Confusing statement from Butch Davis about dismissal of sophomore

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After doing some quick research that may be incomplete, I figured we would just throw this quote from Butch Davis out there for our readers to help us figure out what Butch is talking about.

Link to full interview.

Question

As a follow-up to that, you’ve had such an impeccable reputation. When you look back on some of the things that have occurred, do you question your character judgment with some of the people that maybe have let you down?

Butch Davis:

…..Probably one of the things that I wish we would have done more was maybe educate kids at a younger age instead of maybe waiting until kids are rising seniors that are potentially draft eligible, we’ve obviously started this year trying to educate the freshmen, educate the sophomores, because one of the players that, unfortunately, was dismissed from the program was a kid that was just a sophomore. He had only been on campus for basically 18 months. It’s an opportunity for us to look at what we’re doing and try to do it better.

Players involved in scandal thanks to Tarheelfanblog along with their class in ( ):

Declared ineligible prior to the LSU game

Marvin Austin(sr): Dismissed for receiving $10-13K in improper benefits; ethical conduct violation.
Robert Quinn(jr): Permanently ineligible for receiving $5K in improper benefits, ethical conduct violation.
Greg Little(sr): Permanently ineligible for receiving $5K in improper benefits, ethical conduct violation.
Kendric Burney(sr): Suspended six games for improper benefits; academic status pending
Michael McAdoo(jr): Academic status pending
Charles Brown(sr): Academic status pending

Withheld prior to the LSU game

Bruce Carter(sr): Cleared on academic issues for LSU game
Quan Sturdivant(sr): Cleared on academics issues for LSU game
Shaun Draughn(sr): Cleared on academic issues for Georgia Tech game
Da’Norris Searcy(sr): Cleared on academic issues for ECU game
Ryan Houston(sr): Cleared following honor court date prior to UVa game. Possible redshirt.
Linwan Euwell(jr): Cleared following honor court date prior to UVa game.
Deunta Williams(sr): Suspended four games for improper benefits; became eligible for Clemson game.
Jonathan Smith(sr): Declared ineligible for season following honor court date.
Brian Gupton(jr): Declared ineligible for season following honor court date.

Additional players withheld

Devon Ramsay(jr): Withheld prior to Clemson game for newly discovered academic issues; status unknown.

-No sophomores on that list(at least I think I have their eligibility correct).

Link to UNC roster to confirm eligibility is correct.

Was the sophomore dismissed from the program in a separate incident previous to the recent scandal?

It is hard to interpret exactly what Butch is saying, but it appears that this sophomore may have been dismissed for agent related activity and/or improper benefits considering he references the dismissal in relation to needing more education in the program(I assume there doesn’t need to be more education to not cheat since that is taught prior to going to college). It would be a disaster for UNC if there was a previous incident.

Maybe Butch misspoke and the player was actually someone involved in the latest scandal and he got confused on the time frames they were on campus? Did one of these guys transfer in meaning they were only on campus 18 months which would explain Butch’s confusion?

Or did we totally miss something obvious that explains this comment?

This sounded like it is worth clarifying since Butch raised the topic himself.

Thoughts?

Potential/likely explanation from Packpride on Twitter

@statefansnation I think he means Quinn. Educating Quinn when he was a soph. because he was soph. when he was getting the benefits.

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15 Responses to Confusing statement from Butch Davis about dismissal of sophomore

  1. VaWolf82 10/20/2010 at 3:45 PM #

    Maybe someone that hasn’t been banned can ask the question at Idiot Central.

  2. StateFans 10/20/2010 at 4:02 PM #

    Never thought about it this way…but…it appears that all of the players held out for both agent AND academic stuff are upper classmen.

    I totally understand the common sense of that on the agent side. But, isn’t it a little odd that almost all of the ‘cheating’ was going on from such a distinct group of players?

    Don’t know what it means. Just a little weird. Kind of like the fact that something like 10 of the original 13 players all happened to be in the same major — Communications.

    Would be interesting to figure out how many of the athletes are in Communications as a whole. I know that it used to be that almost all of the basketball team was in “African American Studies” back in the 90s.

  3. bradleyb123 10/20/2010 at 4:31 PM #

    Maybe someone that hasn’t been banned can ask the question at Idiot Central.

    I was banned within about five posts over there. (Seriously.)

    I merely suggested that Carolina would have to fire Butch in order to fully clean up their tarnished reputation. I think that’s a perfectly valid assessment.

    When they banned me, I was proud of myself. 🙂

  4. bradleyb123 10/20/2010 at 4:32 PM #

    Don’t know what it means. Just a little weird. Kind of like the fact that something like 10 of the original 13 players all happened to be in the same major — Communications.

    On a side note, what does it say about a student-athlete that has to cheat in order to graduate…… in Communications?

  5. PackWolf82 10/20/2010 at 4:34 PM #

    No knock on COM majors, my brother was one at State, and I took quite a few while I was there. But as I’ve worked with athletes at 3 schools, COM is a popular major among athletes. Just putting that out there!

  6. StateFans 10/20/2010 at 4:40 PM #

    COM is a disproportionately popular major among football players at Chapel Hill.

  7. Pack78 10/20/2010 at 4:53 PM #

    The above makes it sound like BD needs to take some Communications courses at the hole; also, how does his statement square with BD’s that unx has ‘strong compliance programs in place’-LOL.

  8. Pack78 10/20/2010 at 4:55 PM #

    ^Meant to say-DB’s comments…

  9. wolfbuff 10/20/2010 at 5:01 PM #

    “I was banned within about five posts over there.”

    One thing I like about this site is the welcoming of dialog from all sides, as long as it is civil. Let them keep burying their heads in the sand over there in Cheater Hill. When the NCAA becomes their back-door man, they might actually wake up.

    It will be interesting to see if and when BD will clarify his remarks. I doubt anyone outside this site will call him on it.

  10. TAEdisonHokie 10/20/2010 at 6:39 PM #

    COM is also a popular major among UNC basketball players. I would imagine there is some communication back and forth between athletes about tutors, to include those employed and not employed by UNC.

    Just sayin’.

  11. Clarksa 10/20/2010 at 8:32 PM #

    There have been plenty posts on PP (by those who have been more right than wrong) indicating that Comm department at UNC-CHeat is knee deep in this scandal.

  12. Phang 10/21/2010 at 7:50 AM #

    I want to know who the idiot is who thinks BMFD has an “impeccable reputation”

  13. NCMike 10/21/2010 at 8:38 AM #

    Not really sure what Butch is saying here either. Only speculation on my part, but it could be (because he states, “we’ve obviously started this year”) that he is referring to either sophomore LB Hawatha Bell who was dismissed in January for violating team rules, or sophomore tailback Jamal Womble who was dismissed for academic reasons around the same time. But I tend to agree that he was talking about Quin who was a sophomore when his problems first began.

  14. Texpack 10/21/2010 at 8:45 AM #

    If you take an illegal agent trip during Spring Break of your sophomore year, then you’ve only been on campus about 18 months and the actual violation would have occurred when you were a sophomore. Perhaps that is the situation Butchie Boy was talking about.

  15. whitefang 10/21/2010 at 8:56 AM #

    “impeccable reputation” was not a “reporter’s” question. It was the political technique of framing a statement like a question to give it credibility. In this case a friendly one rather than the infamous “are you still beating your wife” type.

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