NCSU basketball by the numbers

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I compiled statistics from several years to get an idea how this years team is doing compared to previous teams. I have also included numbers from the middle of the current year so we can see how ACC play changes the numbers. For fun, I added Sendek’s last year just to see how they compare.

I wanted to know if we are seeing any improvement from the basketball team. I am not going to give a lot of commentary as I hope there will be some discussion on these numbers and what they mean.

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Here are averages for the categories.

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Lastly here is the record comparison

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About Rick

1992 and 2002 graduate from NCSU. Born and raised an NCSU fan. I remember the good ol' days and they weren't in the last 20 years.

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107 Responses to NCSU basketball by the numbers

  1. Rochester 02/24/2010 at 3:21 PM #

    I guess my eyeballs don’t agree with the numbers, or maybe college basketball sucks this year in general, thereby propping the ACC up. I’ve seen a lot of pretty bad looking games involving ACC teams this year, even including ones we had nothing to do with.

  2. Pack Mentality 02/24/2010 at 3:22 PM #

    “just like this year we have a right to be angry if we do not make the NIT”

    I wish that there was no such thing as the NIT tournament. If you make the NIT tournament it means you suck. Anyone who looks at an invite to the NIT to show “improvement” will always be happy with contending for last place in the league.

    Saying the NIT means you are improved is like being excited about screwing Rosie O’Donnell. Yeah, you got laid, but who are you really going to brag about it to.

  3. burnbarn 02/24/2010 at 3:24 PM #

    bball is looking a lot like Fball… a lot of solid teams but no elite. We usually have at least two elite teams..Football, we have none.

  4. Rochester 02/24/2010 at 3:40 PM #

    Pack Mentality, you might be onto something. Maybe to properly motivate our team we can bring Rosie O’Donnell into the locker room. They only have to screw her if we lose. I bet they’d find a way to post a lot of W’s.

  5. choppack1 02/24/2010 at 3:50 PM #

    yea – we could still end up w/ 7 bids to the NCAAs…but I see only 2-3 Sweet 16 teams in there – and of those, I don’t know how many can advance much farther. If you buy the bit about guard play – both VaTech and UMd will go as far as their guards can take them.

  6. Texpack 02/24/2010 at 3:56 PM #

    This season has played out exactly as I thought it would when I said that we would be as good as our 3 pt shooting was. Everybody sees the simple impact of making a few 3’s on the game you are playing. Remember that Duke chose to play Tracy Smith straight up all game right after Scott Wood went off against FSU. That shooting performance was worth 1.5 conference wins IMHO.

    I really wanted Sidney to be successful, but I don’t see how anybody could argue with firing him at the end of this season. The only basis for keeping him is to see if good guards will make a difference.

  7. JeremyH 02/24/2010 at 4:00 PM #

    well does the NCAA selection committee use kenpom’s RPI, or the AP top 25, or both, in their selection process?

  8. Wulfpack 02/24/2010 at 4:15 PM #

    2-3 ACC teams in the Sweet 16? Those are awfully lofty goals for this season.

  9. RabidWolf 02/24/2010 at 4:36 PM #

    Outside the topic, but I just wanted to send out kudos for the NC State hockey team. They took third place in the ACCHL tournament with an 8-6 victory over UNX. The squad finished the regular season with a 6-0-2 league record, a 9-9-0-1-1 overall record, and had the league’s offensive MVP in Dan Masiulis (18 G, 19 A).

  10. PackerInRussia 02/24/2010 at 4:50 PM #

    “Wall and other PGs that make a first year impact are physically able to. They are big and mature.
    Harrow is neither of those. He gets a lot of his points (in the two games I saw) by driving to the basket. He is going to struggle with that in the ACC if not get outright hurt.”

    “Rick – obviously you haven’t taken into account the excellent S&C he’ll be exposed to when he arrives here in Raleigh.”

    Brandon Costner had no problem gaining weight between his freshman and sophomore years.

  11. PackerInRussia 02/24/2010 at 5:05 PM #

    That’s interesting that kenpom has 6 teams in the top 25 and the polls have one. It always seems that the timing and pattern of the losses contribute to whether a team can get in or stay in the top 25. Losing one and then winning one (fairly consistently) tends to keep teams where they are – either in the lower part of the top 25 if they’re perceived as a good team or out of the top 25 if they hadn’t been in previously. If you took a stretch of 4 games and a team lost one, won one, lost one, and then won one, if they were in the top 25, they’d probably still be there. If they won two and then lost two, they’d probably drop out (if they were close) even if the losses were to the same teams. That’s all speculative of course. No hard data to back it up.

  12. wolfmanmat 02/24/2010 at 6:13 PM #

    The argument that Harrow is not strong enough to play PG is not great IMO. He’s 6’0 and 170. Wall is 6’4 and 195; Paul is 6’0 and 175 in college. Harrow will beef up before next fall at least 5 pounds, which puts him about Paul’s build in college. Now, he can’t pass like Paul, but he is a better scorer than Paul was at WFU. The argument about “successful freshman” PGs really is about the surrounding talent. Paul had talent around him that fit his game…Wall has nothing but studs around him…Derrick Rose had studs around him. Next year, Harrow/Brown/Smith/Wood/Howell will be a STRONG team. The reason: the ALL can score. The competition won’t be able to double Tracy all day because currently we have only 2 scorers(Wood/Smith). They won’t be able to leave Harrow or LB to cover Wood off a screen. We will have scorers…..look at UNX this year; they have 2 guys on the court that can’t score themselves(see Marcus and Will)…it kills a team; and it has killed us this year. Next year will be much different.

  13. ryebread 02/24/2010 at 6:17 PM #

    While I love Ken Pomeroy’s site, I’d disagree that this is a good year for the ACC. It’s a weak year for the league. We lost a lot of top level talent. The games are not played at nearly the level they were last year. We didn’t exactly tear it up in the non-conference, lost to the Big 10 in the challenge, have no real championship contender and have had a couple of our best teams get destroyed by Big East teams (Duke and MD).

    I do think that the quality of college basketball is down across the board this year. Just look at the PAC10 as an indicator. Also look at the number of mid-majors or non-traditional powers that have been ranked. It’s probably one of the most turbulent years in my memory.

    I’ve watched most of the top teams play this year and I don’t see a ton of great basketball. I think that Kansas, the trio of Big East teams (Syracuse, Nova and Georgetown) and Kentucky are the only legitimate title contenders.

    Texas has a ton of talent, but has underperformed. Duke isn’t athletic enough. Gonzaga is tough, but got destroyed at Duke. I’m not sold on Purdue. These are the B-list teams. Outside of that, nothing would surprise me.

    As for NC State, it’s debatable as to whether we’ve improved. I actually think we play better, but we have considerably less talent. I guess that’s progress, but it’s the kind that comes with giving every kid a trophy in sports.

    We do have consistent flaws on defense under the SL era. This has been the most glaring issue of his tenure and I’ve not seen it improve this year. We just don’t play fundamentally sound, hard nosed, aggressive defense and instead prefer a rather passive, NBA based style. I’ve said the last two offseasons that we should make a staff change and hire a defensive minded assistant. I’ve yet to see it happen, continue to hope that it might, but don’t expect that it will.

  14. Pacobee 02/24/2010 at 6:30 PM #

    I have to say that I’m torn. I can see the logic in giving Lowe one more year with the talent coming in. The fan in me wants him gone, but only if we can get a package deal to take Fowler with him. My concern with the later option is Fowler will stay and the recruits will go elsewhere without Sid. Having a name coach on the hook before canning Sid is not something Lee could/would pull off. This is the same guy that paid a search firm $35000 to recruit TOB. I’m pleased with TOB, but 35g’s to pay someone else to do your job? Argggh.

    Back on track. I’m ready for Lowe to put as much effort in coaching a complete game as he does in selecting his clothes. Given Jimmy V’s defenses of old, I’m suprised more didn’t rub off.

    A little more than six months to the football opener…

    Paco

  15. 61Packer 02/24/2010 at 6:30 PM #

    With or without all these numbers, Sidney Lowe still has not only the lowest conference winning percentage in his first 4 years of any coach in the ACC, but also in the 100 year history of NC State basketball.

    Why any reasonable-minded Wolfpack fan who has higher expectations than the NIT or CBI would want more of the 17-43 ACC misery for another season or beyond escapes me completely.

    My latest Wolfpacker Magazine noted that the Pack’s BEST b-ball team of the past decade was 21-14 overall and 7-9 in the ACC. And if you think the last decade of Wolfpack basketball was dismal, look at the 1990s.

    Not only has our b-ball program gone to hell, but our expectations have too. We’re going to bring this same coaching staff and team back next season, excepting Horner and Degand, then add 3 hotshot freshman guards, and presto! We’re headed for the top of the ACC!!!

    I can hardly wait!

  16. Rochester 02/24/2010 at 7:08 PM #

    A poem, by S. Lowe

    Here I sit, brokenhearted
    Tried to sh*t but only farted
    Returned to my alma mater
    Every game became a slaughter
    Replaced the old weave and heave
    Now the fans want me to leave
    They’ll never love me quite like V
    At least they don’t hate me like Lee

  17. JeremyH 02/24/2010 at 7:09 PM #

    I found this post on cnnsi’s fan nation thing about Roy Williams:

    “Some coaches have to have elite talent to win. Others don’t need NBA-caliber players and still get the job done. Roy seems to be the former, while Coach K, is the latter. Roy’s signature is the fastbreak and secondary break. Give him a speedy PG (Felton, Lawson) and they’re off and running. However, I haven’t seen his players develop like they should. I know they’re young, but with the talent they have, they should be playing better. There’s no excuse for it. After all, the ACC is down this year, not nearly as low as the PAC 10, but the level of play is far below what it has been.”

    By the rational of some of us here, for these reasons Roy Williams should be fired. What was that? He shouldn’t be because UNC is a better job, recruits FOR him on name brand alone, so he will get the players he needs..whereas Sid has to work very hard to bring in top talent (and is starting to)? Why didn’t you say so?

  18. Rochester 02/24/2010 at 7:15 PM #

    What was that? You say Roy Williams has won two national championships in the last five years? You say Sidney Lowe has never finished higher than 10th place? Why didn’t you say so?

  19. JeremyH 02/24/2010 at 7:19 PM #

    Justin Gainey could win two with that group. Does he have room in his trophy case with all those championships from Kansas?

  20. whope90 02/24/2010 at 11:26 PM #

    With one win over Wake everyone is talking about NIT bubble and cbi/cbt act,abc 123?
    Good showing of stats of the team’s demise over four years since herb. We have gone downhill with lowe and as the saying goes:”stats don’t lie”

    Until there is a coaching change and we get a real college coach, it will still be wishful thinking about WTNY with alot of pressure on the Ryan Harrow kid! All our hopes on one recruit?

    Yes,Smith is coming back for his senior season? Why not,did he really think he was going to be drafted? To me,he should be a better scorer and rebounder,what does the future hold for Howell? He seems to be unhappy about his playing time as Horner plays more? i don’t understand why horner plays at all.When he tried to put up a shot against wake on the inside, Dave Odom stated”he shot that like a wing player,did not go up strong,” funny he did the same thing in the ACC opener at Wake,pump fake two three times and blows a layup inside?

    We need a coach and maybe if TEXAS swoon continues, Rick Barnes may think about it. I hope he does and we spend the funds to get him.
    If there is one thing about Barnes, his teams at Clemson and Texas played hard and physical and were tough. Sometimes when”your not hitting shots”that type of play helps. Look at clemson, going for their fourth straight 20 win season in BASKETBALL.

    I am not a roy williams fan,but to harp on the guy during this bad season at unX is nutty. UNX has the top player coming in and the third overall and the 21st and we are happy for Ryan Harrow?

    What will happen to WTNY when we are still in the cellar with Lowe and
    Ryan Harrow???
    What will be the excuse then????

  21. choppack1 02/25/2010 at 9:35 AM #

    “The argument that Harrow is not strong enough to play PG is not great IMO. He’s 6′0 and 170. Wall is 6′4 and 195; Paul is 6′0 and 175 in college. Harrow will beef up before next fall at least 5 pounds, which puts him about Paul’s build in college. Now, he can’t pass like Paul, but he is a better scorer than Paul was at WFU. ”

    Unless Harrow recently put on 12 lbs, he’s 158 – and he barely looks 158.

    Regarding comparison’s to Paul – I know he scored 65 points in a high school game to honor his grandfather. I’d say that’s a pretty good scorer.

    Chris Paul was the best pound for pound PG to play in the ACC in a long time.

  22. D_Medlin 02/25/2010 at 10:13 AM #

    After being sick for a couple weeks back in late December and early January, Harrow might not even be 158.

  23. Rick 02/25/2010 at 11:31 AM #

    I have seen Harrow and he looks like Urkel. Not the cool athletic one but the skinny one.

    I am not hating on the kid. I am just saying he is very small and it is my opinion that he will struggle some in the ACC. I might be wrong, I have been wrong before.
    I can see a Jeff Teague type progression.

  24. choppack1 02/25/2010 at 1:21 PM #

    Rick – if he’s like Jeff Teague – we’ll be in excellent shape. He was very solid his freshman year.

    I think he’ll be a player – but I think “D” will be tough on him. I haven’t seen his game in person – from what I’ve read and seen – I’m pretty excited about him playing for us – he’ll definitely have to change his game though.

  25. Rick 02/25/2010 at 3:20 PM #

    Teague was OK his frosh year but did not lighe the world on fire like he did his soph year. IMO we need RH to be like soph JT in order to make the NCAA.

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