Looking back at spring practice

Although it’s often tough to tell what to expect from a team after watching spring practice or a spring game, those things do reveal trends which can impact how teams enter fall practice. Whether it be position battles, injuries or coaching changes (all of which NC State is and will continue to go through), spring practice periods are a good chance to take a look at where you are while also trying to figure out where you’re going.

ESPN’s Heather Dinich put together entries on each of the ACC schools following spring practice and discussed each schools prospects heading into the fall. She also put together an ACC power ranking list based on what she had seen and heard following spring periods.

NC State spring wrap up

Spring answers

1. Wilson will be back, but Mike Glennon is a capable starter. Starter Russell Wilson missed all of spring football to play baseball, but his season didn’t quite take the turn he had probably hoped, as Wilson wasn’t a starter. In his absence, Glennon impressed coach Tom O’Brien and completed 21 of 38 passes for 423 yards, three touchdowns and one interception in the Pack’s spring game. As long as Wilson picks up where he left off in 2009, it should be his job to lose.

2. Irving is back and can play. After missing last season with injuries he sustained in a serious 2009 summer car accident, it was unclear how much Irving would be able to contribute this spring. He moved to middle linebacker and eased his way back into full participation and played in half of the spring game.

3. Defensive linemen emerging. Even though all four starters from last year’s defensive line graduated, there was enough talent there this spring for optimism. Darryl Cato-Bishop, David Akinniyi, and Brian Slay impressed the staff. Their success is critical, as both J.R. Sweezy and Markus Kuhn are facing disciplinary action.

Along with the answers above, Dinich also highlighted three questions NC State will need to answer heading into fall practice in August. I’ve tried to answer them as best I can.

1.Who will run the ball?

With the injury to Brandan Barnes (dislocated ankle, surgery), this position is a lot more up in the air heading into fall practice. James Washington and Curtis Underwood will be the top two heading into practice, but neither have experience to lean on. For the first time in four or five years NC State won’t have a reliable back with experience heading into the season. Both Underwood and Washington are talented players but it’s tough to know how effective they can be. They’ve combined for 72 career carries. If Barnes can get healthy he should also be in the mix come August.

2. Punter, please?

I’ve got nothing on this one. Chris Ward can’t stay out of trouble, Jeff Ruiz is bad. Looks like it could be another year of giving up valuable field position when the offense stalls anywhere inside its own 45. Despite being an issue people don’t talk much about, this could be as important as anything heading into 2010. The Wolfpack has to improve its special teams play, period.

3. How much can the defense improve?

I’ll answer that question with another one. Can the defense get worse? My gut reaction is to say no, but if Markus Kuhn and J.R. Sweezy don’t get their crap straight, the defensive line will become a major liability in a hurry. The back seven of the defense should be vastly improved as long as all the major players (pretty much everyone projected to start as of now) stays healthy, but that won’t matter much if the front four is worse. If the front can’t get any pressure on opposing quarterbacks then even an improved back seven could look worse. If receivers have enough time they’ll find wholes in any zone.

Dinich also put together her post-spring power rankings. The Wolfpack did not fair well.

1. Virginia Tech
2. FSU
3. Miami
4. Clemson
5. Georgia Tech
6. North Carolina
7. Boston College
8. Maryland
9. Wake Forest
10. NC State
11. Duke
12. Virginia

Based on what you saw at the spring game in April, what do you think of State’s 10th place ranking?

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41 Responses to Looking back at spring practice

  1. VaWolf82 05/12/2010 at 8:17 PM #

    logic dictates that it’s going to be a long year.

    5 wins might be the high water mark this season…with 3 to 4 wins a likely scenario.

    It’s so rare that anyone around here shares my projections that I had to chime in.

    Big improvements are generally seen when kids forced to start too young one year and really blossom the next year. Along both lines, youth was not an issue and neither unit was impressive. Thus until I actually see a running game, special teams actually cover a punt/kick-off, or a defense that say actually stops someone (other than I-AA schools), then I can see no reason for optimism.

  2. ChiefJoJo 05/12/2010 at 9:01 PM #

    Wasn’t his name Travis Leggett? Not sure, but that sounds right.

    Any news on disciplinary action on Sweezy, Kuhn, Bryan, and Vermiglio? I would think all but Sweezy might get away with more minor punishment–perhaps a game suspension. Sweezy, on the other hand, probably deserves a more severe punishment after a 2nd strike in just a few months.

  3. RW4H22 05/12/2010 at 9:16 PM #

    “And in fact I cant remember us ever getting secondary players from the JUCO ranks”

    Clem Johnson was a JUCO guy.

  4. McCallum 05/12/2010 at 9:31 PM #

    Clemson is not going to be as good as you all think.

    The defense will be good but the offense has serious issues.

    McCallum

  5. choppack1 05/13/2010 at 8:14 AM #

    “Big improvements are generally seen when kids forced to start too young one year and really blossom the next year.”

    Look at the back 7 of our D.

    We had a freshman LB, 2 sophmore LBs, started 3 true freshman in the defensive backfield at one point or another and 3 RS freshmen saw extensive playing time.

    If our D can improve some – and our offense can improve some, we’ll be in a lot of games next year. We could still very well end up at 3-9 or 4-8, but we could also end up at 7-5 or better…that’s life in the ACC.

    Heck, look at Chuck’s last year – we started 2-1 in the league and were down 2 driving against Wake Forest, in their territory. We should be in the majority of our games next year – if we do the things we didn’t do last year – namely, tackle and catch catchable passes – we can have a solid year.

  6. Pack Mentality 05/13/2010 at 8:57 AM #

    Winning season or new coach – LINE IN THE SAND.

  7. leewolf 05/13/2010 at 9:15 AM #

    It is hard to say at this point. I think it is probably fair to rank us in the bottom three preseason, but beyond that I don’t know. It is all going to come down to how much (if at all) the defense has improved. The running game and O-line will be important, no doubt, but the defense is the area of most improvement needed.

    We’ll know very quickly whether this team has improved or not. If they can go on the road the second week of the season and win at UCF, I’ll feel pretty good. A loss (unless it is followed up by a win over Cincy on Thursday)…we are in for another losing season probably.

  8. Pack Mentality 05/13/2010 at 9:34 AM #

    Heather gave a very reasonable prediction. Any time someone predicts us to do well in the preseason they turn out to be way off base at the end of the year.

  9. ryebread 05/13/2010 at 9:37 AM #

    Plz2BStateFan: Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. With Fowler gone and a new AD and Chancellor in place, all coaches will start immediate evaluation. If I were AD, TOB and SL’s seasons this year would be what I’m watching the most closely.

    Should TOB notch 4 losing seasons in a row while having Russell Wilson (the 2nd best QB in school history IMHO) for three of them, then there’s going to be some SERIOUS heat on him (as there should). Also, due to his recruiting strategy, I don’t see a top flight recruiting class riding in to save him. His loyalty to staff/unwillingness to make changes to try and correct obvious problems will be the final nails in his coffin.

    I’m sorry, but if we don’t go 7-5 this year, then I don’t think that TOB is our coach the following season. It may or may not be fair, but it is my personal opinion. The fans are tired of excuses and I don’t think our new Chancellor (and hopefully our new AD) will want to hear them either.

  10. packalum44 05/13/2010 at 9:49 AM #

    ^ I feel the same way and its a real shame because TOB is likely the best we can do. I think we were all expecting to be perennial top-20ish like he had at BC. He just doesn’t “fit” here though.

    We’re going to have to go after up-and-comers the next time around and there’s much more risk there.

  11. waxhaw 05/13/2010 at 10:40 AM #

    We have a great QB and very good receivers.

    We have an experienced but (at least to date) bad secondary.
    We have a lot of questions at DL.
    We have a lot of questions at RB.
    We all assume OL will be a strength but that’s not a given.
    We all assume LB will be a strength but a lot depends on a player who hasn’t played for a year.

    Our special teams blow.

    …and we have a tough schedule.

    I don’t know how you can objectively think we will win more than 7 games. Personally, I think 7 wins would be a huge step forward and an awesome accomplishment for the team given all of the questions.

  12. ryebread 05/13/2010 at 11:47 AM #

    Waxhaw: I agree with your analysis regarding our situation (positions and schedule). I agree that 7-5 is near our ceiling for this year.

    I do think though if we suffer through another losing season, the seat will get really hot and TOB may not be our coach the following season regardless of whether its fair. The natives will be restless and rightfully so.

    If one is objectively looking for signs of hope needed to retain a coach with subpar results, he should look at the players in the system and the recruiting. I don’t think TOB and staff will be able to do that.

    I’m not sure we’ve had a significant overall talent improvement under TOB. If anything, we’re slower, smaller and have more injuries. We’ve not drastically improved in the hidden yardage game due to how bad our special teams players are. The offense has clearly improved, but how much of that is due to having an absolute stud college QB? This isn’t a pretty picture when making the argument to keep a coach — especially when the overall record isn’t that good.

    I like TOB. I want him to do well. If TOB does well, NC State does well. At this point though, I don’t have a ton of confidence.

  13. choppack1 05/13/2010 at 12:48 PM #

    “The offense has clearly improved, but how much of that is due to having an absolute stud college QB?”

    Alot. However, our offense AND record approved in TOB’s first year too.

    I’m concerned too that a) we missed out on a chance to hire someone truly special when we didn’t hire Paul Johnson, b) we hired a coach who basically came here to avoid getting run out of town by a blood-thisty AD and c) that we haven’t upgraded our talent enough to win in the next 2 years.

    This hire scared the hell out of me at the beginning. However, the improvement I saw in our first 2 years made me feel much better about the future and the man in charge. Last year was such a train wreck – it changed that feeling.

    One could argue that bad luck played a huge role in submarining our season last year – from Nate Irving’s injury to a our OC’s cancer. However, I’m a big believer that over time – talent (in the broadest sense of the word) trumps luck.

    If TOB isn’t really a great coach – we’ll struggle again badly this upcoming season. If TOB is a good coach – we’ll have a season where the record may be similar, but we won’t see any of the crap we saw vs. Duke, BC and VaTech.

  14. VaWolf82 05/13/2010 at 1:30 PM #

    “Big improvements are generally seen when kids forced to start too young one year and really blossom the next year.”

    Look at the back 7 of our D.

    I stand by my comment, but I didn’t tie it into State’s team.

    TALENTED, young kids forced to start too early often struggle at first and then come into their own. Will State’s secondary develop like the Mario Williams defenses in ’03 & ’04? I’m not optimistic, but getting Nate back (even at 75%) will certainly help.

    The other thing that the defensive improvements between ’03 and ’04 showed me is the importance of the front four on defense. A great defensive line can cover a lot of issues in the secondary…while the converse is not true.

    I expect State’s DL and OL to be below average again this year which is really driving my low expectations for the season.

  15. choppack1 05/13/2010 at 2:06 PM #

    I really think our DL’s effectiveness depends on Sweezy and Kuhn’s availability. Sweezy’s made some good plays last year.

    I was hoping for that group to be a sleeper this year…as I stated earlier, not so sure about that now.

    Nothing wrong w/ low expectations – at least you won’t be surprised.

  16. BamaPack 05/13/2010 at 7:26 PM #

    Honestly…nothing will shock me this season.

    Ok…I take that back. 8 wins or more would be shocking given these assembled parts (both on the field and the sidelines).

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