NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

On a night when even the NC State dance team couldn’t get its act together and Richard Howell couldn’t make it out of the tunnel for warm ups, the basketball team could do little right in a 20-point loss to the Hokies of Virginia Tech. The 72-52 defeat marks the fifth straight ACC loss for the Pack and puts the Pack in last place in the ACC at 2-8, just a half game behind 2-7 North Carolina. The Tar Heels fell to Duke by 10 Wednesday night in Chapel Hill.

Howell, scheduled to start for Dennis Horner, cut his leg on the way out to warm up and had to receive stitches.

“Richard was going to start and on his way out to the floor for warm ups he cut his leg on something and cut a big gash in his leg and had to get stitches,” Sidney Lowe said. “He tried to go but he couldn’t really run and couldn’t get back on defense. We’ll see how he feels tomorrow and it will be day-to-day.”

Virginia Tech wasted little time Wednesday night, hitting its first 10 shots and building a 26-7 lead with 10:59 left in the first half. The Hokies shot nearly 53% from the field for the night and better than 42% from three point range. NC State’s stat line couldn’t have been more different — 28% shooting and 0-11 from behind the arc.

Josh Davis said the team needs to start games better to get things turned around.

“We just have to come out harder, it’s tough to pick up the energy from the start. I’m not really sure what’s going on we just have to practice and work hard and we just can’t keep doing this,” he said. “[Lowe] just told us the truth, things we have to work on. We’ll have spurts in the middle of the game but we just have to play like that the whole game.”

NC State cut the lead to seven at 38-31 with 17:50 left in the second half, but Virginia Tech promptly went on an 11 to one run to stretch the lead to 17. NC State never got any closer than 13 the rest of the way.

The lone bright spot for the Wolfpack as a team came on the glass, as NC State held a 45-37 edge and collected 27 offensive rebounds. And while did create second chance opportunities by hitting the glass, the Pack could only generate 12 second chance points.

“We didn’t convert as many as we needed to but it certainly says we were battling,” Lowe said. “That’s a very good ball club with arguably the best back court in our conference. It’s a very good team.”

Dorenzo Hudson and Malcolm Delaney led the way for the Hokies. Hudson scored 14 of his team-high 23 points in the second half and Delaney tallied 15, with 10 coming in the second 20 minutes.

Dennis Horner did much of the work on the glass for the Wolfpack, pulling down 16 rebounds (nine offensive) while also scoring 13 points. Josh Davis and Tracy Smith both scored 12. No other member of the Wolfpack broke into double figures. Farnold Degand, Javier Gonzalez and Scott Wood shot 2 of 19 combined in 70 minutes.

“They punched us in the mouth and we just sat there and looked at them while we were bleeding. It’s tough. We’re going to have to get this turned around somehow,” Wood said. “If you ask me I’ve played terrible. This is probably the worst season I’ve had in my life. I don’t know what’s gone wrong. Instead of shooting 500 shots a day I’m going to have to start shooting 1,000.”

Lowe, who was visibly frustrated following the game, said there is nothing to do but keep working.

“I don’t feel helpless. You go to work, that’s my job. The thing that’s frustrating is you can’t shoot the ball for them, and we shoot a lot in practice. You can’t get out there and do it for them,” he said. “You can’t make decisions for them. You try to put them in situations, you work on passing to the post and that’s all you can do. I don’t feel helpless because you just go back to work, there is another game coming.”

The Wolfpack hits the road again following tonight’s game and will take on Carolina in Chapel Hill Saturday. Tip-off is at 4 p.m.

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207 Responses to NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

  1. Pack Mentality 02/11/2010 at 2:55 PM #

    So the choices are:

    1) Keep Sid and keep the recruiting class. We will still suck because good talent without any system or a coach that can help team chemistry or teach the college game to kids just out of high school goes nowhere.

    2) Hire a new coach and lose the recruiting class. We will suck because we have no talent. Hopefully we will have a brighter future. I do not believe that it should take years to be able to start recruiting. Hopefully the new guy will start recruiting right from the start. And if he’s a good coach he will get the most out of his players that he does have.

    Sid has already recruited and coached a 1st round NBA player. We all know Fells had athletic talent. I don’t need to go through the laundry list of players that were supposed to be good. Are you really telling me that in every case it was a matter of the player being a lazy, uncaring bad attitude case. Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t college coaches supposed to get the most out of their players. When it ALWAYS happens with every player, maybe it’s the coach!

    But wait…we do have a good class coming in.

  2. Wulfpack 02/11/2010 at 2:57 PM #

    I do think it will get worse. This team has quit, and the Heels are going to kick the crap out of us (again) in the crap dome, and our last place finish will essentially be cemented. UNC sucks, yes, but we suck a whole lot worse, and this team has lost its fight. We then get pounded by the Terps for yet another home loss. I think we have 2 more chances for wins against Miami and BC. When you’re hoping for a 4-12 record, that’s damning evidence that the program is dead.

  3. Noah 02/11/2010 at 2:59 PM #

    BTW, for those that don’t remember them…Sean Green was a 6-5 small forward. He had a 42-inch vertical jump and was a pretty good shooter. He was an extremely good defensive player both at Iona and with the Pacers. Just a spectacular athlete.

    Byron Tucker was about 6-9 and could play either power forward or center. He had a nice shooting touch and was a very good rebounder and shot-blocker. Not a marquee scorer, but he could contribute.

    Tucker would have been a vast upgrade over Brian D’Amico. And we could have had a frontline of Tucker, Lester and Green that would have been just out-of-this-world athletic.

  4. packfan03 02/11/2010 at 3:01 PM #

    “With at least 7 games left, Lowe has won 21. He needs to win 6 games to equal Sendek’s total.”

    I think most would agree with a statement suggesting the numbers are “similar”. Look, there’s validity in any argument beginning with “NC State is not meeting it’s potential as a program”. I won’t disagree, but firing Lowe THIS SEASON, is not a smart move.

  5. bradleyb123 02/11/2010 at 3:04 PM #

    I actually think we could be a lot better next year, but even if we are, it will be DESPITE Sidney Lowe. Some believe Roy Williams isn’t the greatest coach, he just usually has great players. Next year, that may just be the case with Sidney. But with a better coach, those same good players would be even better.

    Sidney must go, but again, not until Fowler is gone and replaced with a guy that will go after a big-name, proven coach. A school like NC State should NEVER be a place where a coach learns how to coach. Prove yourself somewhere else, then come here.

  6. Wulfpack 02/11/2010 at 3:05 PM #

    “but firing Lowe THIS SEASON, is not a smart move.”

    It’s absolutely idiotic to bring him back. The returns are in from all precincts and it was a landlside. The man cannot coach, not 4 years ago, not today, not tomorrow, and not a year from now. Come to grips with it. Most of us have. Many the day he was hired.

  7. bradleyb123 02/11/2010 at 3:08 PM #

    packfan03, I used to agree with what you’re saying. I thought keeping Sidney until the 2010 recruits are all signed and enrolled would be the way to go. But Sidney blows. I’ve abandoned that mentality. But again, only if we dump Fowler first. He doesn’t get another chance to hire a basketball coach for us. I say let him retire and go fishing, and no longer on our dime.

    If we bring in a big, name coach, he should be able to keep our 2010 recruits. If not, well, that’s a chance we take. I don’t want Sidney to get another year here. He clearly doesn’t know what he’s doing. But he likes to dress sharp and sound good on his coaches shows. But when it comes to coaching, the man doesn’t know what he’s doing.

  8. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 3:09 PM #

    “There’s plenty of evidence in the comments made here that plenty of people had high expectations for this season….all the way to the end of January.”

    Those were the same 4 people posting over an over. Some suggested that we could be ok…maybe. If this, this and this happened. But no one really EXPECTED us to be any good. Except for those 4 people.

  9. Noah 02/11/2010 at 3:13 PM #

    “If we bring in a big, name coach, he should be able to keep our 2010 recruits.”

    I don’t believe there is any way we will bring in a big name coach. And I know there is no way the next coach would keep those players.

  10. JaxPackMan 02/11/2010 at 3:15 PM #

    My bad packbackr04. You are correct. He left on his own. But it wasn’t exactly a love fest for Herbie even after his high water mark beating UCONN. So when he left for the heat of the Arizona desert it was easy since his pants were already on fire after sitting on the hot seat over in the Case center or where ever the heck his office was. I was just saying it didn’t appear that there was a high profile guy off stage ready to step in, and after much searching, we ended up with an alum with a heart and soul as big a Reynolds Coliseum but no track record as a college coach.

  11. mwcric 02/11/2010 at 3:16 PM #

    I repeat my earlier comment – why is it from March through October of every year I hear about how this next incoming recruiting class is so loaded with talent and it’s going to be the beginning of the answers to our problems…but from November through February of every year I hear how we are the least-talented team in the conference? I’m not trying to be funny. I truly don’t understand this.

    From Scout.com:
    2002 Class – Bennerman 4 stars/23rd nationally, Mejia 4 stars (transferred), Simons 3 stars (transferred), Flatt 3 stars (transferred)
    2003 Class – O’Donnell 2 stars (transferred)
    2004 Class – Simmons 5 stars/4th nationally (left early), Brackman 4 stars/7th nationally (left early), Grant 4 stars/14th nationally
    2005 Class – Costner 5 stars/6th nationally (left early), Fells 4 stars/9th nationally, McCauley 4 stars/24th nationally
    2006 Class – Horner 3 stars/22 nationally, Lewandowski 2 stars (transferred)
    2007 Class – Hickson 5 stars/3 nationally, Smith 4 stars/18th nationally, Gonzalez 3 stars/30th nationally, Thomas 3 stars/40th nationally
    2008 Class – Williams 3 stars/28th nationally, Mays 3 stars
    2009 Class – Brown 4 stars/6th nationally, Howell 4 stars/16th nationally, Painter 4 stars/20th nationally, Wood 3 stars/30th nationally, Vandenburg 2 stars, Davis 1 star
    2010 Class – Harrow 5 stars/8th nationally, Cothran 4 stars/13th nationally

    I see a lot of projected talent here; it’s a little hard to believe that it’s just a wacky coincidence that NONE of these four or five-star players, or even the three stars, lived up to expectations. Recruiting services aren’t that wrong, that often. Talent is innate; developing that talent is what coaches are for.

    The problem I see is keeping the talent around – only five of the first 14 players on this list used all of their eligibility at NC State. What makes any of you think the five-star recruits on the horizon will A) live up to expectations; B) develop once on campus; or C) stay for four years? In other words, why will this year’s class or next year’s be any different from the previous eight?!?

  12. mwcric 02/11/2010 at 3:21 PM #

    Lowe’s biggest problem this year is that he, in fact, exceeded expectations through the Duke game. We laid eggs against Northwestern and Wake, and even in those games there was reason to stick around and watch because we didn’t totally roll over and play dead. The issue is that we were given a demonstration through the first 2.5 months of the season that this team DOES have talent, that it DOES have heart and soul and that it DOES hustle and care.

    And then came the Maryland game. It is literally night and day, which to me would suggest something going on, once again, behind the scenes. Post-Duke this has been the JJ Hickson season all over again – but the players keep changing while the staff stays the same. Do the math.

  13. JT 02/11/2010 at 3:25 PM #

    To go from the 2nd half with Clemson and beating Duke to where the team is now is mind boggling. Losing to UNC was pathetic. Getting swept by UVA is horrible. Getting wiped by 20 by Va Tech at home is rock bottom, even if Va Tech is pretty good. That was an awful game and from about 15 minutes to the end I got no sense that State was laying it out there. It looked like they quit, and it looked like Lowe has lost what would be a mediocre team anyway. It’s unfortunate that this is the first team he claims as his own product, because the trend of losing teams has continued. Out of all the games, this was the biggest downer and the greatest harbinger of doom.

  14. Pack Mentality 02/11/2010 at 3:26 PM #

    Think of the best teams in the ACC this past decade that won a national title. Duke, Maryland, Carolina, whoever. Now if you put Lowe as the coach of those teams I think the teams would be rife with bad attitudes and no player development or scheme for them to fit in. Lowe wouldn’t have made the Sweet 16 with any of those teams IMO.

  15. packfan03 02/11/2010 at 3:29 PM #

    “It’s absolutely idiotic to bring him back.”

    I understand this sentiment, but it truly doesn’t make sense to do this unless Fowler is gone. If Fowler is here, we’ll have another bad hire. I disagreed with the Sidney hire and still do. But after seeing four years of squads that were out matched night-in and night-out, I want to see Brown and Harrow. With a quality PG, Sid’s system was effective – actually, very effective. Given Atsur all four years, instead of just one (and an injury riddled one), who knows what Sid could do.

    I think as State fans, we didn’t deserve to go through these growing pains. As bradleyb123 stated, our basketball history should make the hiring process fairly simple if executed appropriately. Unfortunately, this will never be the case with Fowler at the helm.

    bradleyb123, I know how frustrated you are – I’m right there with you. But comments such as “I actually think we could be a lot better next year, but even if we are, it will be DESPITE Sidney Lowe” are symptomatic of the mentality of NC State fans in general. Results are not subjective, they simply exist. If we do well next year, Coach Lowe deserves praise. Conversely, results falling below expectations should demand swift action (two phone calls – one to Fowler, one to Lowe).

    Our team is the least talented team in the league – we get plenty of open looks, but we don’t knock them down. It’s Sidney’s fault we don’t have talent this year, and it will be Sidney’s “fault” when we do have talent next year.

  16. packfan03 02/11/2010 at 3:32 PM #

    Pack Mentality,

    Coach Lowe has never had the opportunity to coach a team with talent exceeding those of his competitors. I’m not saying your statements are ridiculous (regarding the placement of Lowe on other contenders teams), but you really won’t know until he has a roster filled with 4/5 star recruits.

    Also, hate them as I may, Coach K/Roy are two of the best in the biz. I don’t think there are many coaches that could fill their shoes.

  17. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 3:33 PM #

    mwcric,

    There are players in your list that were good players for us.

    “it’s a little hard to believe that it’s just a wacky coincidence that NONE of these four or five-star players, or even the three stars, lived up to expectations.”

    I think many of those guys lived up to expectations.

  18. packfan03 02/11/2010 at 3:36 PM #

    Additionally, my intent is not to be a “Lowe” supporter, but a constructive critic. I will not be upset if Lowe is fired – I will only be upset if Fowler is the one performing the search.

    Lowe’s record has justified his exodus, however, I am intrigued enough by the recruiting paths he has opened and our upcoming classes to give him one more season.

  19. Pack Mentality 02/11/2010 at 3:38 PM #

    packfan03:

    I understand your point. I was not trying to say Lowe should perform as well as Roy and K do. I was merely throwing out the hypothetical of giving him a team full of 4 and 5 star recruits, like they have on their teams. In this hypothetical situation I do not believe that he would have good results (because he is a poor coach regardless of the level of talent).

  20. Rochester 02/11/2010 at 3:41 PM #

    Anyone remember last year’s rallying cry “wait until Sid has all his own players”? These guys are all his, with the exception of Horner, who was originally recruited by Sendek. Now it’s “wait until the good recruits are here.” What will it be next year?

  21. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 3:56 PM #

    “Now it’s “wait until the good recruits are here.” What will it be next year?”

    If Sid tanks next year with two 5* recruits in his backcourt I don’t think you will be getting much resistance with the fire Lowe sentiment. At least not on this website.

  22. choppack1 02/11/2010 at 3:57 PM #

    Rochester – I imagine that next year something will happen that will string us along for another year. Maybe we can 7-9 and go to the NIT – then we’re told we need to stick it out for another year.

    Look, I really want to see Harrow and Brown wear red and white – but I need evidence to suggest that any team Lowe coaches will play hard enough to have even .500 record in the ACC.

  23. Ed89 02/11/2010 at 3:57 PM #

    ^^^What will it be next year?

    Wait til Harrow and Brown are upperclassmen.

  24. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 4:00 PM #

    Keep in mind next year we will be in an odd year. That means AT Cameron and AT Littlejohn. Yeesh.

  25. whitefang 02/11/2010 at 4:03 PM #

    I think Noah is correct. I don’t think we can bring in a “big name” coach unless he is seriously tainted with or without Fowler. Certainly with LF there is NO chance. At the same time there are several young, mid-major type college coaches who would be a huge upgrade in coaching ability and record. This Lowe experiment is a complete failure and needs to be put out of its misery no matter the short term recruiting effect.
    I’ve said it before: where NC State is today in its basketball program I have a hard time seeing how we could do worse. Ray Charles would be an improvement.

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