Embarrassment vs. Missed Opportunity

As I mentioned in the (accidentally unfeatured, stupid outdated Blackberry of mine) game thread, this afternoon’s game was a prime example of why playing the Pie-rats on the road in the middle of the season (thanks, Lee!) is a bad idea. State was unexpectedly having a good season. So it became even more of a Super Bowl to EZU. State has a chance to win the Atlantic, with a crucial showdown against Florida State looming next. So it became even more meaningless to our players.

That said, sure it was still embarrassing. Look at the comments thread or the message boards, and it’s clear that a lot of people were/are very angry. Fingers are pointing at the coaches and players, and frankly, with good reason. It was a horrible effort, from top to bottom, start to finish.

But it doesn’t really matter at all to the arc of NC State’s football season. NC State will still be bowl eligible – Maryland and Wake Forest are almost indescribably putrid, and State would have to play even worse than today to lose to either team. I’m not sure that’s even possible. So, there’s your 7-5, for the bare minimum threshhold. Even if State stumbles to a 7-5 mark, it wouldn’t have made us more attractive to a bowl to have beaten East Carolina in October.

Beyond basic bowl eligibility, this season will be special or not based on what happens in the three games remaining against Florida State, Clemson, and UNC. And that’s why I was so much more enduringly mad when we pissed away the Virginia Tech game (a loss that many more fans seemed comparatively OK with). Had we won that game, then beating Florida State a week from Thursday would put NC State in commanding position to take the Atlantic Division. Instead, we probably still have to sweep Clemson and UNC, and certainly must win one of the two. That’s a much tougher road to travel.

But it still can be done. Of the three remaining opponents who will determine NC State’s season, the only one playing well right now is UNC. The program that Tom O’Brien has owned during his tenure in West Raleigh. A foe that nobody will overlook or fail to get up for. Based on what I’ve seen this year, State’s “A game” should beat FSU at home, and Clemson on the road. So, it’s still up to us.

Perhaps today’s embarrassment will do a little good. No fawning press clippings to swell players’ heads. A stark reminder that the Virginia Tech loss shouldn’t be shrugged off as a “quality loss” or even worse, a “moral victory.” Let the team come out and play angry the next few weeks. Anger is an excellent motivator.

And most importantly, hopefully the shame of October 16, 2010 will help Russell Wilson extract his cranium from his rectal orifice. Yes, he’s got a professional baseball career to look forward to. Yes, he missed Spring practice. But there’s no excuse for a fourth year junior known for his keen intelligence and leadership skills to make reads and decisions like he did today. Or like he did against the Hokies. Or like he did at Central Florida. Notice the trend? It will be evident in the film that Russell Wilson and Dana Bible start crunching through tomorrow. They have the time and ability to fix it before the Seminoles come to town.

Now, we can only wait and see if they do. But nothing would be different had we eked out a win today. Except maybe some tough questions don’t get asked, at least with the force that they should.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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97 Responses to Embarrassment vs. Missed Opportunity

  1. Plz2BStateFan 10/16/2010 at 8:23 PM #

    TOB lost on purpose

    There…I said it…..

    sigh

  2. BJD95 10/16/2010 at 8:27 PM #

    I agree it was TOB’s job to get them past any lack of motivation, and he clearly failed. Pointing out the differential motivation isn’t meant to excuse it away.

  3. Clarksa 10/16/2010 at 8:28 PM #

    This loss will be the difference between playing in the Gator/Peach vs the PapaJohns bowl.

  4. WolftownVA81 10/16/2010 at 8:38 PM #

    Unless this team can radically turn things around, I won’t go to see them in any bowl. I can take a loss. I just can’t take a loss like this. Where’s the pride? We embarrassed ourselves at home in front of a national audience and now on the local front with an in-state rival. The Pirates will talk about this game for years and it won’t matter one bit that they played nearly as bad as we did. We lost to a bad ECU team. That won’t go away anytime soon. Hope our prospective recruits weren’t watching.

  5. BJD95 10/16/2010 at 8:41 PM #

    There is no way the Peach (or any other bowl that cares about attendance) shuns us for being 7-5 instead of 8-4, due to an OOC loss.

    It would only matter if it meant 6-6 instead of 7-5. Which it won’t, I am certain.

  6. blpack 10/16/2010 at 8:46 PM #

    We blew it, we weren’t ready to play. I think we did have a let down and after our last 4 weeks we should have seen it coming. That said, it shows we don’t have the mental toughness and leadership on this team yet to overcome such obstacles. Should not have lost today, but we did. Now we have time to rest, fix our many problem areas and decide if this will be an excellent season or a good season.

  7. coach13 10/16/2010 at 8:59 PM #

    Now that I have calmed some now, here is what I expected. Us to beat them 42-28 ballpark. SO, in my mind, hte defense was on pr for what I expected (in regulation). Yes they gave up big plays, but that we knew coming in. The offense was the disaster. Wilson, for as good as he is on some days, canstink it up pretty good. NO, i don’t want to hear “well he threw for 300 yards”. Hey, any avg QB is gonna throw for 300 yds if he throrw the ball 52 time. But Wilson is not the avg QB. He just has games where he looks rattled from the get go. I am serious, we had a better chance in this game had Glennon finished this thing up in the 4th Qtr. Wilson simply, simply did not have it, and chose poorly (26-52, 50%) most of the day. Coupled with idiotic play calls at inopportune times, and walla!

  8. coach13 10/16/2010 at 9:01 PM #

    I can’t wait to hear O’Brien try to talk about what a good defense ECU has. If he does, I want someone to stand up and hollar “You Lie!”.

  9. mak4dpak 10/16/2010 at 9:14 PM #

    We have lost 2 games this season, and both had one thing in common. When the game was on the line, Russell Wilson threw the game away. He was lucky the other interceptions got called back today, due to roughing the passer, and it was in the red zone too. Really don’t know why he feels he has to force passes into coverage with all the receiver options. We could easily be unbeaten. The team came out flat against ECU, and I really don’t understand why. I hope the time off will help the coaches solve our problems. FSU won’t be a gimme.

  10. golf76 10/16/2010 at 9:26 PM #

    Is it ludicrous to start Glennon against FSU and let Russell watch for a quarter or two? If I’m not mistakened Russell has had eight interceptions in the past three games. How do you correct that unless there are some consequences?

  11. albunde6 10/16/2010 at 9:59 PM #

    One word on today’s game, unacceptable. Third and two with three minutes to play in regulation. Flag, substitution infraction. Who made call to send in substitutes? Who did not call time out? I’m tired of making excuses for these coaches. I’m tired of the predictible calls from Mr. Bible.

  12. 61Packer 10/16/2010 at 10:15 PM #

    I think Wilson is our QB, regardless of what happened today. The problem with this team to me is that the coaches seem to want to run an offense geared toward a pocket passer, which Wilson is not. He’s not tall enough to see over big defenders and floats too many when he shouldn’t. Two years ago he was more effective because he ran more, but he didn’t run as much by design last season and so far this season.

    I just don’t understand some of the playcalling. We went for it on 4th and 1 on our own 30 with 5 minutes to go, and made it. Our line seemed to be moving us forward, but then instead of grinding it downfield and running out the clock we go to the WTF long passes.

    Special teams also continue to hurt us, especially weak punting. With defense our strong suit, backing up the opponent deep off punts would really strengthen our game.

    Hopefully, we can rebound against FSU, but people need to remember that for all his faults, Wilson is still a decent QB. Let’s quit comparing him to Gabriel and Rivers and accept him for what he is. We’ve still got 5 to go.

  13. BassPacker 10/16/2010 at 10:21 PM #

    Home from trip to Greenville. Absolutely unexcusable for the team as a whole to be so terrible today. I don’t care who you are playing, you give 100 percent. Nobody did in red today. Wilson was gawd awlful with his decision making…Spencer dropping passes….offense and defense did not show up. I overheard several Pirates sitting behind me make the comment O’Brien and the Pack coaches are handing this game to them on a platter. Agreed.

    On a different note, win or lose…Dowdy Ficklin stadium is the WORSE stadium I have ever been at. Who ever is in charge or designed it needs to visit C-F, or any stadium. Stood in line almost an hour just to get into THE gate to stadium, in fact missed opening kickoff. Thought I was gonna die by time I got to our seats with the maze of stairs. At a halftime went down to get a soda, it was so crowded in the just two concession area, missed opening kick off for second half standing in line !! People were complaining from such a narrow area trying to get to bathroom to concession, which was backwards having to fight thru concession line to get to bathrooms. The section over from us had the seats collaspe. Traffic leaving was backup’d for hours.

    I say this not becaused we lost, but because their stadium absolutely SUCKS….will not go back to Greenville.

  14. MrPerfectionest 10/16/2010 at 11:07 PM #

    I didn’t get to watch the game in it’s entirety, but does it not seem like the play calling is forcing Wilson to try and be a hero? I remember when we got this group of coaches the people mentioned losing these type of games and being completely and utterly frustrated about the offense and the play calling. I can’t figure it out, it’s like Bible tries to out think himself and succeeds every time. I get the impression that he doesn’t keep good statistics on what works for us in what situations and then goes to them when he needs to. The dump pass to the running back has seemed to work all year and we didn’t use it both times we could have used it at VT and today.

  15. MA Wolfpack 10/16/2010 at 11:54 PM #

    This game was meaningless to NCSU and we played like it. Glad to get out of there without any injuries. Also, we really need a week off so the bye is here at the right time. I think we’re going to play very, very well against FSU.

  16. Statefan1998 10/17/2010 at 12:39 AM #

    Anyone the excuses that loss is WRONG. That was a season breaker. This team will finish 6-6, and any pressure TOB was feeling will return. Yow should call him in and say WTF.

  17. Statefan1998 10/17/2010 at 12:45 AM #

    Carolina will smack us down with little problem.

  18. NCSU84 10/17/2010 at 1:16 AM #

    Being a 1984 NCSU grad and knowing what this game has meant (and still means) to ECU fans, I stated in a previous blog comment: “They (ECU) will play us hard…just look at the history between these two teams…we better bring our A game or it will be a long ride back to Raleigh”

    Damn, I hate it when I’m right.

  19. theTHRILL 10/17/2010 at 1:30 AM #

    There’s no way I can chalk up automatic wins vs Wake and Maryland. Not this team. Not this program.

  20. wolfonthehill 10/17/2010 at 2:15 AM #

    Guess I picked a good week to be on a European Vacation, safely away from broadcast range, eh?

    Sorry you guys had to watch it…

  21. papackman 10/17/2010 at 5:32 AM #

    this fish stinks from the head down. this team was not prepared or motivated to play ECU. there is no such thing as a quality loss. we should never dodge an in state rival. play one game at a time and be prepared. this team should be 7-0….out coached in both losses. The worst consequence of a mediocre 7-5 season is having to endure another year with Tom O’Brien.

  22. golf76 10/17/2010 at 7:46 AM #

    This one’s for some of you atheletes out there. Is there a difference between the “vision” you need for success between baseball and football? Still am having a hard time reconciling eight interceptions in the past three games with an NCAA record for consecutive games without one.

  23. Rick 10/17/2010 at 8:03 AM #

    “We have lost 2 games this season, and both had one thing in common. When the game was on the line, Russell Wilson threw the game away.”

    He had a bad game but in both our losses Bible decided to chuck it long the whole game even though it was not working. Idiotic decision.

    This loss may “not matter” but IMO it takes away all of the good will the team has built up.

    I still think TOB is a second (maybe third) tier coach who just wanted a big pay day before he retires. He has been a piss poor motivator, recruiter and tactician.

  24. PapaJohn 10/17/2010 at 8:07 AM #

    Don’t kid yourselves or rationalize this one away, this was an important game. This was a rivalry game. This is what college sports is about. And we gave it away.

    The ECU coach played in it, recognized it, and had his team well prepared for it. TOB talked about it, said he understood, but couldn’t show it on the field.

    A very embarrassing loss, and I am afraid this may be a preview of things to come. Every remaining game is a critical game to winning the division. Can TOB get them prepared for the pressure the rest of the way?

    VA Tech – Key league game, they walked over us
    ECU – Key rivalry, they walked over us.

    Show us something, TOB.

  25. PapaJohn 10/17/2010 at 8:12 AM #

    BTW, so much for that Heisman trophy Russell.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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