Pack rolls 111-73; Freshman trio score 51 points

From J.P. Giglio of the N&O:

As promised, the team played faster and the freshmen trio made quite an impression in the rout at Reynolds Coliseum.

Lorenzo Brown, Ryan Harrow and C.J. Leslie each scored 17 points in the Wolfpack’s final warm-up before the regular season starts on Friday.

“We’ve been waiting for this a long time,” said Harrow, who added a team-best eight assists off the bench. “It’s pretty crazy that we all scored 17 points.”

Not only did the freshman score almost half of NC State’s points, but they also contributed 16 of our 26 assists(Harrow 8, Brown 6) while only committing 5 turnovers(Brown 4, Harrow 1). It was Pfeiffer and the real tests come later in November and December, however there was a noticeable increase in overall talent on the court last night. While the freshman were each outstanding, the veterans didn’t disappoint either. Scott Wood went 4 for 9 from behind the arc to finish with 14 points, Tracy Smith added 17 points, and Richard Howell corralled 10 rebounds. Even C.J. Williams played well in the 2nd half giving the Pack a 6th player in double figures.

Initially Lorenzo Brown’s size, fluidity, skills and athleticism stood as he got off to a quick start with a couple of 3’s and an alley oop dunk. However, Ryan Harrow was near perfect on the night(his 1 turnover was an offensive foul). His ability to penetrate and then score or dish is rare…floaters in traffic, bank shots from tough angles, or passes to open teammates for easy scores. He did it all as he continued to show the type of instincts and ability to read plays before they happen.

Lowe’s team had never once broken the century mark in his previous 4 years at NC State. Here is an interesting stat from Gopack:

A smiling Lowe talked extensively about his team’s up-tempo style, a break from his first four years when the Pack broke the 90-point barrier just two times in 133 regular-season and postseason games.

Game summary from Gopack

Sidney Lowe, Leslie, and Harrow interviews here.

-Box score

10-11 Basketball NC State Sidney Lowe

68 Responses to Pack rolls 111-73; Freshman trio score 51 points

  1. PTOWOLF 11/10/2010 at 11:26 AM #

    Starting is overrated in basketball except in regards to team chemistry. From the day he walked on campus, Corchiani was clearly the best point guard and V knew it. If my memory is correct, Quinten Jackson was a senior and started for the first seven or so games. V didn’t want to give the job to Corch over the veteran. He wanted him to take it. Once Harrow proves to his veteran teammates that he is the best in practice and in games, he should get the start. Monroe never started because he was behind a very good senior player, DelNegro.

  2. jbpackfan 11/10/2010 at 11:30 AM #

    Leslie is just too talented to not start… eventually. I think you’ll see Wood start some games at the beginning of the season, while Leslie gets acclimated to the college game, but I think C.J. will be a starter soon.

    From the limited amount I saw last night, Harrow looks too good and is too productive to play behind Javi. Javi is a solid, experienced player, but Harrow is special. I expect Harrow will play more minutes at point than Javi and will also eventually start.

  3. Daily Update 11/10/2010 at 11:33 AM #

    As far as Leslie’s play last night, IMO he got lucky. He was lucky to make 2 threes that were both poor shots. Instead of giving the ball up to guards after rebounds, he brought the ball up the court himself and cluttered the middle of lane on the break. He made an acrobatic reverse layup on a 1 vs. 2 break and scored on three dunks that won’t be as easy to get against better competition.

    Great, great talent. But I doubt all the things that came together for him last night will do so consistently enough this year to be able to play small forward as a true freshman. Might he start at either the 4 or 5 later in the year? I think that is more likely than taking Wood’s spot.

    Wood last night? Took open, quality shots and made a high percentage from behind the arc. Didn’t force anything. Knows his role. 3 rebs and 3 assists in addition to his 14 points. Played good defense. Wood can repeat that performance almost any night…you know what you are going to get.

    I might change my opinion as the season progresses, but that is just how I see it pre-Jan against teams like Gtown, Wisconsin, Cuse, and Zona.

  4. jbpackfan 11/10/2010 at 11:35 AM #

    ^Good points- Leslie can always start at 4. (But if Howell is as good as Lowe has said, Leslie’s best shot to crack the lineup would be at 3.)

  5. bradleyb123 11/10/2010 at 11:52 AM #

    I know this game doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. We usually rout our exhibition opponents, and then we go on to have mediocre or bad seasons. This game doesn’t prove anything different. We could still have another bad season.

    But I will say this. We have some talent on this team. We have depth. I saw passes last night (I was there) that I haven’t seen in a while. Ben MacCauley used to throw some nice passes. Ryan, CJL and Zo all threw some great passes, many were no-look passes. Ryan threw a couple that nearly made my eyes water!

    If this had been a mid-season ACC game against a great team, we might very well have lost. But for a FIRST game, it was good. As good as we looked, there is PLENTY we can improve on. And if we do, we’re going to be SICK good.

    Another thought, that Pfeiffer team could hit some threes. But they only got 73 points because the uptempo game gave them a lot of possessions. Previous State teams would have played more of a half-court game, and held them to fewer points. I think we just wanted to run and show off our offense last night. The defense does need to improve, though. I’m not really concerned about anything at this point. We’ll have to see more before we know what, if any, Achilles Heels we have to be concerned about.

  6. bradleyb123 11/10/2010 at 12:08 PM #

    DU, your criticism of CJL was on. I thought he didn’t always make the right decision. But you can tell the man is going to be a beast. I can see him not doing much, not doing much, then exploding for 8-10 straight points for the Pack. He won’t be kept down long. But at this point, early in his freshman year, he’s not quite the beast I think he’s going to be. He has to make some mistakes now, and learn from them. Because if we noticed these things, you can guarantee the coaches also noticed them. And they are the ones watching game film with these kids and (hopefully) getting them to correct their mistakes.

    I thought there were times we didn’t play well at all last night (just a few lapses here and there). And we still scored 111 points. And we put in the scrubs with two minutes remaining. Like I said, for a first game, this was nice to watch. If this team improves over the course of the season, we’re going to not only win some games, we’re going to be a FUN team to watch.

  7. Conrad 11/10/2010 at 12:08 PM #

    AIpha WoIf, I have to agree with you on Harrow over Gonz at the PG. But after Iast yrs team with Gonz the offensive couId never ran good with him unIess he was shooting the baII good. And even then that was not good enough to win more games then they Iost. But for this team to be reaIIy good they are going to need a quaIity fIoor Ieader at the PG. Thats Harrow any day over Gonz.

  8. baxter 11/10/2010 at 12:09 PM #

    as far as wood in comparison to those top 5, can we get attempts on there? Just curious to see his percentage compared to relative attempts by each as well. I feel like Wood is very streaky, but again, he was a freshmen, and he got locked down on.

    Javi is a natural 2, not a 1, so he will definitely transition more to the 2 as the season goes. Honestly, I don’t know what the big deal is about the starting line up – it was Pfeiffer, the freshmen don’t know the game as well as the vets (Brown has an extra year advantage remember) and so I’m not suprised that Leslie and Harrow came off the bench. They still logged a ton of minutes. If this was an ACC game I think you’ll see them more, but at this point its getting everyone used to the new tempo, figuring out where everyone is schematically, and its going to adjust over the season.

    I do want to see a lineup w/ both CJL and Wood on the floor, hell, maybe we’ll run a hybrid

  9. wvillepack 11/10/2010 at 12:12 PM #

    Let’s see how they (freshman) do against better opponents and if they play good D.

  10. wufpup76 11/10/2010 at 12:13 PM #

    Let’s be thankful we have this much to debate about on personnel …

    I just hope the team works hard, works together, and stays together. Talent and depth can be wonderful things.

    Defense and rebounding … defense and rebounding.

  11. choppack1 11/10/2010 at 12:19 PM #

    Re: the Wood vs. Leslie debate – Wood brings some skills that I think are still really needed on our team. He’s a very good 3 point shooter, he makes good decisions on the basketball court, he’s where he’s suppposed to be on the court, he defends well.

    I think Leslie offers a different skillset. He’s potentially a better defender, rebounder and more likely to create his own shot. However, right now, I suspect that we’re better off w/ Wood on the floor vs. Leslie.

    Unfortunately for Leslie, w/ a young backcourt, and a frontcourt that can’t consistently open up the court with their shot or their dribble – the shooting and decision making factors are just really valuable on this team right now (especially in Lowe’s system where you are generally a “big” or a “shooter”.

    I think both players are versatile and can play at least 2 positions – and I think they can both be on the court at the same time.

    I really see Leslie as our 6th man. We can bring him off the bench and go big, w/ him playing the 3, moving Wood to the 2. We can use him to go smaller and faster – w/ him playing the 4 spot and Smith at the 5.

    Personally, I expect Wood’s shooting % to improve this year. With Harrow @ PG and Brown at the 2 spot – he should be getting better looks. He’s also shown that he can play pretty good in transition – so he can get some easier baskets on fast breaks.

    Regarding Harrow vs. Javi – I think Javi brings some intangibles and toughness. He’s also much more physically developed than Harrow right now. Depending the situation, I can see us leaning on Javi more than Harrow. If a team has a strong, physical guard – I think we’re more likely to go w/ Javi (or Brown). If they have a waterbug type – I think we’ll go w/ Harrow.

    Finally – there’s Brown. I think this guy’s the “X” factor we’ve been needing since Lowe arrived. He can play the one or the two. Evidently, he can do everything you need from these positions. I expect him to be our “MVP” this year. Our halfcourt offense will still leverage Smith and probably flow around him – but if everything I’ve read about Brown is accurate – he gives us the kind of well-rounded basketball skills we’ve needed at the 2 spot since Lowe has arrived.

  12. TheAliasTroll 11/10/2010 at 12:21 PM #

    Rebounding was absolutely atrocious, and against a very small team. Not sure if this is going to be a product of us trying to run run run and nobody stays behind to get the ball or not. Hope that gets nipped in the bud.

    I saw what appeared to be some frustration from CJ Leslie on a missed shot or two, and the very next times he got the ball he heaved up a bad shot. He knows he’s supposed to be the big fish in the class and I hope I wasn’t witnessing ever so slight symptoms of a me first super star mentality.

    Also, IMO, Javi played better defense than Harrow. The team defense overall left something to be desired. I said this last year: we will not be any better if Lowe can’t get the team to play solid defense. Hopefully we improve in this area. As we’ve all seen in recent past, a taste of ACC competition could quickly become demoralizing.

  13. Alpha Wolf 11/10/2010 at 12:24 PM #

    ^ Yep, you HAVE to play solid, fundamentally sound defense if you want to win in the ACC.

    There are too many teams with too much talent and/or playing experience for a young squad to be good without be tough to score against.

  14. Alpha Wolf 11/10/2010 at 12:27 PM #

    From the day he walked on campus, Corchiani was clearly the best point guard and V knew it. If my memory is correct, Quinten Jackson was a senior and started for the first seven or so games. V didn’t want to give the job to Corch over the veteran. He wanted him to take it. Once Harrow proves to his veteran teammates that he is the best in practice and in games, he should get the start.

    This bears repetition. And while the players are different, we can all remember how team chemistry went the last time that Lowe arbitrarily started a frosh player over the incumbent. Let Harrow take it, it will make him better and will make Javi work harder.

  15. Conrad 11/10/2010 at 12:36 PM #

    State fan 1998,You can drop Gonz and HoweII and insert CJ Leslie & Harrow into the starting lineup. So what has Gonz shown you from last yr until now that he is a good enough PG to lead and the offense ? Because he is nothing but a under size 2G that can onIy shot the ball.

  16. howlie 11/10/2010 at 12:40 PM #

    The ‘starter’ at any position makes sense to be the most experienced in college play (NOT the ‘elder’, but they one who’s played more IN college games).
    The only questions are:
    1) WHEN do you bring the less experienced person on the court; &,
    2) HOW LONG do you evaluate how the second person on the court is doing before:
    3) making a determination as to WHICH ONE to play as you go across the rest of the game before:
    4) giving a rest to the most important of the two at that position in THIS game.

    “STARTER” doesn’t matter.
    “WHO IS ‘DOING IT’ FOR THE TEAM TONIGHT” does. Sportscenter and media reporters don’t write articles about who started… only who did the most over the course of THAT game and who won it.

    Really–lose the irrelevant ‘starter’ discussion.

  17. tvp1 11/10/2010 at 12:45 PM #

    Howell might be the most important player on the team, because he’s the only one who grabs defensive rebounds on a consistent basis.

  18. choppack1 11/10/2010 at 12:55 PM #

    “Yep, you HAVE to play solid, fundamentally sound defense if you want to win in the ACC.

    There are too many teams with too much talent and/or playing experience for a young squad to be good without be tough to score against.”

    And this is a big concern I have regarding Lowe. I don’t see a lot of evidence that our guys are being coached “up” on D. Our D is typically passive, we don’t challenge passing lanes, nor do we box out exceptionally well.

    I can see not going w/ an overplaying man to man defensive scheme – especially when you don’t have great quickness. However, every time a shot goes up each player on our team should be boxing out somoene else on the other team. At this point, I’ve chalked up to Lowe’s philosophy since rebounding is basically a “hustle” stat – and talent isn’t the biggest factor.

    Howlie and tvp1 – good point.

  19. GJP8105 11/10/2010 at 12:56 PM #

    Here’s highlights from the game from packinsider.com

    http://packinsider.com/2010/11/video-nc-state-vs-pfeiffer-highlight-reel/

  20. coach13 11/10/2010 at 1:00 PM #

    I could care less who starts. Start whoever is doing the job the best, find the hot hand in the flow of the game, everybody do your part when your number is called. If they ALL embrace that we will be good.

  21. JeremyH 11/10/2010 at 1:16 PM #

    I agree 100% with Alpha, and remember that this team chemistry “thing” isn’t just determined at the beginning, it needs to be maintained throughout the season. (I don’t care if they are going to IHOP together in November.)

    We don’t really need to choose Javi or Harrow (Wood or Leslie), they will split time. I like our guard rotation of Javi/Harrow/Brown. CJ Williams, Howell, and Wood last night were exactly what we need to compliment the core: consistent role players.

    Watching them play last night reminded me of something I saw in high school soccer: once the offense gets really flowing, its harder to pick out which players are the “elite” ones. That’s how it should be!

    Waterbug? Is that what Tyler Lewis is going to be for us, a waterbug?

    We simply cannot have enough players with the Lorenzo Brown skillset, keep recruiting that profile Sid!

    I love what Howell brings; will Painter make the jump this year?

  22. Sweet jumper 11/10/2010 at 1:18 PM #

    Wood is going to benefit greatly from the new talent this year. He will get more open looks because we have better ball handlers and passers on the perimeter, and because teams cannot cheat off of other players to double team him this year. Whether he starts or not, I bet he is in the games at the end, and that is what matters. He is a complete player. I really like what the freshmen contributed last night.

  23. Rick 11/10/2010 at 1:42 PM #

    I stated CJL should not start (at least not over Wood) and many did not like that. I think Wood brings to the table what we need at the position.
    CJL has a huge upside but at this point he is not skilled or disciplined enough.

    The rebounding has always been a problem with Lowe coached teams. We were last in the ACC in rebounding margin last year. This is NOT a talent issues. It is a coaching philosophy issue. It needs to be addresses or it will come back to bite us.

    Defense is a concern for me as well. We were tenth last year in FG% defense. Again this needs to be addressed.

    Hopefully these problems will be fixed so we have a great year

  24. ryebread 11/10/2010 at 2:00 PM #

    Great comments. I didn’t see last night’s game, but I see the same things that I remember from our very first exhibition game under Lowe. I’ve always had confidence with him as a coach that we could score — our lower point totals were based on the pace we selected, not the efficiency of our offense. The struggle has always been the rebounding and defense. It’s really a NBA mentality.

    For that reason, I have thought and continue to believe that Howell is going to be a starter and log major minutes. He’s a beast on the boards (1 handed rebounds last night not withstanding) and that will be extremely critical for us.

    That’s also why I think Wood starts well into the season. He’s going to play more fundamentally sound defense than Leslie, and we’re going to need that desperately. He has to stay in front of his man and keep TS and RH out of foul trouble.

    I’ve never been a huge Javi fan, but I think there’s a clear role for him on this year’s team. He can get 15-20 minutes a night split between the PG and SG position. He will start at the PG initially — Harrow will have to “take” that spot from him — and then later be a spark plug off the bench. The key for Javi (IMHO) is to play aggressively, push the tempo, play hard nosed perimeter defense and to shoot if he’s wide open.

    It was nice to hear that CJW got into the flow of the game. I personally felt he’d be an odd man out this season, but if we really intend to play at this pace, then he will see some time (as will as Vandy and Painter). It will be important for us that CJW, Vandy and Painter are mentally ready when they’re called upon because that appears to be nightly if this is the pace.

  25. Oldwolf 11/10/2010 at 2:32 PM #

    I was at the game and some points stick out from the game and from how I expect Lowe to do some things –

    – I think that starting is not all that important and it may vary rotate, depending on who has been “productive” in practice and who the opponent happens to be

    – Lowe likes to do a lot of playing time and starting base on matchups with the opponent (NBA style of a sort) – he has not had the talent to do this effectively in the past

    – Javi vs Harrow – I think that there is room for both, in fact both played often *at the same time* last night – it is not really one vs the other!

    – Wood vs Leslie – once again, staring time not a big thing – Wood plays smart defense and has one of the better 3-pt strokes. CJL is awesome talent and is going to be very good, but of the 3 freshmen, he looked the rawest in his game. He at times is very spectacular and at other times, he looked lost. There will also be many times that both will be on the floor.

    – Lo Brown seems to be the one that will contribut the most, he will fill up the stat sheets – not had one like him in a while – especially with so many other options on the floor,

    – There are many weapons that can create their own shots/assists that it will open things up for others – especially for someone like Smith who was used to getting doubled and tripled teamed. That should not happen this year because there is enough talent to exploit that should it happen

    – I think that this team will have 9-10 players getting double digit minutes a game and it may not always be the same – last night 8 got 16+ minutes with Vandenberg getting 11 and Painter getting 9.

    – chemistry seemed quite nice among all of them – even with Javi and Ryan.

    – it is going to be a fun year.

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