Cowdog: Where Were You When You First Shunned The Baby Blue?

Originally published early morning of November 19, 2010

Here’s a great recollection of what it’s like to be a player in the State-Carolina game by long-time Statefans Nation reader and raconteur, Cowdog.  His tale takes us back to the 1972 State-Carolina game, one that older Wolfpack fans will probably never forget.  Enjoy! — Alpha

Everybody has a time and reason for making a life-long decision. I thought it might be fun to fire you up and get you recalling what it was that made you put the X in UNX and loathe the pastel blue.

I know where I was when it came to me, and if you feel like listening, I’ll tell you the story.

OK then…

I was in Kenan Stadium on the third Saturday afternoon of September 1972. This 18 yr. old freshman from Fredonia freakin’ New York was completely healthy, dressed and on the depth charts for the first time as a football player for the Red and White from NC STATE!

Actually, it was white over white with red lids and trim, white wristbands to the elbow and white spats. (Modified to go no higher than the ankles. Holtz rules on spats. )

(That was for you Highstick, if you’re listening.)

The Heels were ranked. We had tied Maryland in the opener and beaten Syracuse, and were on nobody’s radar. There I was, with a hundred Monarch butterflies ingested at pre game meal, or so I supposed. I was surrounded in light blue, with a fair share of red.

Crap, I’m getting ahead of myself. The question to the lead was… first shunned…

Midway through gearing up for practice on the first Monday before Carolina, in the bowels of Reynolds, I noted a lack of jocularity coming from the upperclassmen side of the locker room. They just weren’t cuttin’ up. Freshmen never cut up in the room.  Well, we did, in whisper-tone, amongst ourselves, but…we always wanted to hear what was goin’ on a couple of rows over. There was not much to pick up this day. Not for me anyway, ‘til we hit the practice field.

After quick drills, which were Lou’s form of calisthenics, we broke into positional units like we always did prior to game plan practice. For us wides it pretty much consisted of pairing up and throwing the ball to each other for about ten minutes with the “passer” doing his best to make the partner try to come up with the most ridiculous sideline catch ever.

On this day Steve Lester was my partner. Steve Lester was the  “other” starting senior wide out in 1972.  It was Lester who taught me how to take out a pitch man.

Before I threw my first pass to him that day, I heard him say, “Angelo.”

I kinda looked at him funny, like I expected more to follow.

“Lou Angelo,” as he snatched my quite less than perfect spiral.

When I asked him what heck he was talking about, I received no answer, just a nifty little bullet about 3 inches off the ground. The rest of the drill went pretty much silent, and Holtz’s whistle blew, signaling us to  “line it up!”

Practice was routine that day, getting the package for Saturday’s gamer installed. After dinner, the offense watched a little film of the Carolina defense versus Maryland’s from a few weeks past.

The thing about film was that for us wide outs, there really wasn’t a whole lot of information to be gathered. Very few teams ran the Twin Veer, so it was tough picking up tendencies watching a future opponent defend an I-formation. The best you could do is try and find the pitchman in zone and man coverage. The problem is, sometimes the outside LB was it, sometimes the safety, and even the DE. You never really knew until the play was in motion against the Veer.

Maybe midway through the session I saw a safety, # 11, put a wicked hit on a back that had lined up as a flanker. A bunch of “oohs” and “aahs” followed from the room.

Someone muffled,  “there’s your boy, Pat.” That didn’t seem to go over very well.

“Fuck him.”  That came from Lester. I looked over at Pat Kenney for a reaction.

Nope. Nothin’. Maybe a squint. The session soon ended, and for the second time that day, I was left with this question mark balloon over my noggin. I wanted to ask what just happened back there, but as a freshman dressing out for the first time, I felt that if they don’t tell ya, you don’t ask.

Tuesday’s practice was quite remarkable. The guys were really getting at it with each other. It was a mean practice, filled with plenty of expletive adjectives and verbs being tossed around, usually describing Carolina. I was beginning to think that this might not be just another game to win. Over dinner, Don Buckey broke a silence at our freshman round table. “ Hey. Who is Lou Angelo? “ I looked up and asked him where he had heard that name. “ Steve Lester said it to me today. He wouldn’t tell me who it was.” I told Buckey about hearing the name from Steve the day before, but knew nothing either.

As we walked out of Case for the evening, I spied Lester. I had to know. I gave Buck a head twitch and we caught up to the guy with the answer. Buck said it first.

“ Who is Lou Angelo? “

Lester looked at us like we had leprosy or sumpthin’.

“ He broke his jaw! On a cheap hit! “ Lester was pointing, pointing up ahead at Pat Kenney. He what? Pat? Kenney, our all everything? The player I had hoped to emulate? Broke his jaw on a cheap hit? Angelo, now I got it. Number 11.

Boys and girls, by Thursday, I had a whole new take on Saturday’s game. I not only was flushed by the prospects of playing in my first college game, but understood that I was now involved in some thick subplots. I was beginning to catch the current of despise for the coming opposition. Should I play Saturday, I was going to find a way to make Lou Angelo look bad. If the situation were to present itself, even make him pay without doing something cheap.

Midway in the third quarter, Carolina went up by 14. We came right back with a TD of our own. That’s the way the game had been going all afternoon. They’d pull ahead; we’d come back within striking distance. We played from behind, and we played with confidence. I had managed to play two complete series by the end of the third quarter. They were very unremarkable minutes. Nothing really came my way. Most of the plays were spent running off the corner or just chasing to get a pad on someone across the field.

At the outset of the 4th quarter, Carolina had punted and we took possession. Holtz threw up two fingers, meaning I was about to get another series. We moved the ball pretty well, with Roland Hooks picking up most of those yards out to about midfield. We stalled though. In fact on 3rd and long, I finally had a chance to make a play. I ran a sharp 7-yard slant and had no one in front of me. It just wasn’t meant to be as Buck’s pass got batted down at the line of scrimmage. Well, punt ithe ball was to be, so I stayed on the field.

I held my block until the thud and headed downfield, one on the ball the other on anything in blue. Pat Korsnick had kicked a beauty. It was high, deep, and to my side.

At around the 10yrd line I picked up the ball again. The return man was backing off, this one was gonna’ be mine baby! At that moment, I got lambasted. Hit from the side and behind my knees, my arms stretched forward while my legs were planted two inches into the sod. The ball trickled into the end zone.

I was pissed! As I reached behind me to pull the sonofabitch that just got me off, I saw two things at once. On the shoulder pads of the player was numeral 11. On the ground next to me was a pretty, little yellow hankie. We untangled and I got up first on shell-shocked pins. I extended a hand to pull #11 up along with the words,  “helluva play Lou.” Something else was uttered about cheap shot, maybe his mother, too.

The defense kept ‘em right down there and on 4th down, Mike Stultz did what he did best that year. He took their punt to the house, man, 27-27 with 6 and change to go.

The Tar Heels mounted a time consuming drive and with under 2 minutes left, punched it in for the go ahead score. Lou collected the offense and exclaimed “hey! hey! we’re gonna’ score!” And down the field the O went with a Bruce Shaw bullet here and a Bruce Shaw bullet there. I think we had a big gainer on a draw by Willie Burden too. With 00:02 and the ball resting on Carolina’s 26, we used the last time out.

Shaw came over and we listened to the call. Of course the guys on the sideline were a wreck, with the Baptist boys praying and the Catholic boys trying to cut deals, and the rest of the faiths putting theirs’ on the offense.

“ Left opposite Jet and Go. “ Lou released his grip on Shaw. The play put Lester wide to the right on the line of scrimmage. Pat Kenney would be the slot about seven yards inside of Lester. Lester would run a deep post, Kenney would cross under and run a wheel.

It seemed like the ball hung in space forever near the back corner of the endzone. To my line of sight, there was nothing but that baby blue in the area. Then superman sans cape but with a big 25 on his chest flew from nowhere over the corner, and over # 11.

Touchdown. With the clock at 00:00 and the scoreboard at 34-33 and the crowd in anguish mixed with holy glee, Holtz managed to get the entire team together on the sidelines. “Men, its up to you. Go for the tie or go for two? “ You probably already know the answer to that question.  We were going for two.  We were going for the win!

Lou called for a middle screen. Charley Young would be the recipient.

Looking up, the clock was burned in at 00:00 and so too, the score, 34-33.

The play  failed.

We lost.

Later in the locker room, Lou would tell us that the play was the worst he’d ever called.

Yeah, we were hurt, but we were also fiercely proud heading to the field house.

As we made our way on the cinder track to that field house, the Carolina band’s horn section was lined up on the edge of that track serenading us with a mocking rendition of “Ol’ MacDonald.” As I passed in front of the tubas, one blasted off a note not 6” from my ear hole. I don’t know what possessed me, but I bent over, grabbed a handful of gravel, and rammed it right down that fat bastard’s horn.

I never looked back and I’ve never looked at THAT color, that awful Carolina blue, with the same eyes since.

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49 Responses to Cowdog: Where Were You When You First Shunned The Baby Blue?

  1. bradleyb123 11/19/2010 at 12:01 PM #

    Wow! Great read. It had me mesmerized. COWDOG, you should be a mystery writer. A thriller to the end. But write a happier ending next time. You win the game and after you dump gravel into one end of the tuba, you rip the other end out of the guy’s mouth and shove it up his ass.

    LOL, and you should work for Hallmark! 😉

  2. Homeboy 11/19/2010 at 12:01 PM #

    ^ What’s worse, as many of us found out this year in Greenville, is EZU students who are WalMart UNC fans.

    yikes.

  3. old13 11/19/2010 at 1:37 PM #

    That is a wonderful read, CD! My ant-Smurf sentiments come naturally from having grown up in a Duke (mom) household. (Pop was a Gator.) When I chose State for my college education, the transition was easy as far as UNC-CHeat is concerned. In fact, for a long time, I thought the name of the school was “Go to Hell Carolina!” :>)

  4. wolfwarrior 11/19/2010 at 1:52 PM #

    Great stuff, Cowdog.
    As to the question,”first shunned by the baby blue “, when I was in my mother’s womb, many of us were born that way!

  5. Prowling Woofie 11/19/2010 at 2:00 PM #

    Homeboy – went to Sanderson, class of ’77. Played soccer for them, and also in college @ W&L.

    We moved to Raleigh in ’70, and my dad bought season tix to Wolfpack games, figuring that even though it wasn’t Duke, ANY ACC bb was better than none. Little did he know he was creating a Wolfpack fan 😉

    Just happened to coincide with the Burleson-Thompson-Towe era. We’d show up early and watch the JV team destroy everybody (Thompson, Towe, Stoddard), then stick around and watch the varsity (Burleson and Steve NUUUUUUCE !!!). Remember seeing Burleson whack his head on the backboard during layup drills before the UVa game that year. God, he came a long way…

  6. tractor57 11/19/2010 at 2:38 PM #

    Cowdog,
    Once again you have written one of my all time favorite posts.

    My story dates to the 1974 football game. That was my last time with UNX. I grew up a baby blue but then as I approached HS graduation I found the education at dear old Moo U was better suited to my needs – in particular a job after graduation.

    So one last time I rooted for the heels then moved on to the next chapter in my life. In my time on campus I saw some very good basketball and football, a professor and Holtz have a spat over jogging around the track, hot as hell times in Reynolds, a UNX game there where you could not speak to the person next to you an hour before game time, etc.

    And the Bo Rein era – a wonderful time to follow the Pack in football.

    Am I jealous of the baby blue – not on your life!

  7. Bowlpack 11/19/2010 at 3:54 PM #

    My family, being from Alabama has no ties to NC State. My mother’s side is of the Auburn persuasion while my father’s is that of Alabama. To my understanding, it took awhile for my mother to be accepted into the family cloth. The only way that it worked was that my father (along with one of his brothers) had broken the circle and gone to Duke University and therefor didn’t have the fierce UA ties. Fast forward to my upbringing in suburban Atlanta where most of the kids in my neighborhood were either UGA (the first public university – not UNC) or GA Tech fans. I chose to root for the Dawgs as I have fond memories of Larry Munson calling the games over the radio on Saturdays with his famous, “hunker down you hairy dogs” that he shouted in his excited, gravely voice. I was completely unaware of UNC at that stage until I’d befriended a classmate whose father was a UNC grad. When his family learned that I pulled for Duke basketball because my dad did, they scoffed at the notion and at that point I started to feel a general disdain for Carolina. How could my dad possibly be in the wrong for pulling for the Blue Devils and who were these people to think anything of it? We moved to NC in the early 90s where I finished high school and when the time came to select a school, it was down to NC State, UNC and UGA. After campus visits to both UNC and NC State I had decided that State was a better fit for me, but at the last second made the decision to attend UGA which I did for one glorious, coed and beer-fueled school year. After it was decided that our money was better spent in-state, I reapplied to both UNC and NC State and was admitted to both, but it didn’t take much to convince me once again that State was the obvious choice. I never really gave UNC much consideration other than it had the reputation of being a good liberal arts school, but I am much more vocationally minded and chose to pursue study in design. I also hated the powder blue and the general arrogance and smugness that most UNC folks exhibited. Over the years, the disdain that I felt as a child has been stoked into a raging fire of hatred for all things UNC. I did eventually marry a UNC gal, but she’s not into sports so it seems to work out.

  8. PackerInRussia 11/19/2010 at 4:14 PM #

    Loved the article. Weren’t you guys looking for a professional writer…

    My time: freshman year, 1999. I sort of arbitrarily chose State. I went to high school not far from Raleigh. Applied and accepted to several places and just happened to choose State. I wasn’t a fan of any school when I started. I started attending games and became a fan at the first game I went to (South Carolina in the pouring rain) mainly b/c of the jerk Gamecock fans that I was around while waiting in line to get in. Other schools’ jerk fans have a way of strengthening one’s loyalty. Which leads me to: my fanhood slowly grew throughout the season, but I was still no enemy of the Baby Blue. I attended the UNC game in Charlotte because I thought I might get to see a certain girl, but ended up being heartbroken by the game instead. The next day, I get an e-mail from a guy I went to high school with. To that point, I hadn’t heard a word from him since high school. He had chosen to go to UNC. As far as I knew, he was no Carolina fan in high school; he was from New York. His e-mail was one long condescending gloat and was sent to us former classmates that went to NC State. At that point, I knew that I hated UNC and those who aligned themselves with its dark (I guess I should say light) forces.

    P.S. I’m happy to say that I will get to download tomorrow’s game and watch it, although a day late. If you’re not in the viewing area and are interested, head over to Ten Yard Torrents. That site has made my life much happier. If only the teams I watch (Redskins, Wolfpack) would comply as well.

  9. highstick 11/19/2010 at 5:11 PM #

    Cowdog, you’re a freakin’ HOTDOG!! LOL!! I’ll follow with my sequel later…45 minutes away from my daughter’s wedding rehearsal!!!

    Hilarious!!!!

  10. wolfbuff 11/19/2010 at 5:17 PM #

    My Mom went to UNC, my Dad to State. They met at a State/Carolina football game. So I had the rivalry in my blood from the time of conception. But which way would I go? I don’t remember much before the 73-74 season, but that is when I fell hard for the Pack. I grew up listening to Wally Ausley (the voice of the Wolfpack) announce the Pack basketball games so vividly, I would act them out on the nerf hoop in my room. David Thompson became, and still is, my hero. 44 is my favorite number. My Dad went to State in the late 50’s and told me stories of the glory days when the Gray Fox prowled the sidelines. I immersed myself in the tradition and the games. I learned to hate UNC and everything they stood for. Mike O’Koren is still the all-time villain to me. If I saw him today, I would punch him in the brain. I cried myself to sleep the night we lost to Carolina on the Dudley Bradley steal/dunk. I was at the game we lost to Penn St on the last second 54 yard field goal. I was at the 7-0 win against Md that clinched our last ACC championship in ’79. I was at the State/Carolina game when Clyde the Glide fed the ball to Hawkeye Whitney for a monster dunk. I literally thought the roof was going come off of Reynolds coliseum. When it came time to apply for college, I applied to one place and one place only – NC State (not a tactic I would encourage today’s high school grads to do by the way). The college years were mostly bad for football and good for basketball. The last second hail mary against South Carolina is my favorite memory from those games. That and Valvano speaking at our senior banquet. Mom’s school or not, I would pull the al-quaida all stars over UNC in any sport in any situation. Now, I have the privilege of sharing football games with my 3 sons, who are equally passionate Wolfpack supporters and UNC haters. Life is good.

  11. rky 11/19/2010 at 6:34 PM #

    Great post, Cowdog! To answer the question posed in the title – Alamance Co. Hospital, the day I was born. I don’t remember ever NOT hating EweNX. In the genes as Dad went to State, too (class of ’68). When it came time to apply to colleges, I did two applications – one to NC State, one to EweNX. Got accepted to both and, of course, went to State. Only applied to the School of Smurfs to get the acceptance letter so I could, once again, tell them to go to hell. Go Pack!!!

  12. packalum08 11/19/2010 at 6:49 PM #

    We moved as a family to NC in ’94. Parents graduated from UCSD so they had no real college sports ties. In fact, until we moved, we didn’t even know about the passion behind college sports. My best friend in NC pulled for the Pack, so I did too. My younger brother’s best friend was UNC fan, so my brother pulled for them. We had our share of spats, especially around ACC tournament time, and I was fully aware that UNC was the school I was supposed to hate. Yet, I hadn’t made it personal. Upon graduation from high school, I applied to all three Triangle schools as well as VT. Got accepted everywhere, but chose NCSU for economic and career reasons.

    My freshman year, I was in the marching band, and was quickly being brought up to speed as to just how much I should hate UNC. That year we traveled to Kenan for the game, on a warm September evening. The year was 2004.

    Everyone remembers that game for the TA drive at the end, where the points came off the board. I know I personally watched the replay of that penultimate play at least 50 times, telling myself that he had crossed the plane. It’s easier to forget the punt return by Tremaine that was called back because the refs thought he signaled for a fair catch. That game broke me. As the band marched out, the seniors in our section reminded us to close rank tightly and ignore whatever came our way from the opposing fans. All I can remember from the march out is being surrounded on both sides by rabid, drunk UNC fans, reveling in our defeat.

    Before then, I disliked UNC. They were still another ACC school that made the conference look good when they were good. That night changed everything. That game taught me to hate UNC. It taught me to hate ACC officiating. It taught me to hate John Swofford. It was when I personally and vehemently first shunned the baby blue.

  13. ChiefJoJo 11/19/2010 at 7:18 PM #

    So this isn’t really about UNC so much as it is about my relationship with NC State. Really, that’s what it should be about…

    When you grow up in NC, it’s easy to pull for UNC. When you’re a kid, and most of your friends are Tar Heel fans, there’s definitely a pull there, kind of like a drug dealer trying to sell you some really good heroin. It’s a “you know you want to…” kind of thing.

    I definitely went through phases where I sort of pretended to root for Carolina to make it easy on myself at school, but eventually there were too many connections in my family with NC State for me to choose UNC. This included going to games and such as a kid, like a home football match-up with JoePa and Penn State, where I can vaguely remember the name Joe McIntosh being announced over the PA over and over.

    But the moment when it all came together was watching us win the ’83 championship on TV as a little kid. I will never forget the craziness of that championship run and the unbelievable glee we all felt when Lo’ slammed home the dunk to seal the deal. That was it for me: Wolfpack fan for life.

  14. Phang 11/19/2010 at 7:34 PM #

    Cowdog, you’re from Fredonia? I have a some good friends from there. Nobody likes the winters.

    Cool story. That was the agony of de feet. Sorry you had to experience it 🙁

    I saw my first football game ever at Riddick Stadium. My Dad was a postal clerk at State College Station for a long time. My first haircut was at ManMur. I attended Fred Olds. I held birthday parties in Pullen Park when there was an old fire engine and old Korean war jet to play in. My Dad bowled at the alley on Hillsboro Street. We shopped at the A&P. I watched Jimmy V’s team beat unc in Reynolds, and I attended the Duke game when Jimmy V said his goodbyes. And I cried along with most of the crowd. So NC State is in my blood.

    But I lived away from here for a while and really didn’t begin to follow college sports until the early 1980’s so I wasn’t really aware of the rivalry growing up.

    But in the early 70’s, I attended a fundamentalist church in N Durham. There was a clique of the obnoxious elitist preppies who were, gasp!, unc fans. That’s where I learned to dislike them on general principle.

    What people may not know about me: I once performed in the halftime show of a UofM game in the Orange Bowl. All of the Scouts from South Florida converged on the Orange Bowl. At halftime we all ran out on the field in small groups and did something “scouty”, then ran back off the field. My little group made a tripod from three poles and some rope.

    I have also seen exactly one professional football game in person. The NY Jets beat the Dolphins in the Orange Bowl. Joe Namath had a great game against Miami that day.

  15. 61Packer 11/19/2010 at 9:48 PM #

    My first college football game was in the fall of 1962 when Clemson played at UNC. A group of us guys from a local high school sat in the stands and cheered lustily as Clemson won, 11-7. Carolina went 8-2 that season and then won the Gator Bowl, but I saw one of the two that really counted that season.

  16. VaWolf82 11/19/2010 at 10:10 PM #

    I cried myself to sleep the night we lost to Carolina on the Dudley Bradley steal/dunk. I was at the game we lost to Penn St on the last second 54 yard field goal. I was at the 7-0 win against Md that clinched our last ACC championship in ’79. I was at the State/Carolina game when Clyde the Glide fed the ball to Hawkeye Whitney for a monster dunk. I literally thought the roof was going come off of Reynolds coliseum.

    Witnessed all of these while I was at State. I was sitting on the sidelines at the baseline where Bradley dunked. I was sitting with the band on the 50 yd line for the Penn St FG. I was sitting directly behind the scorer’s table for the Whitney dunk. Hawkeye only missed one shot (a free throw) that night.

    The college years were mostly bad for football and good for basketball. The last second hail mary against South Carolina is my favorite memory from those games.

    My brother’s years at State. My parents went with my brother to the SC game. Odds are that the Peebles catch will come up over either Thanksgiving or Christmas (or both).

  17. Wufpacker 11/20/2010 at 4:11 AM #

    I don’t remember exactly what year it was, but I was still a kid so likely sometime in the mid 1970’s. Game was played in Chapel Hill on Super Bowl Sunday a couple hours before kickoff. Game came down to State shooting free throws for the road victory. Al Green (no relation) stepped to the line and sank two free throws with no time remaining to win the game. This must have been a year or two removed from David Thompson landing on his head in Reynold’s during State’s first round game of the ’74 NCAA tourney.

    Couldn’t even tell you who won, or even who played in, the super bowl a couple hours later. The main event (in our house, anyway) had ended hours earlier. I saw how happy my Dad was that State had won and I’ve just wanted to be a part of it ever since.

    And all which that implies.

  18. wolfacct 11/20/2010 at 5:20 PM #

    OK, here’s my story. Growing up, I was a ‘Hole fan. My brother (who is two years older) decided to go to NCSU and major in mechanical engineering. He and I are totally opposite, so I decided to major in Acctg. I applied at UNX, was turned down, but was accepted at NCSU. I did OK academically at NCSU, made the Dean’s list once (decided that was enough) and graduated in ’81 with my degree in Acctg. Most of my professors were UNC guys, but that was OK, they were cool. During my time there, I witnessed Dudley Bradley’s dunk off a steal from Clyde Austin (and still wonder why the ref didn’t blow the whistle) and never saw us beat the “Holes in Carter Finley. My first job in public acctg. sealed the deal … when talking to a co-worker, he asked where I went to school. When I replied NCSU, he said “you must not be very good.” Later, as he was still trying to pass the CPA exam, I just looked at him with glee … thinking to myself “you arrogant bastard, looks who’s not too good now.” Through the years, my contempt for UNX has grown to the point that I consider myself the world’s greatest ABC fan … I would pull for the Taliban against them. Today’s victory is ‘oh so sweet … A few years ago, when we defeated them in bball during Sid’s first year, I was watching the game at a local hangout with a couple of other State alum. There were a couple of ‘Hole fans at the table next to us giving us $hit. I finally looked at them and asked “When did you graduate.” Well, their faces said it all…. Walmart fans no less.

  19. DC_wolf 11/20/2010 at 7:16 PM #

    Can’t top posts by WV Wolf, Sweet Jumper, or Prowling Wolf. If you want to know real Wolfpack love – read those…

    I grew up a UNC fan – loved Deano, Phil Ford, & Walter Davis. Never really hated the Pack because I lived in Raleigh but I talked plenty of smack & always put my money on the Heels. I ended up going to NCSU more because of location than anything; & as I said – I didn’t hate them, just didn’t pull for them. Probably the 1st inklings came in 1989 when Monroe drove to the hole from a feed from Corchiani; made the basket & drew the (hard) foul(s) from more than 1 smurf. As he lay there on the hardwood under the basket, all he did was raise both thumbs. I thought “now I know why they call him Ice, how cool!” The pack ended up winning big that night – & they deserved to.

    My hate for the Heels didn’t really begin until after graduation in the working world when I began coming in contact w/Heel grads and all their condescension & derision. I literally had Heels tell me I had no hope of advancing in my career & “oh by the way, you better enjoy that ’83 championship, ’cause you’ll never have another.”

    As far as football, I probably didn’t come around until 1998 when the Pack beat FSU 24-7 for their 1st win against the conference owner; at the same time we were in the midst of a LONG losing streak against UNC. At least when Amato arrived along with Rivers we were able to stem the tide & win 3 of 4 against the ‘Holes. Hopefully, with today’s win – the fourth in a row against those arrogant bums – we continue a streak that goes for a LONG LONG time…

  20. Greywolf 11/20/2010 at 11:50 PM #

    Dano,

    Damn boy, I didn’t know you could write. Your style has style my good man.

    Are you sure it was Young and not Willie Burden on that screen? I heard Holtz talking about Burden being held and couldn’t get out.

    I was a State fan early on in life. I actually played in Riddick Statium at half-time in 1947 or 48. I was 10 or 11 at the time. My youth league team wore red jerseys and we pretended we were State College. It was quite a thrill for a kid that age to hear a coule of thousand Wolfpack fans chanting, “All the way, Little Red, all the way. Yeah, half-time entertainment has been upgraded since then. LOL

    When I was 12 or 13 my mom put a book of tickets for the Dixie Classic in my Christmas stocking. I would walk to Reynolds and stay for all 4 games each of the 3 days then walk home. I’ll never forget dumping out that stocking and finding those tickets. I’ve been given some nice gifts since then but none brought me more joy and pure excitement. And I never questioned my mother’s love for me again. After all, what better way to show you love than giving someone tickets to Wolfpack games.

    I sold cokes in Reynolds in HS and often got run out of the ailes by the ushers during the games. While I was a true State fan at a young age, I didn’t start hating the Holes until I started to catch the “we’re better than you” attitude and comments from their fans. The arrogant bastards were a natural enemy.

    I will say that I stopped going to games when my wife kicked me to the curb. Being in Carter, which was what it was called origionally, without my family with me was too painful so I gave up my Section 21, Row K, seats on the 50 yard line. Can you believe my ex-wife told me that she wished she had known I was giving them up cause her new husband would have liked to have had them. I told her I was SOOOO sorry but I don’t think she believed me. Her effing new husband was the president of an insurance company and a Holes fan. Do you think he had a chance at those tickets?

    Being talked to death is a terrible way to die and I killed 3 people the last time I started talking about my “good old days” at State.

    Phil

  21. Greywolf 11/21/2010 at 12:09 AM #

    Dano,

    Damn boy, I didn’t know you could write. Your style has style, my good man.

    Are you sure it was Young and not Willie Burden on that screen? Later I heard Holtz talking about Burden being held and couldn’t get out. That’s what I saw from the stands. I had poor seats but they were at the goal line and we had a pretty good view.

    I was a State fan early on in life. I actually played in Riddick Statium at half-time in 1947 or 48. I was 10 or 11 at the time. My youth league team wore red jerseys and we pretended we were State College. It was quite a thrill for a kid that age to hear a couple of thousand Wolfpack fans chanting, “All the way, Little Red, all the way.” Yeah, half-time entertainment has been upgraded since then. LOL

    When I was 12 or 13 my mom put a book of tickets for the Dixie Classic in my Christmas stocking. I would walk to Reynolds and stay for all 4 games each of the 3 days then walk back home. I’ll never forget dumping out that stocking and finding those tickets. I’ve been given some nice gifts since then but none brought me more pure joy and excitement. I never questioned my mother’s love for me again. After all, what better way to show you love someone than giving them tickets to Wolfpack badketball games in the Everett Case era.

    I sold cokes in Reynolds in HS and often got run out of the ailes by the ushers during the games. While I was a true State fan at a young age, I didn’t start hating the Holes until I started to catch the “we’re better than you” attitude and comments from their fans. The arrogant bastards were a natural enemy.

    I will say that I stopped going to games in Carter for years when my wife kicked me to the curb. Being in Carter, later Carter-Finley, without my family with me was too painful so I gave up my Section 21, Row K, seats on the 50 yard line. Can you believe my ex-wife told me that she wished she had known I was giving them up cause her new husband would have liked to have had them. I told her I was SOOOO sorry but I don’t think she believed me. She had ‘traded up.’ Her effing new husband was the president of an insurance company and a Holes fan. Do you think he had a chance at those tickets?

    I’m back now in the NEZ, a long way from the 50 but better than missing the excitement of being in CF watching the Pack.

    Being talked to death is a terrible way to die and I killed 3 people the last time I started talking about my “good old days” at State, so I’d better close for now.

    Phil

  22. WolfpackDBD 10/26/2012 at 2:28 PM #

    Found this today. Thought it was worth bringing back.

  23. TheCOWDOG 11/22/2015 at 9:00 PM #

    Some things never change. They only intensify.

    Looks like the archive has been corrupted, as has the foe for quite sometime.

  24. ncsu1987 07/28/2017 at 11:47 AM #

    With UNC’s date with destiny (NCAA) in mid August just around the corner, I was contemplating my abject hatred for all things blue, and I remembered reading this, years ago, and being absolutely enthralled – by the article AND the comments.

    Just finished another read. Such a well written, honest and compelling post, a tiny but memorable window into a lost culture.

    Not sure if this will show up anywhere, but thanks, again, CD for sharing this.

    God, I hate those f*ckers.

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