Lowe talks NIT, effort

During his weekly press conference Monday Sidney Lowe spoke about the possibility for NC State to receive an invite to the NIT following the regular season and ACC Tournament. WRAL’s Tim Hall looks at NIT possibilities here.

Postseason play has almost been reduced to a distant memory at N.C. State. Argue all day about what kind of job the head coach is doing and what direction the team is headed, but the facts are simple. The Wolfpack haven’t played in an invite-only postseason tournament since 2007.

For two seasons the Pack have gone one and done at the ACC Tournament, and that has been it. There’s been no ticket to the NIT, not even a trip to the CBI, and certainly no invite to the big dance.

Another topic of discussion Monday was the health of junior forward Tracy Smith. Smith hurt his knee in the second half of Saturday’s win over Miami. Although the injury looked fairly serious at first glance, Smith came back into the game late and helped lead NC State over the ‘Canes .

N.C. State’s leading scorer Tracy Smith banged up his right knee late in the second half of Saturday’s win at Miami. He was helped to the bench to receive treatment but he did come back in the ball game before it ended. Smith did have some soreness in the knee on Sunday. He didn’t practice today, but did take part in some light drills.

Lowe praised Smith for his toughness at the end of the Miami game.

“That’s the character of this team, all the way down the line. Every single guy. He was determined to help us win that ball game.”

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123 Responses to Lowe talks NIT, effort

  1. Rochester 03/02/2010 at 2:51 PM #

    I still don’t think it has much carryover effect. If Team A makes the NIT one year and the NCAAT the next year, the NIT probably had almost nothing to do with their improvement. Maybe they just got better players or were more experienced or caught a few more breaks.

    And anyone who argues they’d rather make a long run in the NIT than a one-and-done in the NCAAT … wow, I just can’t agree with that. Nobody counts down to Selection Monday, or whenever they announce the NIT bracket.

  2. Wulfpack 03/02/2010 at 2:58 PM #

    Per NIT Wiki:

    David Thompson, an All-American player from N.C State, called the NIT a “loser’s tournament” in 1975. N.C. State, which had been the previous year’s NCAA champion, refused to play in the tournament that year, setting something of a precedent.

  3. Pack Mentality 03/02/2010 at 2:58 PM #

    “And anyone who argues they’d rather make a long run in the NIT than a one-and-done in the NCAAT ”

    I bet you’ll notice how nobody on the NCAAT bubble makes that argument. Only those with no chance at the NCAAT would make such a laughable comment.

  4. Thinkpack17 03/02/2010 at 3:10 PM #

    “In theory, this is a good point. In reality, most of those guys aren’t likely to play much.”

    We have a 10 man rotation with 4 upperclassmen in that rotation…someone has to play. We have talent on our team, through one problem or another we have been forced to ask more of our players than they are ready to deliver.

    Josh Davis can be a good role player…but he has no business on the floor right now. Scott Wood can be a starter and a major scoring threat in this league, but we are asking a 3-star 170 pound player to get us 15 points a game…he’s not ready yet. Mays and Williams can be solid back-ups and Howell can be an ACC starter. One of the main ingredients getting these kids from where they are to where they need to be is playing in games. Being in real game-time situations. It’s not the NCAAs…but these guys are better off playing in the NIT than playing in the NCAA tourny on Playstation 3.

  5. Ed89 03/02/2010 at 3:18 PM #

    I think alot has to do with how you made the NIT. If we make the NIT by winning 6 of our last 7 or 7 of 8, that says alot. Like when we went to the ACCT final in 2007. However, for a bubble team to lose 3 of their last 4 or 4 of their last 5, and back into the NIT after missing the NCAAT, that doesn’t do anything for you. Again, we could have used the 2007 ACCT as a big building block, but not getting Chris Wright and Degand getting hurt killed us.

  6. Thinkpack17 03/02/2010 at 3:25 PM #

    Ed that’s also a great point. If we are assuming we made it to the NIT we would have to assume we will continue to win games. If anyone other than Farnold or Horner is integral that would be something positive to take into next year.

  7. LRM 03/02/2010 at 3:33 PM #

    “It’s not the NCAAs…but these guys are better off playing in the NIT than playing in the NCAA tourny on Playstation 3.”

    Touche.

  8. wufpup76 03/02/2010 at 4:14 PM #

    Tommy Amaker and Dave Odom are still hoping that their respective NIT titles will pay off this year …

    Just kidding. I think it (an NIT bid) can be a good thing, just not necessarily indicitive of future success. If this season’s team doesn’t win the ACCT (stop laughing) but they do get a chance to go to the NIT then I say go for it.

    One season of NIT doesn’t mean it’s the state of your program. However, four years of no postseason or NIT at best does. This is the state of our program. Sidney Lowe or someone has a lot of work to do to change that.

    Oh, and entertaining thread BTW.

    That is all 🙂

  9. 61Packer 03/02/2010 at 4:37 PM #

    The only way I see a significant part of the Wolfpack fan base wanting the Pack in the NIT would be for the Pack to win both games this week and then a couple in the ACC tourney, and look like a real team. Most of us would not predict this scenario of a 20-14 record and an NIT bid, though.

    The reason? Because we look like crap most of the time. Dumb plays, turnovers, little things that become big things. I’ve seen little improvement this season, other than the defensive effort in the Wake Forest game. This team doesn’t have overwhelming talent, but with better guidance, they wouldn’t be 4-10 in the league right now.

    The Elon game was nearly thrown away due to bad plays at the end of the game, namely our fouling in the final seconds, out near midcourt at that. You’d NEVER see Duke, UNC or Maryland teams do something that stupid when leading. Then the Florida game, same thing, and the game was thrown away due to dumb fouling (coaches’ strategy). Then, in the Miami game, we had a 6 point lead in the final 15 seconds or so, and what happens? They go inside and score, and we FOUL them! A SENIOR player commits his 5th foul, no less. Miami failed to make the FT, but this is the kind of junk we’ve been doing for 4 years now, STUPID stuff that costs us games.

    The recruits next season may be good, but who’s going to make them smarter?

  10. Clarksa 03/02/2010 at 6:44 PM #

    ^maybe they (the guards) are already smarter than the current bunch

  11. Clarksa 03/02/2010 at 6:58 PM #

    BTW…I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and this entry seems to be a good fit for posting something that was originally posted on April 17th, 2006:

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    Our comments section is designed to drive great conversations, share insightful comments/analysis/perspective, and serve as a place to archive information about the topic at hand. Our comments section is NOT designed to be an echo chamber for random, faceless folks from the internet to chime in with their preferences for a basketball coach (or whatever the hot topic of the day may be).

    Every entity has a mission, a goal. SFN’s mission is to be a blog, not a message board community (which is what this seems to have turned into). There are plenty of message boards (aka “idiot boards”) for folks to join if that is what they are looking for, but that is not what we are looking to become.

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    That being said, I certainly don’t agree with everything on this site, and I have been guilty at times of intentionally adding comments to “stir the pot.” SHowever, there is a lot of good information presented but it gets very tiresome to see almost every entry turned into a debate on the coaches. It doesn’t matter whether you think Coach Lowe is a saint or an idiot, you don’t have to post it over and over in story comment section or on the message board.

    I feel much better now that this has been posted. Thank You.

  12. ncsumi 03/02/2010 at 7:07 PM #

    Ditto a Clarksa

  13. Packaddict 03/02/2010 at 8:13 PM #

    When Sendek was here he recruited the same kind of players that WVU had. Why is Lowe at the bottom of the ACC every year while Huggins can take the same style players and in one year less time have WVU in the NCAA’s every year and top ten this year. I understand we need a point guard but you can clearly see the difference in the intensity of play and fundamentals. I am just not sure Lowe can ever get his team to play at that level

  14. Wulfpack 03/02/2010 at 8:36 PM #

    ^Huggins is a master motivator and a true teacher of the game. He comes from a basketball family. He got his first head coaching job at the age of 27 (Walsh U. – NAIA).

    I’m not in any way trying to make a negative statement about Lowe, but comparing the two coaches is just a *bit* of a mismatch. Huggins has won more games (655 – 7th amongst active coaches) as a head coach than Lowe has ever seen and I’m counting 16 NCAA appearances.

  15. whope90 03/02/2010 at 8:50 PM #

    Please! What is with all the Herb Sendek talk? He is gone, let’s move on.find a new coach to talk about el sid!! What is with the NIT talk? A coach talking up for a bid to the NIT? What kind of goals are these????
    I say decline the dang bid!! How do you attempt to win NCAA titles if all you want to do in your press conference is talk about deserving a NIT bid in which el sid did last year and boom they lost their last two games to Maryland of all people. First, the team needs to concentrate on not quiting at Vtech and put in a good effort and then hopefully beat BC with the gopack of buy one ticket get one free deal!! Imagine that! on senior day at a major men’s basketball conference, in order to attempt to draw fans and supporter’s they have to have a slight of hand ploy of giving away free tickets!! What is next,Five Dollar foot long sections of the arena for your friends to watch a nc state men’s conference game?
    Yes, how about a purchase of a football game ticket and you get a free ticket to a men’s basketball game, what they have done that one????

    Folks, it is a matter of priorites and ours now is accepting lame teams with hopes of going to a lame tournament(NIT) and taking a buddy to a senior day home acc game against of all acc turkeys BC which we may not be able to beat anyway!!!

    Heck, why didn’t they schedule NCCU on the last day of the season, at least the team would have a win before getting thumped at the acc t in GBO!
    NIT, are you kidding me???? Playoffs?? Who said anything about the NIT Sid did!!
    Charlie Brown, where are you when we need you, oh your coaching at NC STATE!!!

  16. Packaddict 03/02/2010 at 8:54 PM #

    Maybe it is unfair to compare Huggins and Lowe but I think the excuse of not having the right style of players after four years starts to get hard to stomach when you see it work in other places. I would really like to see Lowe succeed and get it turned around but I am starting to lose confidence that it can actually happen.

    Our fan base is so passionate about our athletics even when we don’t have much to cheer about. I would love to see the excitement that would be generated if we were relevant on a national level.

  17. Wolfy__79 03/02/2010 at 10:42 PM #

    i’m currently living in beckley wv, needless to say i see my share of wvu athletics. and i’ve taken alot about coach huggins.. some i already knew. ncsu & wvu had very similar styles of play before the new additions at HC. and you could say the players were similar too. the difference is they got bob huggins and we got sidney lowe. they have alot of differences, but the main difference would be experience. huggins, one of the best in the game, came to his alma mater with a good reputation and recruiting trails that followed him home. in his experience, he’s made his mistakes and learned from them. he is also more of a autocratic style leader. otoh, sidney came back home with no true college coaching experience.. no recruiting ties.. and mistakes yet to be made. he has also been in the nba a while, the style of play is vastly different than in college. there is noticeably less emphasis on fundamentals in the nba… did we not expect some sort of carryover from a tenured nba coach? sidney is also more of a democratic leader, although i think he will change over time. IMO, i see sidney making mistakes that you would typically see out of a younger, greener coach. i expected this, although i didn’t realize the learning curve would be so flat. so the only thing or experience i feel he’s brought from the nba are his “pipelines” for players he recruits. i think a better comparison would be with a young coach with similar college headcoaching experience.

  18. Wolfy__79 03/02/2010 at 10:43 PM #

    that said, the NIT would be good for this team. but i’m all for a game or two in the ncaa’s.

  19. kyjelly 03/03/2010 at 7:55 AM #

    “Lowe talks NIT” He is the only one mind you. If we got in it would mean winning tonight and sat and winning 3 gms in the acct and getting to the final. Sid talks a good game.

  20. Wolfy__79 03/03/2010 at 9:19 AM #

    i would agrue that winning against bc and 2 acct wins would get us close. a win tonight and 2 acct wins would have us in. tournaments like teams that finish “hot.” there are many different variations to finishing hot, but for this team these two scenarios would be close to finishing “hot!”

  21. Wulfpack 03/03/2010 at 9:45 AM #

    I don’t think there is any magic number for an NIT. They have done away with the above .500 requirement, yet no team with a losing record made it in the last few years.

    To me it’s all about how many ACC teams get an NCAA bid. The more, the better. If we only get 5 or 6 I don’t see the NIT taking 5 ACC teams. Right now VT and GT are both on the bubble. They’d easily go ahead of us IF they don’t get bids. Then it becomes a matter of competing with UNC, UVA, BC and Miami. We are 0-4 against the Cavs and Heels, not good.

  22. Wolfy__79 03/03/2010 at 10:07 AM #

    uva is floundering.. they’ll likely finish ahead of us but i don’t think we would be competing with them despite being swept. if we finish in a respectable fashion, i think we along with unc-ch will be invited.. despite the pasting in cameron coming up for the holes. up until last week i thought this vt team was different, but the end of season drop off seems to be repeating itself. gt, honestly whether they receive a ncaa bid or not.. they do not deserve one. i can see three ACC teams to the NIT with respectable finishes: gt, unc-ch, and NC STATE?

  23. Thinkpack17 03/03/2010 at 10:34 AM #

    Teams from major conferences usually have to be the higher seed in the NIT. They usually reserve the lower seeds for teams from smaller conferences. So there are a fewer spots for a team like ours.

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