Email from Assoc AD Chris Kingston to Mark Armstrong of WTVD

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Email to Mark Armstrong:

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WRALSportsFan.com Another day, another round of NC State speculation.

So what is going on? A byproduct of using a search firm to conduct the search. Debbie Yow is using Parker Executive Search to reach out to various interested parties. After some level of interest is established, the topic of compensation is eventually going to be brought up. While we might be playing semantics, it isn’t an offer.

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Let’s put it another way. Say you’re an engineer at SAS. You like working there, but you heard Cisco is hiring. Your curiosity leads to inquiring about pay and benefits. You never officially applied for the job and never got an offer, but you use the potential numbers to better your situation with your current employer.

Yow isn’t dealing with out-right rejection. Instead, she is dealing with miscommunication and/or coaches who feel the need to control their own message.

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77 Responses to Email from Assoc AD Chris Kingston to Mark Armstrong of WTVD

  1. Wolfy__79 03/31/2011 at 5:20 PM #

    If for whatever reason a coach is contacting the search firm or even the hiring committee to establish a negotiating line with their own school or other jobs.. all their AD or the ones involved need to do is contact us/DY after our hire is made and dig up any fraudulent claims.. that to me would be messing with fire and also DY told us that she would call those people out publicly. i wouldn’t go that route if i’m a coach..

  2. Old MacDonald 03/31/2011 at 5:22 PM #

    This is good. I don’t have time to put it in the entry.

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/voices/blogpost/9365102/

  3. Moose Hunter 03/31/2011 at 5:31 PM #

    If Marshall is the bottom of the barrel, we are way better off than last time.

  4. Wufpacker 03/31/2011 at 5:33 PM #

    ” The problem I have is that everyone is just assuming that Debbie Yow can do no wrong and that we will hire the next Coach K. ”

    You keep saying this, though phrasing it slightly different each time. I’m sure there are some folks who fit this category, but it is by no means a majority. Having patience and a quiet confidence that she’ll do right by us is not the same as believing she can do no wrong, especially when waiting and leaving it up to her is all any of us can do to begin with.

    And sure, part of the difference is that she’s not a bumbling headcase like Lee Fowler, but I’m not sure why that should be a negative.

    She very well might not make a good hire, as defined by others. But I suspect she’ll do as well as anyone else could, and if she doesn’t get her top choices (whomever they may be) it won’t be for want of trying. And if it turns out to NOT be the right choice, I have confidence that she’ll rectify it sooner than her predecessor as well.

  5. MA Wolfpack 03/31/2011 at 6:15 PM #

    Let’s get Anthony Grant.

    Rock bottom is Smart.

  6. HPWolf 03/31/2011 at 6:18 PM #

    Hey Guys, enjoy this time. This is a great time to be a state fan. Take a look at what is really going on here. We are not even in the dance and people all over are talking about NC State basketball. DY is the AD and like her or not she will hire the best man she possibly can for the job. No matter who we get we will be better than we were. Our entire athletic program is on the rise with football and the new soccer coach, not to mention that fine ass Kelly Harper. We are becoming more relevant by the minute and I am excited about the future. I cant wait to see what TOB does with Glennon this year. RW is a great QB but Glennon can take us to the top. Bank on it.

  7. tuffyandsons 03/31/2011 at 6:48 PM #

    Off topic here, but I am not sold on Shaka. Study his two years of coaching and you may have the same opinion. Just look at his schedule/record this year:

    http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2670/virginia-commonwealth-rams

    How did VCU even get in the NCAA’s?

    I would go on a limb and say if VCU doesn’t pull of that 2 overtime win against Delaware that VCU would have had 0% chance of being in the final 4. If VCU loses one other close game during the regular season against one of their marginal opponents, it would be over for the NCAA’s.

    Who did VCU blow out? Wake. Come on, who didn’t blow out Wake?

    Rebuilding our program is going to require more experience than a miracle NCAA selection and a few weeks of great coaching and desirable match-ups.

    Everyone knows this is a crucial hire for our program. I don’t believe we can risk everything at stake without more proof.
    This is just my opinion. Shaka maybe the best coach of all time, but personally when I am down, I don’t throw all my chips on the table.

  8. wolfie91 03/31/2011 at 6:48 PM #

    1998 I don’t get your 32 years timeframe. That was 1979. Lots of good things happened since then, unless you consider Sloan leaving and Valvano arriving the beginning of the end. I don’t think there is any shame in not getting our first choice and getting a midmajor. Happens all the time in coaching searches. Happened to Zona and they are doing ok.

    BJD I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment, though I would love to be wrong. I can very well see us getting Marshall or Smart.

  9. tuffyandsons 03/31/2011 at 6:59 PM #

    I realize some may rebuttal my statement by citing 83′. The pack shouldn’t have made the tournament, but they won the conference tourney. Big difference from VCU.

    Shocka didn’t win the CAA, but it was almost like VCU won the lottery when selected to the NCAA tourney.

    If VCU didn’t win the lottery, would you know who Shaka is?

  10. packplantpath 03/31/2011 at 7:05 PM #

    1998, this isn’t unique to you. You just happen to be the most recent to post it. You did this to yourself. You set up expectations on a highly unlikely event. The odds we were going to get Barnes, Miller, etc were very low from the start. We had to inquire, just in case, but it was always a long shot.

    Plus, you somehow got it in mind that we would hire a coach within two weeks. Where does that come from?

    You, and many others, set your sights on a low probability event and when it didn’t occur, you got upset. I admit, I don’t get it.

  11. tuffyandsons 03/31/2011 at 7:15 PM #

    Are you all referring to me? Not sure if you are or not. But I have been a long time reader and this is my 3rd post ever. If you have me mixed up with some other poster I apologize. I just wanted to share my thoughts on Shaka. I wanted Gregg Marshall from the beginning in Sendecks replacement, and I still support him now. I have witnessed GM coach in person many times and I believe he is exactly what we need.

  12. bradleyb123 03/31/2011 at 7:18 PM #

    I can’t wait until tomorrow.

    April Fool’s Day.

    It’s hard enough weeding through the rumors. Tomorrow, we get the added complexity of having to weed through April Fool’s Day jokes.

  13. john of sparta 03/31/2011 at 7:24 PM #

    it’s already AFD somewhere.

  14. BJD95 03/31/2011 at 7:37 PM #

    You can make a case for Smart, and he’s at least familiar with the ACC. Good “credentials” as an assistant. Not a raving lunatic asshole.

  15. JT 03/31/2011 at 7:42 PM #

    Anybody REALLY worried that State is going to crap out and/or assumes the end result of this search will be bad “because this us NC State athletics we’re talking about” is a straight up p**sy. There, I’ve said it and I feel better. If one can’t be psyched about State ball right now go pull for the Heels or Kentucky. Rock bottom is where we’ve been for 20 years and it’s aboutto change.

  16. bmamba101 03/31/2011 at 7:58 PM #

    Yow is proving she is just ‘below average.’

  17. ADVENTUROO 03/31/2011 at 8:16 PM #

    bmamba101,

    Could you please cite, with references, the reasons why Debbie Yow is “below average”.

    She said the search would NOT be exciting. I remember the 2006 search and have not been that up and down since I rode the HULK Roller Coaster at Universal in Orlando at our FIRST game there when Chucky was coaching.

    I will take her at her word…

    Were you expecting to track the “big boys” like we did in 2006? Well this year there is “NO JOY”….just pure boredom.

    And all these “tweets” from the folks on CBS, FoxSports, ESPN, etc. who do NOT get their share of quality air time….is just pure BS. At least with Lee Fowler, he leaked enough info and was grabbing at straws every day….so that we would think he was in control.

    The “Search” committee has taken a vow of silence….lest they loose critical parts of their anatomy. We have employed a professional “bird dog” and we know WHEN he get a real scent on a quail or pheasant, compared to pointing a “Cardinal”.

    I have learned a lot about the various coaches that have been speculated on here….and it would NOT surprise me to hear that we have hired someone whose name has not been mentioned….but has a good record.

    Might I suggest that you, if you are in the RDU area, travel over to Ridgewood Shopping center and get a copy of Tim Peeler’s 100 Years of Innovation – the History of NCSU BB. That is a good read. It will calm your nerves….try it with a shot or two of Crown Royal….then go to bed and sleep.

    I will await your citations as to the total incompetence of Debbie Yow…

  18. albunde6 03/31/2011 at 8:20 PM #

    What I did on my NCAA tournament vacation. Was concerned about all the posting and who did what, who was offered what and why no word.

    Here is what I learned on my vacation today. There have not been any offers. Search firm has made inquiries as to interest. Search committee had conversation about position with prospects or agents. There has been one formal withdrawl of interest from what I will call the big 3.

    According to my coversation today, focus of search commitee is with coaches in major conferences with solid track records of more than 2 years. There will be more inquiries and convesations with prospects and agents. Search commitee has made recommendations, but as of last night no formal offers have been extended.

    Since the my A list and B list are still in game, then I will “remain calm, all is well.

  19. roofguy 03/31/2011 at 8:22 PM #

    Have you ever thought how someone can take the highest quality parts, with all the top specifications and design and engineer and develop a (insert your idea of a low performance, low quality, non successful vehicle) Year after year and once in awhile they hit it right and develop a (insert your idea of the most perfect dream car) That wins all of the awards and is crowned the Champion of all cars that year!

    Yet others can take the leftovers and non desirable parts and achieve the same performance dream car and win the National Championship of Cars for just one year.

    Would there be more discomfort with having all of those cherished and desirable parts and still coming in 8th or 15th more often than winning the Championship considering you had the best parts to work with?

    Pertaining to coaching, would one have the same expectations and disapproval for a coach that failed when he had the best of the best to work with and still didn’t get it done. Is the coaching deficicent compared to the guy who had used and less skilled parts and still goes home at the end of the season with nothing to show for it just like the coach who had it all. Comparatively speaking, it would seem that the coaching skills were quite similar with similar results in that neither came home with the National Championship.

  20. 61Packer 03/31/2011 at 8:36 PM #

    I’m on board with tuffyandsons in regard to his recent posts. I don’t understand why VCU got an at-large bid in the first place, considering Colorado had a much better “body of work”, so to speak. Had VCU not gotten in, NO ONE on here would know who you were talking about when you said Shaka Smart. He’s become basketball’s overnight sensation in almost the same rock-star manner Obama became an overnight political sensation.

    Many posters on here seem determined for us to create another Coach V. He was unique and I doubt we’ll ever see another, let alone get him as our coach. Could Smart be the next V? Maybe, but I’d like to see a little more of someone before I’d give him the keys to the RBC Center and two to three mil for the next 5 years.

    I’m not overly thrilled with Marshall, but his accomplishments are solid and he has at least one good assistant with 30 years’ college experience. I have no idea what Yow and NCSU will do, but I hope they’ll do a better job of looking past the glitz before making a decision. I like the way DY is handling the search, but I’m surprised (and disappointed) that Smart would become a target for our next hire.

    I’m equally surprised that of all the names I’ve heard associated with our last two coaching searches, that the name Bob McKillop has not been mentioned. Sometimes, it seems, you can’t see the forest because of the trees.

  21. Wufpacker 03/31/2011 at 8:42 PM #

    ” Yow is proving she is just ‘below average.’ ”

    In addition to Adventuroo’s request for citing the reasons why, I’d also be interested in hearing to whom, exactly, she is “proving” this?

    In the meantime, perhaps you should scroll back and (re)read packplantpath’s post above. It wasn’t directed at you, but apparently it should have been.

  22. Wufpacker 03/31/2011 at 8:51 PM #

    Regarding VCU and whether they should have gotten a bid or not….it’s immaterial. As tuffyandsons pointed out, a lot of folks believe that NCSU needed to win the ACC Tournament in ’83 to get the automatic bid or otherwise sit at home. Personally, I don’t agree, but that is also immaterial.

    What is not immaterial is that deserved or not, Valvano showed just how capable of a coach he was during that run. If we don’t make the NCAA tournament that year, and thus Valvano does not get the opportunity to coach the team through that run…..does that make him less of a coach?

    I realize his legend would be lesser, but he would still have been the same coach and just as capable. Don’t discount Smart just because you don’t think VCU deserved the bid to begin with.

  23. hball57 03/31/2011 at 8:56 PM #

    61Packer, I understand what you posted, but I want to make one point. WE may not have known about Shaka Smart, but I am confident that Debbie Yow knew about Shaka Smart. What his run in the NCAA has done is made US aware of him.

    My main hang up with Marshall that I always come back to is that he has never recruited at a BCS level school. There is a difference in how you evaluate and recruit top 50 players, and that is the area that Smart has an advantage. But I trust Yow and I am sure she will make a great decision for NC State.

  24. mak4dpak 03/31/2011 at 9:00 PM #

    Randy Bennett of Saint Marys, 10 years there, with 9 twenty or more wins season, Sweet 16 last year, conference champs this year. Just sayin, if you want a proven winner. Definitely not an overnite senasation, which we don’t need. Almost forgot, one of the nation’s top offenses, with average players. Definitely should be a target, but not the only target, before anybody gets out of sorts.

  25. graywolf 03/31/2011 at 9:02 PM #

    Maybe I’m just the tired old state alumnus of over 30 years and pessimistic but if we had our ace in the hole (BD) (RB) would he not already be in Raleigh?

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