Gold and Ovies Interview Julius Hodge and defend NC State; Sendek should want his job back at NC State

Adam Gold and Joe Ovies had a great interview with Julius Hodge yesterday afternoon.

Link to interview with Julius Hodge.

Also, please read this great column from Adam Gold on NC State’s basketball team.

I have to give Gold and Ovies credit for defending NC State. A moron called in yesterday and made the same, tired, baseless argument that you can only be so good with Duke and UNC so close and that we should want to hire Herb Sendek back. Gold and Ovies called him out immediately and essentially cut him off. If that statement had any truth to it, then Sendek would have immediately started winning at a higher rate at ASU because it is a much, much further distance from Chapel Hill and Durham.

As poorly as Sidney Lowe has done at NC State in his 4.5 seasons, this is how Lowe’s and Sendek’s records compare:

Sendek – 85-62
Lowe – 82-67
Sendek’s last 5 seasons at NC State – 105-58

In Sendek’s 5th season, the Sun Devils are 9-7 and 1-3 in the Pac 10. Sidney has NC State at 11-5 and 1-1 in the ACC. It is likely that Lowe could actually have a higher overall winning percentage by the end of the season, his best single season overall and the ACC in his 5th season which would mean the program is on an upward trend while ASU is spiraling backwards since Sendek’s 3nd season, and still Sidney could be fired as the head coach at NC State. While Sendek would likely be safe for at least another year because because his real market value in the world of college basketball was judged to fit a program with lower expectations than NC State.

If being close to UNC and Duke is such an enormous obstacle for an NC State head coach, then:

a. why are Sendek’s results worse than those he achieved at NC State in his last 5 seasons now that he has escaped the mean, evil NC State fans and moved to Arizona?

and:

b. why is Sendek winning at a similar rate to Sidney Lowe who some think is one of the worst coaches in the history of NC State, maybe one of the worst coaches in the history of the ACC, and who coaches so close to Duke and UNC which to some is the most difficult obstacle in all of sports? They both had massive rebuilding jobs.

The last 4.5 years show exactly how the NC State head coaching position is actually an outstanding opportunity. The records of Sendek and Lowe show that a large part of Sendek’s success was actually the resources, fan support, financial support, facilities, location, school, conference affiliation, etc…that were at Sendek’s disposal during his 10 years in Raleigh. Sendek is the same coach today that he was 5 years ago at NC State. In fact, he is likely a better coach today because he has more experience and his reputation has grown. So what changed when he went to Arizona St. especially when you consider he is no longer facing Duke and UNC and coaching in the same area code as Coach K and Roy?

He is at Arizona St. He is working from a different platform with fewer resources. That is all that has changed.

I think Sendek is a significantly better college basketball coach than Sidney Lowe. It isn’t even close. However, NC State’s resources to win have boosted Lowe’s results to the same level as a much better basketball coach at a lessor program like Sendek and ASU respectively. If we get any ASU readers, then please don’t take this as a criticism of ASU. The comments on their message boards make similar points about the lack of upside in their basketball program. While Sendek is a solid basketball coach, he didn’t raise the ceiling of NC State basketball and eventually became unpopular because he never came close to the ceilings established by 3 different coaches in 4 different decades. Sendek has a chance to hit the ceilings of the ASU program, however it is debatable at this point whether he is the type of coach who can actually take ASU to a higher level. Isn’t that the goal afterall?

All of this proves that location relative to other top basketball programs has very little to do with your actual success as a basketball coach. If it is a factor at all(I would argue that it isn’t), then it is at best very minor. NC State’s location in one of the fastest growing metro areas in the country and one of the highest rated places to live in the entire country is actually a huge asset to an NC State basketball coach. Essentially, NC State’s location was one of the reasons Sendek made the now famous 5 straight NCAA tournaments at NC State. He had Raleigh to sell when convincing the players that made up those teams to come to NC State. Not to mention that Raleigh is drivable from almost any area on the east coast that an NC State coach would recruit. Sendek now has those factors working against him at ASU. Not that ASU isn’t in a great area, but the distances to potential recruiting territories are great.

Sendek was largely hired by ASU based on his accomplishment of making 5 straight NCAA tournaments at NC State. It makes sense from ASU’s perspective. Hire a guy who has accomplished something recently that is outstanding relative to your own recent results and hope that translates into the new coach accomplishing similar results with your program permanently raising your ceiling. The miscalculation on ASU’s part was that while 5 straight NCAAs sounds good for a program like ASU, it was in fact not that significant of an accomplishment relative to the history of the program that Sendek coached.

Hiring Sendek would have been similar to NC State hiring Steve Lavin formerly of UCLA and now at St. Johns. Lavin had a very good record relative to former NC State coaches, but it actually represented underachieving for a coach at UCLA which is one of the top jobs in all of college basketball. So why would NC State want to hire a coach who underachieved in his former job? What are the chances that a previous underachieving coach is going to overachieve and permanently raise the ceiling of your program? The only reason to have hired Lavin is because he would have likely done better than Sidney Lowe. The same questions can now be asked about the strategy of Arizona St. hiring Herb Sendek.

None of this commentary is intended as a knock on Sendek. However, I wonder if eventually someone in the media will finally make the point that just maybe Sendek should want his job back at NC State. Or at least at a program with the resources to win that exist at NC State. He is certainly available and there are certainly better jobs with bigger opportunities in better locations. Yet, nobody has even attempted to pluck Sendek from the desert.

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64 Responses to Gold and Ovies Interview Julius Hodge and defend NC State; Sendek should want his job back at NC State

  1. NCStatePride 01/14/2011 at 9:02 AM #

    ^The fact that Lowe has not produced with the talent he’s recruited should not be taken to mean high-powered recruiting is not important to success. It just means there is more to it than recruiting.

  2. Lunatic Fringe 01/14/2011 at 1:59 PM #

    My point is that Sendek & Lowe have been able to recruit at NC State. I think their are some advantages to being a coach at NC State, not all negatives like media would have you believe, so I think a decent recruiter can get the players that are needed to be successful at NC State.

    I would much rather have, what we have not had in the last 2-3 coaches, is a great game day coach.

    I honestly think we put WAY TOO much emphasis on “recruiting” over actually coaching. It does not mean that I don’t want a coach that is good at both, but I would prefer one that is a great game day coach first and foremost.

  3. Conrad 01/14/2011 at 3:04 PM #

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    16 yrs before Lowe got here we were only able to bring 2 Mc Donalds All Americans recruits. Whereas Lowe in 5 yrs has already manage to recruit 4 in Hickson, CJ Leslie, Brown, Harrow. So if you believe that coaching is more important than having talent Sendek would still be here. But that should be expected when 45 % of the team productions is coming from true freshman & 25 % Sr. T. Smith, 10 % sop. Wood. Leaving the other 20 % to be divided up between Howell, Painter, CJ William, Gonz.

    NCStatePride: We won’t have any personal attacks on this site. If you want to openly criticize individuals or demean the information they bring to the table, there are plenty of other blogs for that sort of thing.

  4. Rick 01/14/2011 at 3:11 PM #

    “I honestly think we put WAY TOO much emphasis on “recruiting” over actually coaching. It does not mean that I don’t want a coach that is good at both, but I would prefer one that is a great game day coach first and foremost.”
    I feel the same way you do. Many people seem to think you get the best players and roll out the ball. It is far more than that.

  5. NCStatePride 01/14/2011 at 3:18 PM #

    Conrad, I think you are overlooking the lack of results NC State has had under Lowe with his highly acclaimed recruits. JJ Hickson was an amazing recruit, and he did little for the program overall.

  6. Lunatic Fringe 01/14/2011 at 4:13 PM #

    Sendek was a great game day coach? Really?!? I know Sidney’s mistakes are fresher in the mind, but go read the the ASU board for a couple weeks and those frightening memories will come rushing back.

    I am pretty sure Sendek had 3 McDs – Scooter Sherill, Julius Hodge, & Brandon Costner.

    Georgia Tech is a perfect example of how recruiting is not enough. Hewitt has brought in (since 2002) 26 players averaging 4.0 (scout rankings). He has had 7 5-star players play for him and has been 152-122 (55% winning %) in that timespan.

  7. rtpack24 01/14/2011 at 4:42 PM #

    Sid has brought in two McDonald AA’s Hickson and Leslie, neither Brown or Harrow were McDonald AA’s. Recruiting has to be about the whole team year end and out, not just signing 5 star players.

  8. Wolfy__79 01/14/2011 at 4:44 PM #

    i want the best coach first and a close second is above average recruiting. coaching is more important by all means in all levels of basketball, but talent is a good equalizer.

  9. Wolfy__79 01/14/2011 at 4:45 PM #

    someone said rick. barnes..

    i’ll add vinny! delnergo!

  10. Wolfy__79 01/14/2011 at 4:47 PM #

    ^del negro

  11. mak4dpak 01/14/2011 at 5:27 PM #

    Not lookin good with the next opponent, (FSU), then Duke. As a player, and person Lowe, gets kudos from me, but coaching is a whole nother ball game. When the season is over, it is time to put up, or shut up. If we want success there is a price to pay. We courted Calipari, and others before hiring Lowe. But we didn’t have an AD who knew how to bring to the table, to get what we needed. But we certainly don’t need anymore former State athletes, as coaches, in any sport. It just has not worked out. Examples: Amato, Lowe. Too bad we have to wait til next year, because this season again doesn’t look too promising. I guess we have found out, even with great talent, without great coaching, it doesn’t work. I am sure Sid can find a good job in the NBA, as an assistant coach.

  12. Wolfy__79 01/14/2011 at 5:42 PM #

    ^a calipari would destroy what little we have. taking alumni is very difficult, amato with all his flaws did well at first! he definetly didn’t work out and it appears Sidney isn’t either. rick barnes on the other hand recruits and is a good coach! are things even close to being stagnant enough for him to shake it up? doubtful! my argument for del negro would be his youth and results thus far in his head coaching career. he’s the only alumnus i would consider if i were on the buying committee.

  13. mak4dpak 01/15/2011 at 11:44 AM #

    I did say we courted Calipari and others. So we didn’t have to hire Calipari, just not Lowe. As for destroying what we have, you can’t be talking about the team. He has been successful as a coach, losing several players from last year, and yet back with a top 10 team again. Should we compare his coaching record to Sid’s. Not even close. But there are others out there with the same potential at State. Again, just not Lowe.

  14. TomCat 01/16/2011 at 11:33 AM #

    The fact 5 years later we are still justifying Herb Sendek’s exit tells me all I need to know. I couldn’t care less about ASU– at all. All I care about is NC State…. and where WE are, TODAY at NC STATE. Shouldn’t that be what we are all worried about?

    You leave one critical element out of your analysis which kills your theory:
    Herb Sendek inherited the botton-of-the-league roster and losing track record of Les Robinson. Sidney Lowe inherited Sendek’s roster which had a consistent track record of earning multiple post season tournaments. Trying to compare what Sendek had to claw up from… (remember the Les Robinson “invitational” game) with the talent Lowe inherited from Sendek is a non-starter. The cooker-cut W/L measurement flawed.

    Sidney Lowe is an INCREDIBLE guy and an incredible Wolfpacker who deserves ultimate respect for stepping up in a very stormy period. He is not a productive college basketball coach and…. while there has been flashes of great recruiting he has not shown the ability to create success on the court.
    5 years in, this is his team entirely. The program is worse than the team which he inherited five years ago. Clearly, it’s time to do what West Virginia University just did– in football.

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