What Sidney Should Have Done Last Night

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Thanks to Tim Floyd and his trip to Greenville.

Love the jackass in the Duke sweatshirt on the front row at ECU. So many jokes. So little time.

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49 Responses to What Sidney Should Have Done Last Night

  1. Wolf74 02/24/2011 at 7:09 PM #

    I would have liked to have seen us play some zone last night and against Maryland. Maryland shot one 3 pointer. UNC-CHeats usually doesn’t shoot the 3 very well. Would be nice to see how they react to a zone instead of the same old loose man to man.

  2. choppack1 02/24/2011 at 7:14 PM #

    Adventuroo – you have the patience of Job, but the memory of well…Maybe you’re just conveniently forgetting the great strides we made at the end of Lowe’s 1st, 3rd and 4th year. We’re making them again.

    Hey, some coaches/programs are just like that. For years, the Bungles would play horribly but look decent their last 4 games so they were always the “sleeper” pick for next year – but they’d end up sucking again.

    With Lowe, the problem isn’t talent. It’s his approach to his team. Why don’t his teams play w/ this kind of desperation in December and January?

    You realize that in 5 years, he’s only had one team do well in the 1st half of the ACC season…year 2 when he went 4-4. We always get it together at the end and play a tolerable level of basketball that could get us on the bubble if only we’d play’d that way earlier in the year. We did that last year, the year before and his 1st year.

  3. wolfonthehill 02/24/2011 at 7:58 PM #

    Sooooo wouldn’t he come here from UTEP if asked?

  4. Scooter 02/24/2011 at 8:20 PM #

    “HOW MANY OF YOU “LOWE HAS GOT TO GO” posters are WILLING to go through another 4 years of NO NCAA or getting beat by Dook or UNC?”

    What’s to say that won’t happen as is? We’ve seen no evidence to convince us that things are heading in the right direction. We just been ticking off numbers in the “L” column.

    God love him, we gave Sidney a chance and he took the job when no-one else would touch it (understandably so, given the mess left by Media Wunderkind). But he’s had half a decade to make it work, and it just isn’t.

  5. Primewolf 02/24/2011 at 8:21 PM #

    Sid’s technical was all he could do at that point. Another sign he is not a great head coach. I never have liked his arm gyrations and constant chattering and pacing. He needs to coach his players in practice. He has always looked out of place as a head coach.

  6. 61Packer 02/24/2011 at 9:15 PM #

    This clip on Tim Floyd shows something that has been absent from Wolfpack basketball for over 20 years- fire and passion from a Wolfpack head coach on the sidelines. Les, Herb and Sidney never showed an ounce of passion on the Wolfpack sidelines; it was like watching the many expressions of Michael Dukakis. I’m simply SICK of Wolfpack coaches who take just about everything the refs throw their way, mainly just pouting.

    For our next coach, please: no more good ‘ole boys, no cerebral types, and no alums. I want our next coach to above all have lots of fire and passion on the sidelines, something we’ve not seen since the V, Sloan, and Case years. Tim Floyd may not be our target, but I’d welcome him after seeing how well he coached at USC, and what a joy to think about having a coach who actually seemed to be bothered by the beatdowns night after night, especially in the ACC.

    Our next two opponents, Georgia Tech and UVA, played in front of seemingly more empty seats than filled ones last night in Atlanta. It was one UGLY game, played in a largly empty arena in front of apathetic fans. And that’s what we’ll most likely see Saturday afternoon when GT comes in: two witless teams full of NBA wannabees, led by two lost and doomed coaches, with no plan whatsoever except to try to get to the basket before the other team and dunk it.

    All this in front of apathetic fans and a Raycom audience. April can’t get here soon enough.

  7. fullmoon1 02/24/2011 at 9:26 PM #

    We did not lose becuase of the refs however that does not mean that they refs in any way called a good game. The refs can easily kill momentum and that they did. After the officiating in last nights game I am seriously considering not watching college ball just like I stopped watching NBA ball. It is more like pro wrasslin than the basketball I grew up watching in the early 80’s from an officiating standpoint. Hand checking. Flopping. Players standing over a player they knocked down cussing them. After hearing of the Tim Floyd thing I thought hell, that flies for a strategy over in Durham and the hole. Officiating in the Flagship Network(formerly the ACC) is nothing less than the mark of Vince Mcmann and the WWF. I was waiting for Zeller to tag his partner on the sidelines to wack someone with a chair.

  8. Astral Rain 02/24/2011 at 10:45 PM #

    We need a coach who is willing to get suspended for calling out the refs to embarass the league, and will recruit players who won’t take crap from anyone.

    Unsure who would be the best fit for that.

  9. swamppack 02/25/2011 at 1:03 AM #

    One more thing concerning the officiating in the ACC and thier favoritism for xarolina. If somebody tells me to quit whining about that favoritism, I generally lose respect for about half of what comes out of thier mouth the rest of the conversation concerning ACC basketball.

    Sure unsux has had some great teams, great players, and great coaches wich made for some great years as bad as I hate to remember that, but thier cause has always been helped by the officiating.

    So in sticking with the thread subject matter, some in-depth analysis by Sid in the post-game news conference about the officiating would have only offended those that are stuck on promoting unx and don’t value the rest of the ACC.

    I know the bias will probably never cease, but somebody has to say it.

  10. Moox 02/25/2011 at 1:39 AM #

    That one cop was a bit too eager to drag the coach from the floor in my opinion. It was simply a verbal altercation, no need to grab a guys shirt and pull for yelling when there was obviously enough parties on both sides to restrain everyone.

  11. camel77 02/25/2011 at 3:23 AM #

    Adventuroo. I agree with What you are saying. The team is playing better and what it needs is more experience and maturity. Sidney is just now in the last few years to get the higher rated recruit. He has two good recruits committed and signed for next year and two committed for the next year and others high on their list (Warren, Graham, etc). With a new coach hire, it would take three or four years to get back to this level. Also with a new coach, if he is not winning in year three, some of you will be calling for a new coach. That is what some of you have been doing with Sidney since year two. You can’t be a successful and
    respected program changing coaches every five years. The reason UNC and Duke have been so successful for so long is that they have had continuity at coach for
    a long period of time.

    To all you fans out there saying that we are seeing the end of year better playing over and over, we are starting to get higher quality recruits. It would be nice to see what these freshmen do with a year experience and some good upperclassman leadership. I think Wood and CJ Williams would be good leaders.

  12. swamppack 02/25/2011 at 9:02 AM #

    With three top recruits and a nucleus from last year already in place, what happened this year? We have great talent on the floor just begging for a coach capable of utilizing that talent.

    Is Lowe supposed to be developing as a D1 college coach? Would someone be that flagrant as to insist that it’s o.k. to still be in this shape after 5 years; just WTNY, he’ll bring it all together. Yeh, right.

    Do people just love to ignore history and not learn from it?

  13. VaWolf82 02/25/2011 at 9:19 AM #

    You can’t be a successful and respected program changing coaches every five years. The reason UNC and Duke have been so successful for so long is that they have had continuity at coach for a long period of time.

    I agree

    Signed,
    Matt Doherty

  14. packplantpath 02/25/2011 at 9:23 AM #

    “With a new coach hire, it would take three or four years to get back to this level.”

    Holy crap, so, if we fire our coach we might suck next year too? I would certainly hate to set us back or anything….

    “he reason UNC and Duke have been so successful for so long is that they have had continuity at coach for
    a long period of time.”

    Seriously? Do people actually read what they write? No, they are successful because they have GOOD coaches. Dear lord man, we had HWSNBN for how long again? We certainly were not good during that time period. Average at best as evidenced by our record against above average teams.

  15. swamppack 02/25/2011 at 11:36 AM #

    “Signed,
    Matt Doherty” A+

    “Average at best as evidenced by our
    record against above average teams.” A+

  16. DFMo 02/25/2011 at 12:06 PM #

    Why is there always this thought that it takes years to take over a program, “get your own guys in there”, get competitive and start working towards a tourney bid? Sure there are plenty of coaches that can’t do it but there are also plenty of examples of those that have. Its a crap shoot but getting the right coach will improve your odds and that’s why most coaching changes are made.

    Clemson and BC have new coaches this year and they are competitive in year 1 and in the thick of things in the middle of the (soft) ACC. Will they take those teams to greater heights and the tourney? Time will tell but they did not fall to the basement just because they got new coaches who aren’t yet coaching “their guys”.

  17. BladenWolf 02/25/2011 at 2:19 PM #

    ADVENTUROO and camel77 –

    ^HOW MANY OF YOU “LOWE HAS GOT TO GO” posters are WILLING to go through another 4 years of NO NCAA or getting beat by Dook or UNC?

    Your logic does not compute. Lowe is 24-53 in ACC play in five seasons. Let that marinate in your mind a little. You really want another year of that? I watched Sidney Lowe as our PG my freshman year – 1983! I love me some Sid as a player but he is simply not the Head Coach that we need. Don’t confuse the two.

    ^^To all you fans out there saying that we are seeing the end of year better playing over and over, we are starting to get higher quality recruits. It would be nice to see what these freshmen do with a year experience and some good upperclassman leadership.

    Saying a new coach will automatically lose or that players will automatically be competitive with another year of experience or may bolt for the NBA has no basis in reality. What player exactly will be so misguided as to think they are ready for that next level? If players improve it is because of the coaching staff. As mentioned in posts above, BC and Clemson have new coaches and arguably less talented players but are head and shoulders above where we are right now.

  18. MISTA WOLF 02/25/2011 at 5:04 PM #

    I’d donate my left nut if we could get Tom Crean to come coach in Raleigh.

  19. MISTA WOLF 02/25/2011 at 5:05 PM #

    He’s the only coach I would want to be on our sidelines.

  20. PoppaJohn 02/25/2011 at 8:50 PM #

    I am absolutely astounded that anyone would consider promoting another year with Sid. What could we possibly gain?

    We have seen the year in / year out pattern of it taking 20+ games before the team starts playing together. That’s a lack of the coach’s ability to prepare his team. Notice how Duke starts fast every year? Those early season wins are the ones that end up putting you over the hump when on the bubble. That pattern started year one and has repeated itself five times.

    His repeated refrain, “If I only had players to play uptempo and if I had a competent point guard…” – Well he has that this year, but the product on the floor is remarkably similar in results.

    “The players make bad decisions” has been another annual refrain. We should expect a coach to identify and correct that problem.

    Perhaps I’ve missed it, but I believe even the national media (the “should’ve kept Herb guys”) aren’t suggesting Sid’s the answer.

    I love Sid. He is a great guy, everyone agrees. I cherish an autographed copy of the Sports Illustrated he, Derek and Thurl were on after the ’83 run. But he is not ready to coach in the ACC.

  21. Wolfman 9806 02/26/2011 at 12:37 AM #

    “HOW MANY OF YOU “LOWE HAS GOT TO GO” posters are WILLING to go through another 4 years of NO NCAA or getting beat by Dook or UNC?”

    What the hell does that mean? We are going to lose to UNC or Duke for the next four years anyway with Sid. In case you haven’t been paying attention, they have been thoroughly kicking our ass and we haven’t shown any signs of improvement.

    And yes, if you hire coaches of the caliber of Herb and Sid, then you are going to be making a cahnge every five years or so. Comparing them to either Roy or Coach K doesn’t even make sense.

  22. camel77 02/26/2011 at 11:29 AM #

    swamp pack. Coach K first few years where not all that great until the class of Dawkins, Alarie, Blias, Henderson, and one other came in 1983. All of these guys where their state player of the year. They had a losing record their freshmen year, got a little better their Sophmore year ( made the NIT), made the NCAA as Juniors, and won the ACC tournament and made the finals of the NCAA. What I am saying it took getting his players in and having decent classes after that. It wasn’ t as hard for Coach K to recruit then because he wasn’t going against two highly successful coaches like Lowe is having to do now. It has taken Sidney longer to start to get these type of classes but the last two have been good and he has some good prospects with State high on their list. A coaching change will break the momentum and will take at least a couple of years to get back.

  23. VaWolf82 02/26/2011 at 12:17 PM #

    A coaching change will break the momentum and will take at least a couple of years to get back.

    There are no guarantees, but there have been any number of coaching changes where this did not happen. I am going to hope that State’s next coach is able to bring instant improvement to Wolfpack basketball. You are of course free to hope for anything that you would like.

  24. otisthetowndrunk 02/26/2011 at 1:36 PM #

    It’ll take 4 or 5 years for the next coach to gets us up into the bottom third of the ACC? We are so solidly ahead of Wake Forest this year, I sure don’t want to lose all this momentum we have going.

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