As Longhorns Swoon, Coach Faces More Questions

Rick Barnes is a dream candidate for NC State fans to be Sidney Lowe’s replacement. As coaches stay longer and longer in one place, expectations rise and criticism grows if results don’t continue to trend upward. It happened to Tom O’Brien at Boston College and it happened to Herb Sendek at NC State. Will it happen to Rick Barnes at the University of Texas as well?

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There is no way anyone can call Barnes a bad coach. He has won more than 500 games and will lead a team to the N.C.A.A. tournament this year for the 16th consecutive season, a stretch that dates to his days at Clemson. That ties Duke Coach Mike Krzyzewski for the longest active streak. Texas is one of six colleges to advance to the Round of 16 in five of the past nine years. Included in that run is a trip to the 2003 Final Four, the first time since 1947 that Texas advanced that far.

But the ghosts of N.C.A.A. tournaments past still haunt Barnes. He is 0 for 5 coaching in first-round N.C.A.A. tournament games between No. 8 and No. 9 seeds. In his 12 N.C.A.A. tournament appearances at Texas, eight of his losses were against teams with lower seeds.

Some of those were forgivable, like when the No. 1 Longhorns lost to the eventual national champion Syracuse, a No. 3 seed, at the 2003 Final Four. But some losses still make Longhorns fans grimace, like the first-round losses to Temple, a No. 11 seed, in 2001 and to No. 10 Purdue in 1999.

“I don’t care,” Barnes said late Tuesday of the criticism. “I’ve been in this so long, I could care less about what other people think. I quit a long time ago worrying about that.”

Barnes is worried about his team, which showed that it had Final Four potential in victories over Kansas, North Carolina and Texas A&M. But Texas has also shown enough flaws lately to be the prototypical office pool head-scratcher.

Will their N.B.A. talents and once boundless promise translate to March success? Much will depend on whether Barnes has any magic stored up his sleeve.

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106 Responses to As Longhorns Swoon, Coach Faces More Questions

  1. jo2g5 03/02/2011 at 9:43 AM #

    The ACC declares the winner of the conference basketball tournament as THE champion, officially. Last I checked Clemson has never been the ACC basketball champion, for any year.

    You can see this referred to in page 7 of the ACC’s official men’s basketball pdf. In the tournament bracket, you can see the tournament winner is listed as the ACC champion:
    http://www.theacc.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/acc/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/weekly-release

    I don’t know what this regular season “champion” is.

    Ok Captain A little education for you. Check out this link for a list of regular season champs. It is something that is kept up with.

    Unc Has 27 Duke 19 and NC State 7 These are the teams with the most regular season championships.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlantic_Coast_Conference_men%27s_basketball_regular_season_champions

  2. packbackr04 03/02/2011 at 9:49 AM #

    NCSU84^ who was the last recruit that we competed directly with UNC or Duke for? Every top flight school is competing for the same talent, it has nothing to do with where you are. Hell half of Roys team is (or was) from California, its a wonder Ben Howland hasnt gotten into the fetal position and started sucking his thumb what with all the direct competition from UNC for recruits.

    geez. get real people. this is a tough job, i will give you that, but to say its harder than any other job with high expectations is crazy. we play duke and UNC the same # of times as everyone else in the ACC.

  3. packbackr04 03/02/2011 at 9:50 AM #

    jo2g5^ sure reg. season champs are tabulated, but they dont mean squat.

  4. rtpack24 03/02/2011 at 9:56 AM #

    Sean we have a chance with because Tucson is nothing like living on the east coast. Not only is the heat almost unbearable, they have a huge gang problem. Also, being a couple of hours from the Mexican border does not help. Do not think for one second that Rick Barnes would shy away from our job, had Fowler handled it properly the first time he would already be our coach. At Texas, football is #1, spring football is #2, baseball is #3 and basketball is #4. No one is more aware of this the Rick Barnes, this fall he had his team #1 in the country and only sold out 2 games before Christmas. They have slipped here in the latter part of the season maybe because they start 2 freshman and a soph.

  5. Hungwolf 03/02/2011 at 10:06 AM #

    Until 1982 there was another coach they said that couldn’t win the big one and was a big time choker. That would be Dean Smith. Plus he had more talent year after year than Barnes or TUB, yet he still only won the big one twice. Past failures don’t always mean futre failure. Look how long it took Roy to win the big one and he needed someone else’s recruits to do it!

  6. packalum44 03/02/2011 at 10:26 AM #

    “Calipari has only succeeded as a big fish in a little pond.”

    Dude took two non-BCS teams to the Final Four. That pond consisted of the 64 best teams last time I checked. He also played and beat strong OOC teams throughout his tenure.

    No way in hell he wouldn’t succeed here he got top 5 recruiting classes to Memphis and it is grossly exaggerated that he didn’t take the job because he wouldn’t be able to bring in his guys here. UNC/Duke don’t have problems bringing in talent and both K and Roy are inferior recruiters to Calipari, the greatest out there.

    And for the “he cheats” crowd out there, you think Lowe didn’t skirt the recruiting rules you have to be kidding yourself.

  7. Classof89 03/02/2011 at 10:26 AM #

    Just for the record, I would be overjoyed to have a coach in the position of being criticized for losing early in the NCAA tournament 12 straight years…

  8. jo2g5 03/02/2011 at 10:38 AM #

    jo2g5^ sure reg. season champs are tabulated, but they dont mean squat.

    So finishing atop the conference and 20-25+ wins a year doesn’t mean anything. If that is your logic than Barnes is not the guy because he has never won a tournament championship. ACC, NCAA, Etc.

    “Just for the record, I would be overjoyed to have a coach in the position of being criticized for losing early in the NCAA tournament 12 straight years…”

    So basically you were OK with Sendek, he was well on his way to losing early in 12 straight NCAAs.

  9. Wufpacker 03/02/2011 at 11:23 AM #

    “Dude took two non-BCS teams to the Final Four.”

    Yep. And cheated his ass off to do it. In case you’ve forgotten, BOTH of those respective final fours have been vacated by the NCAA.

    There was also the time when he (publicly) called a reporter “f**king mexican idiot”. Later he said he meant no harm and could see how that could be misconstrued as being derogatory (or words to that effect…I’m paraphrasing there).

    If he can’t keep his cool any better than that with the press when they caught him cheating here (which they would), and if he couldn’t give any better plausible deniability than that (he could see how THAT could be misconstrued???) then NC State is not the place for Mr. Calipari.

    Like I said before…just my opinion, but I think we dodged a bullet on that one.

  10. GAWolf 03/02/2011 at 11:24 AM #

    Classof89… I think the point of this story is indeed that we all want that until we taste some success and our perspective changes. Look at Grobe at Wake. Some of those clowns wanted to just field a competitive team and now they want to can him because he’s not regularly winning ACC Championships.

  11. Wufpacker 03/02/2011 at 11:25 AM #

    “And for the “he cheats” crowd out there, you think Lowe didn’t skirt the recruiting rules you have to be kidding yourself.”

    Forgot to add that if Lowe does skirt/cheat recruiting rules, he’s a helluva lot better at it than Calipari is.

  12. ryebread 03/02/2011 at 12:06 PM #

    Calipari was an awful target last time. If I’d have been the Chancellor, I would have relieved him of his duties leading the search the second he brought me that candidate. I said that at the time and I still feel that way today. Calipari cheated at two different places and got caught. The NCAA was breathing down his neck over Derek Rose at that time. We’d have been on probation by now with him, just like I expect Kentucky to be before they are done with him. WTF was Lee thinking with that one?

    Mad4pack: I’ve been pushing Bennett for quite some time as what should be our leading mid major target. Just as thcowdog who likes him as well. Heck, I love Few but don’t see that happening given he turned down his Alma mater to stay at Gonzaga.

    I do not agree though that BYU’s coach is a good fit, nor do I believe that he is remotely attainable. BYU is THE mormon Mecca. They’re the richest and fastest expanding religion in the US. They have deep pockets and if you’ve ever been to any of their temples you know they’re willing to spend it. They’re as fanatical about their sports as any fan base. Also because thy are private, they don’t have to disclose anything about what the pay their coaches. Finally, you’ve got to factor in what happens to someone in that religion is they spurn the church. They’re typically completely ostricized by their family and friends. Hiring a coach away from BYU that they want to keep would be akin to trying to hire a coach away from ND if ND were located in Vatican City and the coach believed he’d go to hell if he left. It just isn’t remotely feasible and it weakens you Bennett argument when you mention them together.

  13. Wolfy__79 03/02/2011 at 12:19 PM #

    i’m pretty sure the majority of nc state alum &/or fans know that calapari would have been a mistake.. he cheats. calamari = bmfd @unx. he would have won and would win. probably beat up on both duke/unx a time or two. but we should all know when that started unx would have sicked the media dogs on us and crushed our program.

    ^agreed, if lowe has cheated then he’s mastered this trick. look, he’s got a good eye for talent and a belief that he can make it work. not a good coach but give credit where it’s due!

    this discussion is a little off topic in a bad way bringing up the likes of calamari!! it’s what you say.. a moot point! he’s not coming here, state fans are state fans.. rich or aspiring to be… whatever, the majority of us don’t want a snake. i know my share of big dog alumni as i do those like myself young and on the way.. he’s a snake..

  14. wolfman1959 03/02/2011 at 2:22 PM #

    I will take Rick Barnes or Tubby Smith and smile all the way to basketball season starting back up in the Fall of 2011 !!! Please grab one of these guys IF they will take the helm Debbie !!!

  15. PoppaJohn 03/02/2011 at 3:34 PM #

    Totally agree, wouldn’t it be nice????
    But, it’s a fantasy.

    As someone posted and documented recently (perhaps on this blog?) successful major program coaches don’t often change schools. And then it is due to an emotional tie, like going back to their alma mater (Roy) or dream job.

    I totally believe Yow can get someone good, but pulling Barnes out of Texas? After 12 years? He built that program into a national contender. That’s just not going to happen.

  16. PoppaJohn 03/02/2011 at 3:53 PM #

    Just noticed that someone was promoting Randy Bennett. Totally agree. He looks to me like just what we need, talented, 10 years HC experience, like defense.
    Wiki says that Cal, Hawaii, Oregon and Oregon State have made runs at him but for some reason he turned them down. Perhaps he likes it where he is and wouldn’t be interested in the east coast.

    But he should get a phone call at the least, just to test the water.

  17. DC_wolf 03/02/2011 at 3:54 PM #

    packalum44 Says:
    “… both K and Roy are inferior recruiters to Calipari, the greatest out there.”

    I, uh, -er, don’t know where to start with that. I wasn’t even going to post until I read that nugget. packalum44 I typically agree with what you post but you are off the rails with that 1. Because I typically agree w/you I may stretch & GIVE you Roy (ignoring his ludicrous run @ Kansas) – but I can’t give you K. If Calipari had won his 1 trip to the finals I may give that some credence & ignore K’s FOUR banners…

    Dook typically has more McDonald’s All-Americans riding the pines than most teams can even START. When they won the championship back in 2001 they had NINE McD’s A-As. Think about that: four blue chippers waiting to come off the bench! K personally may not be charismatic or great on the recruiting trail – but does he need to be? All the guy does is WIN (& get over-favorable calls – but that’s another post), so his reputation precedes him. I’ve heard anecdotally about recruits wetting their pants @ a mere letter of interest from Coach K.

    Anyway, enough about K… Let’s get a coach who (tries) to do things on the up-and-up and who, preferably, has a long career ahead of him.

  18. CaptainCraptacular 03/02/2011 at 4:20 PM #

    J0, did you really just quote wikipedia to me as an authoritative source of information and tell me to get educated?

    Please tell me, do the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, or various NCAA fall and spring sports hand out “regular season champion” trophies? It’s completely meaningless.

    Yes you have a point that Barnes hasnt won a tournament, but there still is no comparison to Sendek. Did Sendek ever make the Final Four? The Final 8? Multiple deep NCAA runs? Have his team ranked in the top 10 at years end or even years middle? Talked about relevantly in the natiional conversation?

    There is no comparison.

    Sendek took a bad State program and delivered a NCAA berth straight from the bubble starting year 6. Barnes took an equally bad Clemson team which had gone into the gutter under ellis starting in 91, and had them in the NCAAs in year 2 and on the cusp of the final 8 in year 3. And up to that point, it was Clemsons only 3 year run in the NCAA.

  19. Uncle Pack 03/02/2011 at 4:52 PM #
  20. Wolfy__79 03/02/2011 at 5:29 PM #

    this man may not be everyone ideal candidate but is one of my favorite coaches to watch.. and he puts a tough competitor on the floor every year!! what you you all think of frank martin?? could you see his scowl on our sidelines??!! i’d love to see a competitor like him in raleigh.. but again, i’m not sure if he’d be the favorite!!??

  21. Wolfy__79 03/02/2011 at 5:33 PM #

    ^^that article and writer can suck an egg! what a cheap shot!

  22. Wolfy__79 03/02/2011 at 10:21 PM #

    i also like cronin at cincy.. he hasn’t quite reached the top of his game but has a pretty decent track record..

    there are so many good coaches out there.. we just need to make a move!

  23. MISTA WOLF 03/02/2011 at 11:41 PM #

    I scream, you scream, we all scream for Tom Crean!!!!

  24. Primewolf 03/03/2011 at 9:14 AM #

    Barnes comments about not caring less show a dissappointing degree of maturity for a coach his age.

    You just don’t hear that from intelligent, mature, professionals in any career.

    When someone says that it usually means the opposite.

  25. ryebread 03/03/2011 at 9:35 AM #

    Dear god no, not Frank Martin. Do we have to go over this again?

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