Ryan Harrow has a message for Wolfpack fans

Let’s try this again.

There is a healthy amount of discussion on the forums about this already. This letter originally showed up on PackPride a couple days ago.

“To all my Wolfpack fansI want to say thank you for all the support and faith that ya’ll have in Lorenzo and I.   We are very excited to be coming to such a highly-regarded school. Lorenzo and I have talked about playing basketball at NC State together and with the rest of the players that will be there for a long time. We are looking to come in and make the team better by the hardwork we put in before practice, during practice, and after. We have winner mentalities and hopefully that will rub off on the players that are in a slump this season.

Me personally, I have always been excited about coming to NC State ever since coach Monte Towe and Coach Lowe walked into my high school gym my freshman year. Coach Lowe believed in me when a lot of coaches thought I didn’t have what it takes. Sad on those coaches behalf haha. Now I am what I am and I’m sticking beside Coach Lowe because of the loyalty he showed me. I feel if a person treats you with that much respect and has that much faith, then I must show that same courtesy back.

Myself and Lorenzo are on NC State’s blogs and forums everyday and we look to see all the support you give us, but now a days we see so much negative and it has become really discomforting to my godbrother and I. The things that are said about the fans giving up and not wanting to show the support like I know ya’ll can. I was at the Duke game. Our fans can get crazy lol. Those statements matter to me. I came to the school at first solely for Coach Lowe but when I come to see games and people are greeting me, saying ” thank you so much for joining us”, it made me realize I love the atmosphere to. These fans can get better. I hate going on the forums reading those things.

Also Lorenzo and I see the statements about coach Lowe and it really makes me think, ” what am I getting myself into”. Coach Lowe works hard and is very passionate about the game. He just needs people and players around him like Lorenzo, Luke, C.J., and me to transpire that fire onto the court. Every bad game we cannot criticize coach Lowe. It comes down to the players performing on the court. I know Coach Lowe is going to help my game and make me the best point guard I can be. But it will come in time.

The 2010 class will be a great one, especially adding to the players that’s already at the school. We will get better as the year goes on. But ya’ll have to remember, even though I think myself and Lorenzo are two of the best guards out there in the nation, we are coming into a new experience so we have to learn a little first. So if we don’t get the results ya’ll want right away, plz don’t give up on supporting the team and don’t say we need to fire the coach. We are going to be a great team and one of the best teams to come through NC State. It just takes time. I hope Lorenzo and I have not offended anybody and would hope that ya’ll understand where we are coming from. My family and Lorenzo’s family are Wolfpack until we die now, but we need support and comfort. Thank you and Go STATE!”

Tim Hall of WRAL put his thoughts about NC State’s current situation and the Ryan Harrow ordeal on WRAL Sports Fan this morning. Pretty interesting stuff.

This year is gone. It’s done. The NCAA Tournament went out the window with a six-game ACC losing streak. It has been almost a month since the Pack’s last conference win. They’ve been beat up by a depressed North Carolina team, twice. They’ve been bloodied by everyone, including Virginia and Maryland.

With five games left, the Pack has to play Maryland, Wake Forest, at Miami, at Virginia Tech and Boston College. Maybe the Wolfpack can win two of those. But it will be a fight to keep the 14-12 record at .500 by season’s end.

But look to the future. Don’t fire Sidney Lowe. Don’t kill the momentum, as small as it may seem, because the talent level is about to go up in Raleigh.

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66 Responses to Ryan Harrow has a message for Wolfpack fans

  1. travelwolf 02/16/2010 at 11:12 AM #

    Thanks formerpackplayer – a voice of reason! I don’t really understand the psychological aspects of playing at the college level, but the kind of comments I’ve read in the last month or 2 certainly aren’t helping our situation. I’m waiting until Sid gets some great guards (i.e. till next year), and will then evaluate his progress. Sometimes it’s frustrating to watch a team do so poorly, but they seem to have gotten much worse over the last 6 weeks. Was it a few bad breaks at the wrong time? Perhaps – and perhaps not. Until the last 2 or 3 games, I didn’t think that we were playing that poorly. Hopefully, things will change soon before the season ends.

    I feel sorry for the players out there – they seem to be trying very hard, but something isn’t clicking. It’s one thing to lose as a fan, it’s another to lose as a player. I just hope they keep their heads up.

  2. packfan03 02/16/2010 at 11:13 AM #

    formerpackplayer, great post.

    quacko,

    “these fans can get better”. Harrow’s right. I’m a graduate, and I’ll say it for him. If negativity towards our program is all you are offering, you need to get better. This was preceded by Harrow stating how much he “loved the atmosphere”. Harsh words, I know.

    “what am i getting myself into” is not a demand, it’s an observation. You have NOTHING to criticize him for here.

    “So if we don’t get the results ya’ll want right away, plz don’t give up on supporting the team and don’t say we need to fire the coach.” This is a request for support, again, NOTHING to criticize him for here.

    Your definition of “explicit” is incorrect. At the VERY MOST, he implied and you inferred. But more realistically, he simply wants you to support your school.

    That, he did explicitly state.

  3. VaWolf82 02/16/2010 at 11:15 AM #

    however, comparing future recruits to past failures (in different coaching regimes) does not add to this conversation.

    Comparisons to past recruits are not being made to somehow predict how the next set of recruits will perform. However, discussions of past recruits does explain why many are not willing to use recruiting rankings of kids that are not on campus when evaluating a coach.

    It really goes back to a consistent problem with many fans….they choose to ignore any data that they don’t like. Thus some evidently don’t want to admit the fact that recruiting rankings DO NOT guarantee future success.

  4. quacko 02/16/2010 at 11:21 AM #

    “don’t say we need to fire the coach”

    you cant get much more explicit than that. that’s a direct quote.

    if you dont think that’s explicit, i’d venture that you’re the one with the incorrect definition

    “what am i getting myself into”. the fact that he’s just now asking that tells me he’s not as prepared as some people think he is. if he’s just now realizing that there are passionate fans in college sports, that is not a good omen. and keep in mind this was written in the context of the quality of the fans and the things they say, specifically negative things. I’ll infer for you here, so you know the difference. it sounds like he’s unprepared for any critical observations of him, the program or the coach.

    “So if we don’t get the results ya’ll want right away, plz don’t give up on supporting the team and don’t say we need to fire the coach.” This is a request for support, again, NOTHING to criticize him for here.

    agreed, except for that pesky little request not to want to fire the coach. that is something to criticize. that is him dictating to fans how we should behave.

    But more realistically, he simply wants you to support your school.

    I’d argue that he wants support for lowe on the same level as the school.

  5. LRM 02/16/2010 at 11:28 AM #

    VaWolf,
    You clearly and concisely stated what I couldn’t. I owe ya one.

  6. Thinkpack17 02/16/2010 at 11:29 AM #

    “the fact that he’s just now asking that tells me he’s not as prepared as some people think he is. if he’s just now realizing that there are passionate fans in college sports, that is not a good omen.”

    I’m sure we can get him into a class on how to handle angry fans. I just think he assumed it would be Carolina or Duke fans that he would be making angry. I did too, actually.

  7. packfan03 02/16/2010 at 11:31 AM #

    Quacko, “don’t fire the coach” is part of “plz don’t give up on supporting the team AND don’t say we need to fire the coach”.

    If we cut out the “plz” and “and”, its explicit. That’s quite unfair to ryan.

  8. quacko 02/16/2010 at 11:41 AM #

    its explicit with the please and conjunction left in. conjunctions simply connect two independent thoughts.

    all the please does is convey some sort of politeness. it doesnt do anything to hide his intent.

  9. LRM 02/16/2010 at 11:44 AM #

    Maybe my biggest gripe is that instead of letters from recruits I’d rather get a letter from Fowler and Lowe simply saying “Thank you.”

    Instead, all I’m ever told is I need to be a better fan. And by the way, we need a check for your WPC dues.

  10. Thinkpack17 02/16/2010 at 11:46 AM #

    Quacko,

    Go home tonight, sit down at your kitchen table and say to your significant other, “Hand me my dinner.”

    Tomorrow night say, “Please hand me my dinner.”

    It will only take you two days to see the difference between a demand and a request.

  11. packfan03 02/16/2010 at 11:47 AM #

    This conversation should not devolve into a grammar lesson BUT, conjunctions are used to tie thoughts together. The use of “and” in his letter does mean that “plz” is associated with the latter remark.

    And in any event, you don’t know what harrow’s intent was.

  12. quacko 02/16/2010 at 11:55 AM #

    we’re not talking about demand v request. we’re talking about explicit versus implied.

    being two independent clauses/thoughts, we can separate them out to

    please support school…

    please “do not say we need to fire the coach”

    i dont know what his intent was, yet you are ready to ascribe some untold meaning to a direct statement, instead of taking it at face value?

    and be it request, or demand, its still a kid in high school thinking he knows better how fans should act, and has the gall to tell them. that is the notion i resent.

    i thought most of these fawning comments were full of people taking the letter at face value. now that we look a little deeper we’re all of sudden trying to find any meaning to hide his own words

    you cant have it both ways

  13. Wulfpack 02/16/2010 at 11:59 AM #

    Regardless of where most Pack fans stand, I think it’s crystal clear that we are now at a crossroads. Many said Sid would not survive a poor season this year. It appears that he will. However, it will be a different story if he doesn’t get his act together next year. This is a talented crop coming in. I sincerely hope Sid doesn’t waste yet another opportunity to get this right. All bets are off next year if he does.

  14. packfan03 02/16/2010 at 12:05 PM #

    I’m not going to comment any further on the definition of “explicit”, however, I do appreciate your perspective. With that said, I disagree.

  15. Rochester 02/16/2010 at 12:13 PM #

    Reading the comments on this string it’s a wonder any kid would want to come to NC State. Are we seriously dissecting a letter from a recruit word for word? To be suspicious of the overall intent, as BJD was, is one thing. If you can get past that and believe Harrow wrote this on his own, why would you feel the need to read into every word some horrible intent on his part?

    Get a frickin’ life, people. Seriously.

    I spend way, way too much time watching and reading about NC State basketball. I am way too obsessed over the crappy results of our disappointing team. But I draw the line somewhere way this side of taking offense at every line in a letter from Ryan Harrow.

  16. packplantpath 02/16/2010 at 12:27 PM #

    “^^^To further comment, Ryan has publically stated this numerous times. He says this in his commitment remarks at Sammy’s (which can be found on YouTube).

    Ryan Harrow to NC State happened several years ago when we were the only school that recruited him.”

    Fair enough. I don’t follow recruiting except minor excerpts I read here.

  17. quacko 02/16/2010 at 12:40 PM #

    since my comment disappeared, i’ll repost the relevant parts

    rochester: . Are we seriously dissecting a letter from a recruit word for word? To be suspicious of the overall intent, as BJD was, is one thing. If you can get past that and believe Harrow wrote this on his own, why would you feel the need to read into every word some horrible intent on his part?

    the dissection word by word was not my original intent. my original intent was the same doubts about the premise of the letter as BJD. parsing of the letter line by line, was merely evidence used to justify the original doubts

  18. WolftownVA81 02/16/2010 at 12:48 PM #

    All the valid discussion points are gone. No need to continue this conversation. In my opinion, the letter was inappropriate. Thats’ all I’ll say – out.

  19. packfan03 02/16/2010 at 12:50 PM #

    “Even a very young person can see when people are making themselves look bad as well as the team they love.”

    I agree. For the record, I don’t think Ryan conspired with Sidney and Co. behind closed doors to get this letter out there. He isn’t ordering anyone to do anything, he just feels for Coach Lowe right now. That’s all we know for sure. We can speculate, parse words, and come up with other theories, but that’s all they are – theories.

  20. quacko 02/16/2010 at 12:58 PM #

    For the record, I don’t think Ryan conspired with Sidney and Co. behind closed doors to get this letter out there.

    i dont necessarily disagree with that either, in that i doubt ryan was involved actively.
    but given the track record of the athletics department and the timing of the vote of confidence, suffice it to say i have my doubts that they werent involved.

    and it is a theory, but there’s at least some evidence behind it.

    whether anyone chooses to see that evidence, or the pattern of behavior previously, that’s their own business

  21. Barman 02/16/2010 at 1:11 PM #

    For people comparing this upcoming class to past classes that didnt live up to the hype, i offer you this. The ACC always has, and always will be a guard oriented league. None of our classes in the past 20 years have been so highly touted in the GUARD dept. I think this is what is going to seperate the upcoming class from past classes as far as getting us to the next level. I mean For example, how good can a JJ Hickson be with a freshman Javi or GG bringin the ball upcourt and starting the offense?

  22. Sw0rdf1sh 02/16/2010 at 1:27 PM #

    Nice one formerpackplayer, I like your post. We might have rolled together at sometime.

    Oh, and Natalie Nester was hot.

  23. formerpackplayer 02/16/2010 at 2:00 PM #

    Sw0rdf1sh- I didn’t want to use Nat’s name. But yeah, she was pretty hot. I see her from time to time down here. Still hot. And there’s a pretty good chance we may have rolled together. I did my fair share of partying.

    I think I’ll go back to just being an observer and maybe chiming in from time to time. But for all of you, I think you’ll find things are going to be better in time. Let’s just continue supporting our team and enjoy what’s coming. It WILL get better!

  24. Daily Update 02/16/2010 at 2:17 PM #

    Vawolf: As far as this class of recruits, I don’t care what they are ranked. I have seen Harrow play with my own eyes to see the kind of player we are adding.

    Hodge’s class does nothing but support the argument that recruits can immediately elevate a program. I am very surprised to see that experience turned around to support the opposite. NC State’s mistake wasn’t keeping Sendek to get Hodge. It was not replacing Sendek after year 7 and year 8 while Hodge was still on campus.

  25. VaWolf82 02/16/2010 at 2:45 PM #

    Of course, recruits can elevate a program….who else is going to put the ball in the basket? I’ve never discussed the Hodge class in this context, but there are a lot of kids between Dinky Proctor and Damien Wilkins that never lived up to their hype. So making coaching decisions based on recruiting rankings is just silly.

    Let’s assume for a moment that Harrow is the best PG to ever play for State. How long will he stay? What happens when he leaves in 1-4 yrs? I’ve said before that keeping a coach because of recruits is like buying a sports car because of its tires. You’re basing a long-term decision on the returns from a short-term commodity.

    Get the right coach and another PG will be on the way before Harrow leaves. As things stand now, it doesn’t look like State will have a chance at another top PG unless he comes from Sid’s pipeline.

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