high tournament seeds, and they’ll usually reach the Sweet 16.  Since the coaching search is what’s dominating all discussions I thought it would be interesting to see what coaches from past years became FOTM and how they fared.  This is important because it helps define how much risk there is when looking to hire a Shaka Smart or Brad Stevens.

First off I decided to go back to the 2000 NCAA Tournament for looking at coaches.  Why 2000?  You try doing this research and see how long it takes you.  First you’ll see who I consider the FOTM for each NCAAT.  Most are what I defined earlier but others are non-traditional basketball schools having great years and some are just coaches who have been around a long time and are having an unusually good year.  First off, your 2011 FOTM Coaches:

2011 NCAA Tournment “Flavor of the Month” Coaches

NOTE: Auto/AL designates if it was an automatic qualifier (won their conference tournament) or an At-Large team.

If you look at past tournaments several of these coaches will be identified as FOTM in previous years (Stevens, Miller, Hamilton) and then there is Fisher who is well into his coaching career but took a team who traditionally doesn’t fair well with the postseason and took them to the Sweet 16.  The rest are the true FOTM so lets look at their careers a little closer:

Not too bad.  Except for Mooney, Smart and Williams both made their first Sweet 16 in their first  4 years as Head Coach.  So how is this supposed to help us with evaluating if any of these coaches will continue, or increase, their success?  Let’s go back from 2010 to 2000 and see how other FOTM coaches fared after reaching their first Sweet 16.

2006-10 NCAA Tournment “Flavor of the Month” Coaches

2000-05 NCAA Tournment “Flavor of the Month” Coaches

 

Let’s look at a couple of years to see how various FOTM mid-major coaches have fared after their (first) one-shining-moment.

Here are all of the seasons:

2010 FOTM Coaches

2009 FOTM Coaches

2008 FOTM Coaches

2007 FOTM Coaches

2006 FOTM Coaches

2005 FOTM Coaches

2004 FOTM Coaches

2003 FOTM Coaches

2002 FOTM Coaches

2001 FOTM Coaches

2000 FOTM Coaches

Now let’s break these coaches down into different categories:

  • First one we’ll look at is Mid-majors who become FOTM and immediately move on to a bigger job.
  1. 2000: Bill Self.  In his third year at Tulsa he goes to the E8 and then moves on to Illinois.  Yeah, I’d have to say Self became a success.
  2. 2002: Stan Heath. In his first year at Kent St. Heath took them to the E8.  He took the Arkansas job and didn’t have much success.  Just over 0.500 overall record but losing conference record.  Plus only took the Razorbacks to 2 NCAAT’s.
  3. 2004: Thad Matta. In Matta’s third year at Xavier, and fourth overall, he took the Musketeers to the E8 (not to mention every year he attended the NCAAT).  Off he went to Ohio State and yeah, he was successful too.
  4. 2004: Trent Johnson.  In his fifth year he took the Nevada Wolf Pack to the S16.  He then followed this up with taking the Stanford Cardinal to the S16 in just four years.  Now he’s at LSU and has struggled with only 1 NCAAT appearance in 3 years.
  5. 2005: Bruce Pearl.  In his fourth year he took Milwaukee to the S16 then jumped to Tennessee.  Over 6 years he took the Vols to 6 NCAAT appearances including 2 S16 and 1 E8.  Then the fun really started.  He was very successful until he got caught.
  6. 2008: Darrin Horn.  In Horn’s fifth year he took Western Kentucky to the S16, jumped to South Carolina, and has struggled to the point he’s on the hot seat after 3 seasons.
  7. 2010: Steve Donahue.  After 10 season’s Donahue was able to take Cornell to the S16 and accepted the Boston College job.  In his first season he took BC to the NIT.
  • Next category lets look at mid-major coaches he became FOTM but stayed at their job at least another year before moving on.
  1. 2002: Bruce Weber.  In his fourth season at Southern Illinois he took them to the S16 but didn’t leave immediately.  He stayed for another season, took them back to the NCAAT, then left for Illinois.  He took Illinois to 6 NCAAT appearances in 8 seasons including 1 S16 and 1 National Title game appearance.  He’s been successful but the natives are getting restless.
  2. 2003: Todd Lickliter.  In his second season he took the Butler Bulldogs to the S16 but stayed for another 4 seasons and took the Bulldogs back to the NCAAT only once more but it was another trip to the S16.  Now after 4 seasons at Iowa he has failed to take the Hawkeyes to the postseason once.
  3. 2004: Mike Anderson.  In his second season he took UAB to the S16 and followed it up with 2 more NCAAT appearances in 2 seasons before moving on to Missouri.  In 5 years with the Tigers he took them to 3 NCAAT appearances with one trip to the E8.  He just left for the Arkansas job.
  4. 2006: Mark Turgeon.  In his sixth season he took the Wichita State Shockers to the S16 and failed to reach the NCAAT the following season before moving on to Texas A&M.  He’s taken the Aggies to 4 NCAAT appearances in 4 seasons.
  5. 2008: Sean Miller.  In his fourth season with Xavier he took them to the E8.  He followed it up the next season with a trip to the S16 before leaving for Arizona, where he took the Wildcats to the E8 in his second season.
  • The last category we’re going to look at are the mid-major’s who became FOTM yet never left their job.
  1. 2000:  Mark Few.  The original FOTM coach.  Few took the Zags to the S16 in his first season.  Even though his name has come up for ever job since that season he’s stayed put at Gonzaga.  In the following 11 seasons he’s made the NCAAT 11 times and returning to the S16 three more times.  Here’s the thing about Few, he’s a big fish in a small pond and he likes it.  Just don’t expect him to make a run unless he’s loaded with seniors and even still his ceiling is currently the S16.
  2. 2004: Phil Martelli.  In his ninth season he took St. Joseph’s to the E8 (the previous 8 seasons he made 3 NCAAT appearances with 1 S16).  The following 6 seasons he’s only been to the NCAAT once.
  3. 2006: Jim Les.  In his fourth season with Bradley he took them to the S16 yet has failed to return to the NCAAT in the following 5 seasons.
  4. 2006: Jim Larranaga.  In his ninth season with George Mason he took them to the Final Four.  The following 5 seasons he’s only returned to the NCAAT twice.
  5. 2007: Chris Lowery.  In his third season he took Southern Illinois to the S16 but in the next 4 seasons he’s only taken them to 1 NIT.
  6. 2008: Bob McKillop.  With the help of a certain Curry brother he was able to take Davidson to the E8 in his 19th season. He hasn’t been able to catch the magic again with only 1 NIT appearance in the following 2 seasons.
  7. 2010: Chris Mack.  In his first season with Xavier he took them to the S16 and followed it up in his second season with another NCAAT appearance.
  8. 2010: Ben Jacobson.  In his fourth year he took Northern Iowa to the S16 but failed to reach the NCAAT the next season.
  9. 2010: Brad Stevens.  The Ultimate FOTM coach.  He took Butler to the Championship game in only his third season where he followed it up with another trip to the Championship Game.  Still playing he could possibly exceed what he accomplished in 2010.
  10. 2010: Randy Bennett.  In his ninth season he took Saint Mary’s to the S16 and could only make the NIT the following season.

 

Let’s add this up.

  • In the first category where the mid-major jumps after becoming the FOTM, 3 out of 6 you can consider successful where the 7th is too early to determine.
  • In the second category where the mid-major stays before leaving the FOTM, 4 out of 5 can be considered as successful.
  • In the final category where the mid-major stayed at their school only 1 out of 6 (pre-2010 class) has been able to recapture that magic.  Of the 2010 FOTM class only Stevens has been able to duplicate the magic the next year.  The jury is still out on them until they have a couple of more years to see how they succeed.

So if you want to translate this back to NC State and the media telling Smart to stay at VCU and still be successful; don’t believe them Smart, the odds are against you.

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Class of '98, Mechanical Engineer, State fan since arriving on campus and it's been a painful ride ever since. I live by the Law of NC State Fandom, "For every Elation there is an equal and opposite Frustration."

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62 Responses to Evaluating “Flavor of the Month” Coaches

  1. Big T 04/03/2011 at 5:09 PM #

    Actually, the chart has it right on McKillop…write up was just off by one victory

  2. wolfmanmat 04/03/2011 at 5:59 PM #

    Yow needs to make a hire soon. Sid was hired late too and it put him behind at least a year on recruiting. If we are hiring a mid-major coach, he isn’t bringing a recruiting class with him(like say Cal at UK). Part of the reason Sid was screwed from the beginning(besides being a bad X&O coach) was that the search took so long and was so poorly handled that he pretty much missed a year of recruiting.

  3. 1.21 Jigawatts 04/03/2011 at 6:11 PM #

    Errors corrected. Thanks for pointing them out.

  4. bradleyb123 04/03/2011 at 6:20 PM #

    Isn’t it true that Billy Donovan only has one year left on his contract?

    Don’t programs that want to keep their coaches normally give them extensions before it gets down to their last year on their contract? Because that could hurt recruiting (if recruiting prospects see he only has a year left, they might think twice about committing, since he could be on the way out the door).

    In theory, of course.

    So why haven’t they negotiated a new contract for him yet down there in Gainesville?

  5. mak4dpak 04/03/2011 at 6:52 PM #

    Donovan would be a great hire, but since we missed the window last week where both sides don’t have to pay up, then it is safe to say, Donovan will back in Florida, next year.

  6. Boyd 04/03/2011 at 7:23 PM #

    ^^Not true. If they’re offering $40MM-$50MM, $500k is pennies. If he expressed interest in the job before the cutoff, I think the fee is waived.

  7. scndshot 04/03/2011 at 7:24 PM #

    Holding out hope for Donovan (1), Miller (2), Stevens (3). None have commented on NCSU at all, so maybe DY still has a shot. Donovan may want to tackle Tobacco Road and get out of football country. Miller pbly. has too good of a gig to give up and Stevens will probably hold out for Indiana. Based on DY’s comments, money (which could mean buying out a contract) will not be an issue,

    That leaves Smart, Marshall, Brey. I don’t think DY is even approaching Smart. Based on her original comments about experience, he wasn’t even on her radar…one run at VCU with another coach’s players is not going to be considered. Smart will jump for the cash at Missouri before VCU comes back to reality. Brey-he is AP coach of the year but doubtful as well.

    So, get ready to welcome Marshall but still hoping for a miracle with Donovan, Miller, Stevens.

  8. Pacobee 04/03/2011 at 8:27 PM #

    I’ve heard that BD is still in play. Nothing guarenteed, but at least still talking and recent. At Yow said…patience. Would love to say more but promised I would not. I’m hopeful but will be glad when this is over. Keep the faith.

  9. bradleyb123 04/03/2011 at 8:33 PM #

    Who’s to say Donovan didn’t already inform Florida that he intends to leave (before that deadline), and both sides just haven’t announced anything yet?

    Could it be Debbie is just enjoying herself in Houston, knowing a big announcement is coming shortly thereafter?

    I seriously doubt it, though. Because there’s talk that Miller just turned down a $3.5 million offer from us. If that’s true, then why would we be offering him, if Donovan was waiting in the eaves?

    But we don’t know what’s a rumor or a smokescreen, or what is real.

  10. BJD95 04/03/2011 at 8:57 PM #

    See if this helps people visualize my concerns:

    Imagine if Chuck Amato and Matt Doherty had a “love child.” That offspring would be Gregg Marshall.

    Thank God I am almost 100 percent certain that he won’t get the job.

  11. Gene 04/03/2011 at 8:59 PM #

    “The key is hiring a Matta, Miller, etc instead of a Gillen, Sendek, etc.”

    Gillen’s the winingest coach in Xavior history and the person, who turned Xavier into a mid-major powerhouse, in the 1980’s. In year three at Providence, he got the Friars to the Round of 8.

    If ever there was a “sure thing”, when an ACC school hires a coach from a smaller program, I think Gillen would’ve been it. Great success at a mid-major and success in the Big East.

    Hiring coaches is a very inexact “science” at best.

  12. West Coaster 04/03/2011 at 9:19 PM #

    It looks like at least Archie Miller is moving from Arizona…to Dayton, Ohio to lead The Flyers!:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6286241

  13. mak4dpak 04/03/2011 at 9:36 PM #

    I did wonder if the job has already been accepted, and Yow is keeping it quiet til the finals are over. So who will it be, can’t stand the wait much longer, but truly hope all State fans everywhere will be elated.

  14. 61Packer 04/03/2011 at 9:43 PM #

    Per BJD95, sounds like it’s the ‘A List’ or we’re busted.

    Sing it, Ray Charles……….

  15. tvp1 04/03/2011 at 10:35 PM #

    BJD – can you fill us in on why you are so down on Marshall?

    I know nothing about him except for his record and what I’ve seen in the few games of his teams’ that I’ve watched. He looks very good on that record.

    I’m still holding out hope that someone is still in play besides Smart/Marshall. Either of those guys would be a huge step up from where we were, IMO, but I refuse to rule out one of our top targets just yet.

  16. ADVENTUROO 04/03/2011 at 10:45 PM #

    I found this tonight. Earlier today, I got an email about the Mizzou contact with VCU. The email stated that Brooks is credible….VERY credible. I waited until the info was public. SO, I am NOT reporting this as fact….read it yourself and make up your own mind.

    http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/wolfpack-smart-pursuit-may-rule-out-mizzou-29603

    Twill be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. Anybody know if Debbie flew commercial or if she went down on a private plane. Maybe she will bring back a “seat mate” and will have ordered him some appropriate clothing. I understand that we will have to pay an additional clothing allowance since the VCU colors and the Mizzou are similar….but heck, we can afford it.

    Don’t let the Rumor Mill Bugs bite….they tend to get vicious the closer it gets to the Final Four….and they REALLY are aggressive in the days following.

  17. State Fan 04/03/2011 at 11:20 PM #

    BJD95, yes I can visualize it, or maybe a Herb Sendek-Monte Kiffin love child.

  18. ADVENTUROO 04/03/2011 at 11:27 PM #

    Well now, Geno’s UCon Ladies are NOT going to the FF. That means that we will NOT have all the hype about UCon playing for BOTH championships….

    BUT, that means that Geno will be available for talking….Wonder if Mizzou or NCSU will be calling?

    NAH….but it make for interesting speculation.

    THe UCon assistants are dumbfounded and Geno is speechless….

  19. ADVENTUROO 04/04/2011 at 12:17 AM #

    HOLY FECES, Batman……

    Frank Haith of Miami Fame is going to MIZZOU….Now that is something from the proverbial LEFT FIELD.

    ESPN SC is reporting it..

    http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=13289198

    Sounds like SOMEBODY from VCU did NOT call Mike Alden back….

    Wonder who Shaka is talking to?

    http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=13289198

    http://twitter.com/sportsbybrooks

  20. quypack93 04/04/2011 at 12:52 AM #

    Looks like MU just did the U and the ACC a big favor taking Haith. Wow, now the U is free to take a chance on someone new. Haith has been terrible. This could be the start of the ACC’s resurgence. Clemson, BC, GT, UVA, and State are having new coaches and now adding UM to the list. Interesting. How much Miami pay Mizzou’s AD? Wow.

  21. quypack93 04/04/2011 at 12:55 AM #

    Well, this proves the national media right, mizzou’s job is better than State’s. LOL!!!

  22. c c harrison 04/04/2011 at 2:24 AM #

    Smart on “deck” now & ironing out a-list coach(s) offers = ???

    please no WTF hire this time…

  23. PackerInRussia 04/04/2011 at 2:33 AM #

    “Imagine if Chuck Amato and Matt Doherty had a “love child.””

    Good thing I haven’t eaten breakfast yet.

  24. State Fan 04/04/2011 at 5:57 AM #

    Haith has a proven record of success in the NIT and obviously is not a FOTM, kinda like Gregg Marshall. Frankly, I don’t think he’s even on the board as a regular flavor. Hopefully our hire won’t leave us scratching our heads like the folks in Columbia, MO.

  25. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 04/04/2011 at 6:38 AM #

    “Who’s to say Donovan didn’t already inform Florida that he intends to leave (before that deadline), and both sides just haven’t announced anything yet?”

    This would seem to me to be highly unlikely. This would mean the Florida has decided to wait on NC State and Yow to start looking for a new coach. If BD has accepted and not told UF that would be highly unprofessional and I would think against some kind of NCAA violation.

    If Yow has signed someone other than Smart it probably happened yesterday or will today.

    I don’t see Yow enjoying herself at the Final Four with a new hire inked with a team full of young kids waiting to have a coach, recruits needing info about their future, then U taking a beating in the press, and fans slowly going insane. I’m sure a search cost several thousand dollars for each day that it runs. I would think it is unlikely that the $75K paid to the firm covers any actual expenses for the search.

    I think the entire basketball community would be pissed if Yow is drinking cocktails while everyone is waiting.

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