Revised and Extended Miller Sales Pitch

Even if you’ve been living under a rock, surely you’ve heard by now – Sean Miller’s sophomore-laden Arizona Wildcats delivered an epic, vicious beating to senior-led, defending national champion Duke last night. Any chance of an “under the radar” courtship, or U of A passing on a bidding war for Miller’s services – completely out the window. Once again, big thanks to Lee Fowler for determining in his infinite wisdom that Sean Miller wasn’t ready five years ago, but Sidney Lowe somehow was.

Yet I woke up this morning with an unequivocal frame of mind – so f-ing what. DY has no fear heading into this hire. Neither should we. Let’s compete with Arizona on an even playing field, with their leadership as “all in” on Miller as Wolfpack Nation.

Sean Miller can have pretty much any job he wants now. We know that he believes NC State offers everything one needs to build a championship basketball program. Instead of hoping for him to stumble, let’s be confident of how attractive and special a place NC State is. That Miller will choose NC State as an ideal place to win his second national championship. That he wants the spotlight on him 10+ times a year, rather than 2 or 3. I watched a ton of non-ACC basketball this year. How many times were Pac Ten games featured? How far down the channel list would I have to scroll just to find out Miller’s Wildcats were playing (likely at 11:30 EST)?

If Sean Miller comes to NC State, he brings instant credibility to battling the blues. You can bet your ass that his matchups won’t be Raycom regional splits. And when Roy and K retire in the next 7-10 years, who will be better positioned to be the top dog in college basketball? Hell, maybe the Andy Katzes of the world will be left navel-gazing about the “challenge” of bringing in a new blue coach to work in the shadow of Sean Miller and NC State.

That’s what we have to offer, Sean. We hope to see you back in Raleigh soon. Thanks for your consideration, now get back to kicking some ass on the hardwood.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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76 Responses to Revised and Extended Miller Sales Pitch

  1. Rick 03/25/2011 at 9:18 AM #

    “Given what we were looking for at the time: e.g. Barnes, Calipari. Miller’s resume of 2 years of HC experience and a one and done appearance in the NCAAs would have not been acceptable”

    LF did not even look at the mid major options. He took the easy route and chose a coach no one could criticize because he was “family”. LF is a coward.

    “If we do get an “up-and-comer” rather than an established name, I just don’t want that looked upon as a failure. We have a really good AD in charge”

    It probably will be until the guy succeeds. And we can expect more articles about our unrealistic expectations.

  2. LRM 03/25/2011 at 9:20 AM #

    ^So your argument is that Miller’s two years of experience with an NCAAT appearance wasn’t as good as a guy with zero college experience and one of the worst all-time coaching records in the NBA?

    Most of us knew even then that Sean Miller might have coached under Sendek, but he was a Matta protege. Anyone who watches Miller’s teams play knew that right away.

  3. quypack93 03/25/2011 at 9:34 AM #

    Agree UnclePen, I like Miller as much as most here. But there are others. FSU brought it to Duke as well as UNC in their second game of the regular season. It was one game and now it’s Miller or bust for most people here. This mentality made us picked the “bust” version last time. If the last search taught us anything at all, other than the public display of complete incompetency and silliness, is that there are good young coaches out there, such as Miller, Stevens, etc circa 2005. We shouldn’t pigeon-holed ourselves into either Miller or failure. The talks of “taking our gloves off” and going for broke to het him is sophomoric. No matter how much money we can and will offer him or how great we think NC State is as a program ( and I believe we have everything to be a great program) or how great we think the ACC is (and it is), we are asking, or hoping a coach to leave two years after UA had given him his first opportunity as a head basketball coach in a major school, at a BCS conference. On top of that, they just won their conference championship and are in the Elite Eight. You are talking about a dream hire? Well, it is.

    But we need to wake up. I hope I am wrong.

    Instead of focusing on the Millers, the Barnes, the Donovans, and the Stevens of now, we should spend more time and effort in identifying and hiring the next Miller, Barnes, the Donovan, or Stevens. The idea that Smart or Marshall and Miller (five years ago) present more risks because they haven’t shown they can recruit and win the the big conference has no base. How can you show you recruit and win in a big conference if you coach in a mid-major conference? It like telling an one-year-old baby you don’t think he/she will be able to walk because he/she hasn’t shown you he/she can walk yet.

  4. tmb81 03/25/2011 at 9:39 AM #

    Just for a sake of reference: Miller left Herb’s staff after 2001, just before the Princeton style offense was put in. It was Larry Hunter that replaced him and he introduced that offense.

  5. rtpack24 03/25/2011 at 9:44 AM #

    Couple of things to remember about Miller, Willams is by far his best player and even though he is a soph. he is gone after this year. He also has Lute’s shadow on him all the time. He also outcoached K in the second half last night.

  6. Lock 03/25/2011 at 9:46 AM #

    I’d love to believe that Miller would want to win his second NCAA championship here. But surely nobody REALLY believes a guy would walk away after winning a national championship? But hey, right now dreams are all we have.

    Also, who does the tweeting for you guys? Tell him to grow up and stop embarassing Wolfpack Nation with his insistence of not letting certain subjects go. Ever. I seriously believe this guy will celebrate the day Sendek dies. Besides, how many years would it take you to rebuild the program that led to the Les Robinson Invitational?

  7. rtpack24 03/25/2011 at 9:46 AM #

    Also, Pac 10 cut their TV deal with FOX so exposure is limited compared to other conf. lined up with ESPN.

  8. ADVENTUROO 03/25/2011 at 9:47 AM #

    I watched most of the game, but not with a whole lot of attention. I did notice that Mikey got a little hostile to the Ref’s and the Ref looked like he was thinking “T”. So regardless of whether AZ would have won with ACC Refs (who, I think, are routinely emasculated by Roy and Mikey), it don’t matter diddle squat. The game is over and Miller & Company SURVIVED and ADVANCED.

    Now, a really GOOD NCAA Coach would have worked with his team during the half to take advantage of the Ref’s and their “interpretation of the “rules”. Mikey did not….does that make him less of a coach. Certainly not, but he was not able to use his INTIMIDATION mystique to full advantage. Remember the team that Roy cried so much about last year, this year, and after the ACC Tournament also beat Mikey’s boys by a sizeable margin.

    As to Sean, if you read enough about his contract, MOST sources report more “incentives” that Wachovia and Bank of America’s Hidden Fees.

    If he consumes 40 Gr of fiber (which is 5 above the RDA for a Male) and has a bodacious Dump the next day, they make an extra deposit.

    So, as long as he keeps winning, his pay this year keeps on going up….

    I’ll bet he has a mental spreadsheet that he does after every game…..one with how he could of coached better and one with how much he made “extra” that night.

    SO, I for one, am not on the SEAN watch…but for the record, I did wear my RED underwear yesterday. Wonder if he would give me a kick back to wear them again on Saturday?

    The beat goes on and the drama just had a few more acts inserted by the writers.

    DY will deliver….whether she is nominated for Saint Hood immediately after the hire or maybe a year from now, who knows, but I think she will make the right call and we will have more W’s next year.

    Thus endeth the reading of the sacred words from the book of NCSU Basketball Greatness (circa 1950 – 1990).

  9. newt 03/25/2011 at 9:48 AM #

    I have to say that as I watched the game last night, I found myself pulling hard for AZ. It was fun watching Sean and Archie succeed, wherever they are.

  10. Master 03/25/2011 at 9:57 AM #

    I remain unfazed by anything that happened last night. All Sean Miller did was pad his resume. Miller has not been flying under the radar with us, Arizona or the national media. He is a known entity to those who have any control over his employment. Nothing new was learned last night, it was simply confirmed.

    Sean Miller certainly did not learn anything new last night and it’s his decision to make. Again, last night changed nothing except his ability to negotiate a sweeter salary. My understanding is that money will not stop our pursuit of anyone unless the current employer places a $4million bounty on his head. I think they would have done that anyway, don’t you? Zona knows who they have and have known it for some time.

  11. camel77 03/25/2011 at 10:10 AM #

    “I don’t understand this revisionist thinking regarding Miller in 2006. Given what we were looking for at the time: e.g. Barnes, Calipari. Miller’s resume of 2 years of HC experience and a one and done appearance in the NCAAs would have not been acceptable. However it was his time with Herb that would have turned off the fans. The mood at the time was to move away from that…far away from that.”

    I agree with what you are saying. The feeling among a lot of wolfpack fans in 2006 was that he wasn’t a big enough of a name and his style of play would have been what we were trying to get away from.

    I would love to see him here now but I don’t see it happening. With all the young talent and a top ten class coming in, he not leaving. If we had waited another year, I think leaving would have been easier.

  12. ncrecordkeeper 03/25/2011 at 10:10 AM #

    I’m impressed with Miller. I’d throw him all the cash I could. He would be a perfect fit. And I think Fowler was a joke as the AD. However, I can imagine how things would go if he had hired Miller off of 2 years of coaching experience last time around and stemming from a Sendek tree…fanbase would’ve been out for his head. Of course, it’s not that they weren’t already. And it would’ve taken a set of balls to make that hire at the time. But, if he had, he’d still have his job. Have faith in DY.

  13. BJD95 03/25/2011 at 10:13 AM #

    Nobody is saying Miller is the first guy we should have approached, or even the first name on the “B List.” But he certainly should have been considered before entering into a panicky “let’s pull a random name out of a hat” stage.

  14. StandUpAndHowl 03/25/2011 at 10:14 AM #

    I love the Wolfpack, but even I wouldn’t leave Arizona with what he’s already done there. He’d be crazy to do anything beyond use State to get more money. He goes there in the shadow of a retired great coach, Lute Olsen, and does a great job at a great program. Yeah, he would be foolish to leave.

  15. PittsburghPackFan 03/25/2011 at 10:17 AM #

    I want Miller so bad I can taste it…but if we can’t get him, we need to find the next one. Archie perhaps?

    Someone on here said recently that by going after Barnes, Miller etc. that NCSU is skating to where the puck is RIGHT NOW, not where it is GOING TO BE.

    I think there is some validity to that.

    DY, just bring us a winner and we’ll love you and the coach forever!

  16. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 03/25/2011 at 10:21 AM #

    The same people that say State missed Miller in the mid-oughts, as if anyone would of supported hiring a Sendekian after he left the program and never challenged the media’s assault on State fans, are delusional.

    However, these same people that think State missed the big chance by not hiring an unproven Miller, are the same people that say State shouldn’t hire an unproven coach, we would prefer to steal a coach from another BCS school that took the chance a few years ago. Of course they are happy to spend $3 million for it. Of course these are not the people actually paying the $3 million, but they are all for it.

  17. pack1910 03/25/2011 at 10:24 AM #

    “Of course they are happy to spend $3 million for it. Of course these are not the people actually paying the $3 million, but they are all for it.”

    This. It’s easy to spend someone else’s money. Ask Obama.

  18. packalum44 03/25/2011 at 10:24 AM #

    “Elite 8 is not overcomable. Final 4 is.”

    I had that backwards obviously. I’m close to slumping back into a numb yet comfortable apathetic state of mind.

  19. TheCOWDOG 03/25/2011 at 10:27 AM #

    Beej, your attitude is dead… nuts…on. I’m f’n sick and embarassed by these people that continue to reach into the box of Kleenex.
    “Oh, I’m so used to being a State fan… boohoo…”

    Freakin’ get over it or get out of it. Nothing has changed in this search. Jesushchristinasidecar!

  20. ryebread 03/25/2011 at 10:27 AM #

    I think that the chances were very slim with Miller prior to last night and slim just left the building. Que sera sera.

    It’s time to identify that “B” list candidate and go from there. There are a lot of “B” list candidates that could parlay our resources into a nice run of success. We just need to be intelligent with how we sort through and vet them.

    What we don’t need to do is what LMFF did in 2006. Now that our remotely reachable “A” list candidates seem to be off the table (and I think those were Miller and Barnes), we don’t need to panic and hand it to the first guy who will accept. That’s effectively what LF did hoping that he’d get out of town before the chickens came home to roost. Hopefully DY is in for the long haul, won’t panic like that and will deliver a solid hire.

  21. ncrecordkeeper 03/25/2011 at 10:32 AM #

    I’ve got no problem for swinging for the fences and paying for a sure thing. I think the money would easily be made back in the case of getting a Miller or even a Stevens. Instant credibility and a fast-track to success, IMO. All the stars have to align for that to ever happen, so there’s no sense in getting worked up when it doesn’t. I don’t view it as a failure if DY ends up having to do the harder work of actually trying to find the “next” great coach from a mid-major or is able to get the likes of Turgeon. Fowler would’ve been better served having moved to such a coach rather than panicking with Lowe. I don’t really want Marshall, but my guess is he would’ve done much better than Lowe ever did. We jut need to hit a home run with a coach with a very high ceiling.

  22. ShootingGuard 03/25/2011 at 10:46 AM #

    Make no mistake, I want AZ to lose to UConn now to get this all over with, but last night’s win did nothing but help Miller if he wants to come to State.

    Given, if he does come, it will cost State a lot more money, but, had Miller lost early, State would have been chastized for throwing the bank at someone who lost early like Sendek did. State was going to have to throw the bank at him no matter what, so it is all the better that his resume looks even fatter now with conference titles and Elite 8s at 2 different schools AND he beat Duke. He beat the $hit out of Duke.

    Can you imagine the press had Miller lost to Duke and then come? It would have been “State talks about competing with Duke and UNC and hated Sendek for not doing that and now they go out and throw the bank at a guy who couldn’t beat Duke…”

    Surely, the possibility of a long NCAA run was talked about among the agents of Yow and Miller.

    And, surely, if Miller was wanting to come in the first place it wasn’t because State has been a better program than AZ the last 20 yrs, it hasn’t.

    It is also surely not because of easier recruiting at State, it wouldn’t have been that easy at State except that the Miller boys are great recruiters whose job at State will/would be easier now that they can sell “developing” a lower rated player into the potential top NBA draft pick and winning conference titles and winning NCAA games and beating Duke in the process.

    The reasons for Miller to go to State now are the same as before, if there were any of these reasons before: family first, East Coast living, East Coast exposure and importance, getting beat on by AZ fans last year, having to live in Lute’s shadow, wanting to build his own legacy, competing against the very best of Duke and UNC week in and week out, etc.

    Now, Miller has all of the credibility in the world to justify that coin that will be thrown at him and the ability to sell the program to anyone, including any State fans who get stupid if the first year or two are harder than anyone expects.

    If he does come, I hope the first time he gets screwed by the refs in an ACC game with Duke or UNC he does what K did to Dean in the 80s and attacks the ole “double standard’ and points back to last night’s Duke game to show “hey, you want to know why the ACC sucks, it’s because you make everything around Duke and UNC…well, when I got my chance at Duke outside of their ACC favorite cocoon, I kicked their a$$es…this double standard is bull$hit!!!!!” He has the credibility—and will have the coin—to say that now and not be taken as the whiner he would be if he had lost to those guys.

  23. Wulfpack 03/25/2011 at 10:55 AM #

    I have 3 concerns. One, Airizona offers the world to Miller and we were nothing but another couple million per in his pocket. Two, while we drag our feet waiting for an answer from Miller, and he in the end says no, our other B list guys secure positions or negotiate new deals. And three, by now everyone wants Miller. Whose to say there isn’t another major program in the mix? Just a thought.

    The Stevens talk is crazy. Forget it. In all liklihood, I think Miller is genuinely interested and we have a chance. I hope our offer eclipses Zona’s…

  24. SandhillsWolf 03/25/2011 at 10:58 AM #

    What is the low down on how AZ fans treated him during his first season?

  25. ncrecordkeeper 03/25/2011 at 11:04 AM #

    Everyone off the ledge… it feels like the Pack is cursed, but you make your own luck. DY hopefully brings a different approach which can’t be worse than before. You try, try, try till you get it right.

    I think had Yow been in charge in the Sendek years, he never would’ve been around for year 5. That’s what we need. Make a good hire, let it play out, but cut your losses and no settling for “consistency” unless that’s pushing the limits towards championships.

    Nothing pisses me off more than hearing people comment about we should’ve kept Herb or insinuate that we didn’t know what we had. BS. We were Clemson or VT at best. We knew it. We take the risk of 100 steps back to go any 110 forward. No risk, no reward. Speaking of VT, how many years has Seth put out the same caliber squad? Got to love the consistency of being the 65th or 69th best team in the nation.

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