ESPN Blog: NC State tailor-made for Tubby(Updated Tubby entry – 3:15 pm)

Updated at 3:15 pm:

Apparently Eamonn Brennan of College Basketball Nation Blog hasn’t gotten the memo from the national talking heads yet. He thinks one of the best coaches of the last 20 years might actually be a realistic target for NC State:

Smith is clearly frustrated, and with good reason; 2010-11 is the second-straight promising Gophers season derailed by injuries and personnel woes, from Nolen to starting guard Devoe Joseph, who surprised Minnesota with a midseason transfer in January. But do his quotes say something larger about his desire to leave Minneapolis this offseason? There are always rumblings around Smith — he was one of many candidates rumored to be in the picture at Oregon last summer — and the impending job openings at Georgia Tech and NC State would seem tailor-made for him if he decided to leave.

What’s more, no less reliable a source than our own Doug Gottlieb is already hearing the rumor-mill murmurs about Smith’s potential departure:

The hottest chatter in coaching news is the speculation that Tubby Smith will be on the move this offseason. Three different head coaches told me the coaching fraternity is abuzz over whether Georgia Tech will buy out Paul Hewitt (reportedly in excess of $5 million dollars) and land Smith.

We have plenty of time to await that news. In the meantime, one thing is clear: Smith isn’t happy. The extent of that unhappiness — whether it’s reserved to this year’s team, or involves his program and situation at large — will be one of the more intriguing stories in what should be an otherwise quiet rumor mill this spring.

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Monday Morning’s initial entry:

Below is the latest report on Tubby Smith’s status beyond this season at Minnesota. Smith has been discussed behind the scenes by the authors of Statefansnation as one of the top, realistic potential hires for NC State. He has previously been tied to Debbie Yow as a replacement for Gary Williams two years ago. Also, he and his family have strong reasons to get back to the south with family in Maryland, Virginia, and Florida. Tubby played college basketball at High Point University where he also met his wife. One of his first coaching jobs was a high school job in Hoke County, NC.

Finishing his career at Minnesota makes very little sense for his family(at least to us) and Minnesota is nowhere near building the practice facility that was promised to him when he took the job. The funding isn’t even close to in place yet. Smith turns 60 years old this year. He probably has 5-8 years left in his career and he needs to make the jump sooner rather than later as his age will become more of a factor in landing his last high-major opportunity.

One source has indicated that one of the openings he would be interested in going into the season was NC State.

Sources have told ESPN’s Doug Gottlieb that Tubby Smith will leave Minnesota after this season.

There’s some speculation over whether Georgia Tech will buy out the remainder of Paul Hewitt’s contract and land Smith.

The Gophers are 17-11 overall and 6-10 in the Big Ten.

Via Doug Gottlieb/ESPN.com

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131 Responses to ESPN Blog: NC State tailor-made for Tubby(Updated Tubby entry – 3:15 pm)

  1. uknz27 02/28/2011 at 11:17 PM #

    The beauty of this discussion is that a consensus here has no bearing on the actual hire. So, I will simply offer my thoughts:
    As a State fan, I would only be happy with a coach if he won an ACC title. Or to hedge, if he failed to do this and won an NCAA title instead.
    So, do I think that Tubby could do this? No. I think he would be a safe, risk-minimizing hire. State would be solid, competitive, but not a title contender.
    Therefore, I think State should go high-risk (I’ve stated I think we should go young) it might go terribly wrong, but what does State have to lose? We already lean on ancient history as it is. It could just go fantastically right.

  2. choppack1 02/28/2011 at 11:20 PM #

    ThomYorke – yes it would. Now, if you look at how chilly it got for TOB after last year and after the Clemson game this year, you’ll see what you have to look forward to w/ the Tubby Smith era.

    He’s got a track record:
    His teams will defend (much better than Lowe’s and better than Sendek’s.
    His teams will be tough(much toughter than Lowe’s and toughter than Sendek’s).
    His teams probably will be pedestrian offensively.
    He may not recruit that well.
    Heck, his first year, I could see us doing VERY well. I could see us doing very well his second year.
    You’ll probably see the returns start to diminish after year 3 of Tubby ball.

    As a result, if Tubby is hired – can we go ahead and vow to do the following:
    *Promise not to complain when we don’t sign a lot of McD AA’s.
    *Promise not to complain about the ugly offense.
    *Promise not to complain about being on the “bubble”.

    Look, there are concerns about Tubby Smith. They are legimate concerns based on the struggles that he’s had at UK and what’s happening this year at Minnesota. From a PR standpoing – and short term – I think it’s a great hire.

    Long term, I’m not sure he’s the answer. But I’d much rather have next year w/ him than next year w/ Lowe. And as far as next year goes there’s only a couple coaches in the country that I think would do better out of the gate.

  3. JeremyH 02/28/2011 at 11:31 PM #

    Does he have reason to come here, rather than GT (if the buyout occurs)?
    GT only has to compete with Georgia for recruits.

  4. eas 02/28/2011 at 11:49 PM #

    Too bad Patino is super wealthy at the LV. Everybody needs a coach in a Scarface white suit.

    Tubby would be a fine hire by me. Sure I would rather have a young coach willing to stay but that’s not likely. Everyone wants a raise and young coaches are smart with their resume these days. Success means $ signs and opportunities. Loyalty is thin these days even when you poney up money to keep them. Shoot big secretly and miss secretly. However, land someone who can bring immediate impact and chemistry.

    I would also love to keep SID on staff but that is not a good plan. If your boss gets fired he doesn’t usually take another position under someone. If they do it is only to stay employed long enough to find something else.

    I would say a hire is more likely to come in April than March…..

  5. Pack1998 02/28/2011 at 11:49 PM #

    Men, this is like scoring that super hot cougar we all always gawked at.

    Anyone saying this would be a bad hire is nuts, and you need to move out of you mom’s basement. 5 years ago we think Rick Barnes hung the moon and now we are too good to consider a guy like Tubby, even saying Marshall would be a better hire. Let me tell you friends, that is crazy speak. Just go drink your beer and move to wall you flower.

    Consider this. . . if Tubby has the basketball bounce differently or the refs call it his way a few times during some of the elite 8 games while at Kentucky we’re probably all saying Tubby is one of the best coaches in the game now. Why the hell is this guy wasting his coaching life a Minn is a mystery, that’s a hockey score.

    Check his stats, they are ridiculous:
    – .712-ish win percentage
    – 1 NCAA Title
    – 9 times advanced to the Sweet 16 in a 20 year career (That is 45% of his career)
    – 7 times reg season conference champion
    – Went 16-0 in the SEC in 2003.
    – Year 3 and 4 at Tulsa won conference title (then left)
    – Had Georgia in Sweet 16 year year 1.
    – Took over a crappy Minn team and had them in the NCAA year 2. (Did I mention Minn is a hockey school?)

    Tubby would be a great, great hire . . . All he does is win.

    I will admit, my “hope” hire was Donovan, but I know we can never get him. Hell, we can’t even get Miller anymore because he is locked up.

    If you “can” get Tubby you grab him, especially if he is truly excited about the job. And for Tubby’s sake, he left UK on a down note, Minn is a tough place to sustain unless Canada picks up b-ball in a big way, so going to the ACC makes a lot of sense. He has to have some fire in his belly to make a few more deep runs in the NCAA and win a few ACCs.

    And Yow is high IQ, probably thinking a few moves ahead as she can’t get Miller now . . . The concept of having Tubby as a “stop gap” is a great move. After Tubby we could be back on the map in a real way.

  6. eas 03/01/2011 at 12:06 AM #

    ^ Yep

  7. mak4dpak 03/01/2011 at 12:11 AM #

    Sorry guys, but just not on the Tubby bandwagon. Would like a younger coach with an established record, who will be around, lest we are again searching in a few years. Randy Bennett of Saint Marys, Dave Rose of BYU, Shaun Miller of Arizona, just to mention a few, that have been quite successful, with lesser talent than we pocess. We could keep them for many years before we are back searching again. We don’t need just a quick fix! Again my favorite would be Randy Bennett, whose teams are always tops in offense nationally. In 10 years he has had 9 20+ win seasons, and with lesser talent, and has been in the NCAA, and deep in the tournament last year.

  8. TomCat 03/01/2011 at 12:20 AM #

    Some folks act as if you simply can pluck proven winning coaches out of trees. Our track record and the track record of college basketball clearly dispells that myth. There are hundreds of college basketball programs all striving for the same thing, all wanting to win at the highest level with consistency. There is no one magic path. If you have a proven winning coach at your disposal — you take him. You worry about the translating that coach’s success to the predecessor when that problem arrives…. whether it’s 5, 10 years or otherwise. After the past decade, would be a heck of a problem to have. I’ll take it. Sometimes we just need to get out of our way… and let success happen.

  9. Pack1998 03/01/2011 at 12:25 AM #

    ^Hey, I understand not being on the bandwagon . . . I was NOT initially at all. .. but after I checked his stats and thought about who we’ve been at NC State as a b-ball program for 20 years I changed my mind. I like the sure thing with Tubbby, especially if he is excited. This would be a huge pull. Too much risk with one of those other mid-major guys when you get a sure thing.

  10. Astral Rain 03/01/2011 at 3:19 AM #

    I’d be fine with tubby- but I’d rather have Gregg Marshall or Randy Bennett. (Yes, I know he’s Cali-based, but his results are too good to ignore, in a conference with Gonzaga in it.)

  11. MattN 03/01/2011 at 6:54 AM #

    As far as I know, Minnesota has not acomplished ANYTHING in my lifetime without significant cheating (Clem Haskins, I’m looking at you.) The fact that Tubby walked right in and virtualy overnight made them into an NCAA-qualifying team is all anyone really needs.

    There is no way anyone can convincingly argue that Tubby would not be a fairly significant upgrade in coaching talent.

  12. Wulfpack 03/01/2011 at 7:47 AM #

    Both sides have compelling arguments for and against Tubby. Regardless, no one can deny he’d be a monumental upgrade over what we currently have and have had in the past 20 years. So if we can get Tubby, then go and get him TODAY. I don’t care about Sid’s feelings at this stage. He knows he’s gone at the end of the season. You know it. I know it. He knows it.

    If it’s not in the cards for us and he’s already a done deal at GT, then we need to start looking at some of the B list guys. Face it, Barnes, Wright, Dixon, Miller aren’t coming here.

    I’d like to see us speak to Mike Brey. But he has ND rolling and I don’t see him leaving there at this point. I’d also like to see us talk to Kevin Stallings, but again, I doubt he leaves Vandy for us. It’s a sad day when NCSU basketball is down the line as compared to programs like ND and Vandy. But it is the truth. Now we aren’t far off IF we can just hire a good coach for a change.

    We need a program builder. I’m all for a guy like Marshall or Randy Bennett. I’m not saying either of those are necessarily “better” than Tubby or anyone else. I just think they’d each bring unbridled energy to succeed.

  13. PackerInRussia 03/01/2011 at 8:03 AM #

    “Am I the only one on here who thinks there’s still a chance that Low will get one more season? ”

    No, but it seems that there are very few. If Lee Fowler were still here, I’d think there would be a reasonable chance that he comes back, but that’s the only way he could come back I think.

  14. PackerInRussia 03/01/2011 at 8:04 AM #

    Concerning keeping Lowe around to recruit, perhaps we could just pay him illegally to go out and get a few top recruits every year. I hear that kind of thing is OK because everyone is doing it.

  15. Tau837 03/01/2011 at 9:24 AM #

    Saw the question posed at another board which job is better — State or Georgia Tech. My first thought was how far State has fallen to even cause someone to ask that. My second thought was to solicit opinions here on comparing the two jobs, assuming both Hewitt and Lowe are gone after the season.

  16. JT 03/01/2011 at 9:36 AM #

    I will say I’m glad Smith has replaced Barnes as the coach of choice; Barnes is WAY overrated. All things equal, as the season has progressed and the Pack has pretty much gotten to the level of playing that most realistically expected them to reach earlier on, I’d rather keep Lowe for one final shot than bring in Smith. I hope Yow is putting out feelers for Donovan. Besides him, I’d just as soon keep Lowe with this group. And I hope Leslie returns now that the switch has turned on- he has talent but is SO unpolished. This could be a special group, and Lowe has them playing now, even if it may be too late for him.

  17. JasonP 03/01/2011 at 9:41 AM #

    Hewitt’s definitely gone – 99.99% sure. No job-saving recruiting class and slim chances for a deep tourney run this season. I’d still be surprised if they had the money to both buy out the golden goose $5 Million Hewitt contract and THEN hire a big name coach like Tubby. I know they’re Nike and all, but they’re also paying Paul Johnson. That Nike contract would have to kick into overdrive to motivate Tubby to move there. Stranger things have happened, but I see them going the mid-major/lower tier major conference coach route.

    If our next coach is Tubby, then I’m fine with that. Accepting the job at State would prove he still has the fire to compete.

    Actually, thinking about it more, taking the GT job would be a lot of pressure. They’d be paying Tubby big $$$ and the fanbase would be all too aware of the huge Hewitt buyout. If there’s no immediate success – like conference tourney finals, NCAA runs, big time recruits – then things would go sour quickly.

  18. codebrown 03/01/2011 at 9:49 AM #

    I don’t know about that JasonP. I think taking 2-3 mil a year and going to GT would be a better option for Tubby. He wouldn’t have to recruit too hard in ATL. Talents fall off of the trees there. He also doesn’t have to beat the Tarholes and Dookies to stay employed.

  19. eas 03/01/2011 at 9:49 AM #

    I would say NCSU would still be more of a lure than GT. However, GT will prolly be willing to pay more and that creates a whole new bonus.

    Money being equal = slight nudge to NCSU
    GT paying more = GT better gig

    If State plans on landing a top coach then they better be prepared to pay and bid against other schools. That’s the way it is.

    Can’t believe that GT vs NCSU for a better job is a legitimate question BUT it is.

  20. Tau837 03/01/2011 at 9:53 AM #

    Given State and GT may very well be competing for some of the some coaches, I think a comparison of the two jobs would be an excellent topic for an entire post.

  21. JasonP 03/01/2011 at 10:02 AM #

    Regarding talent falling off of trees in ATL – IIRC Cremins built the GT program with players from NYC – Salley, Anderson, Marbury – or players from Maryland – Anderson, Jack, Scott. None of his AA’s were from ATL.

    If there’s tons of talent in ATL then they’re going other places outside of GT and UGA.

    He didn’t exactly leave the cupboard bare for Hewitt either. Hewitt’s successor, on the other hand, will have to do some rebuilding.

  22. packalum44 03/01/2011 at 10:06 AM #

    I think Tubby is a better fit at GA Tech, simply because he wouldn’t have to recruit too hard there.

  23. packalum44 03/01/2011 at 10:09 AM #

    Jason if you look to more recent years, ATL is LOADED to the gills with talent. Its unreal. For someone that doesn’t like to recruit, I’d have to imagine that this would be appealing as it would make the worst part of your job more bearable.

  24. Wolfy__79 03/01/2011 at 11:01 AM #

    honestly and i hate to say this but GT is a more attractive gig for tubby. not all coaches. he’s in the acc but not overshadowed by being on tobacco road. i think there is more talent around in ga as mentioned earlier than those nc kids he could get.

    i think he will do a good job wherever he is coaching, especially in the acc. he’s at a school that is/was willing to pay him but haven’t fully commited to winning basketball f.e. fahcilities.

    the details of if he is the right hire are a little out of my league.. i just know he will win. i don’t care much for the concept of him grooming his son for coaching.. i personally feel he should send his son out into the world to a mid major. it really went wrong with bob knight & son.

    i do keep coming back to the idea that we would be best served with a middle aged coach (hopefully not too young) that can step right in and compete/learn to compete..beat duke. i don’t really worry with unc as much as duke.. they are the standard to me. <-regardless of who.. be in the top three every year and win 1 of 3. that's my simple formula for success. it may take some time to get to that point.. but in year 3-4 that's what i want to see.

    i also feel that young or old, the contract should be no longer than five years with great compensation points as a guide. if young, give him 4 years to win the acc, old 3!

  25. Wolfy__79 03/01/2011 at 11:06 AM #

    ^however, the right coach will not even think its being overshadowed but an oppurtunity!!.. if i were interviewing, that’s one thing i would look to check off on the list of abilities..

    a nail in the coffin for sid.. at the acc preseason event he spoke of
    “having to play” roy and k twice a year. it’s the wrong attitude, an excuse.. that would be exactly what i don’t want to hear or have translated to the players.. which has happened. ..

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