NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

On a night when even the NC State dance team couldn’t get its act together and Richard Howell couldn’t make it out of the tunnel for warm ups, the basketball team could do little right in a 20-point loss to the Hokies of Virginia Tech. The 72-52 defeat marks the fifth straight ACC loss for the Pack and puts the Pack in last place in the ACC at 2-8, just a half game behind 2-7 North Carolina. The Tar Heels fell to Duke by 10 Wednesday night in Chapel Hill.

Howell, scheduled to start for Dennis Horner, cut his leg on the way out to warm up and had to receive stitches.

“Richard was going to start and on his way out to the floor for warm ups he cut his leg on something and cut a big gash in his leg and had to get stitches,” Sidney Lowe said. “He tried to go but he couldn’t really run and couldn’t get back on defense. We’ll see how he feels tomorrow and it will be day-to-day.”

Virginia Tech wasted little time Wednesday night, hitting its first 10 shots and building a 26-7 lead with 10:59 left in the first half. The Hokies shot nearly 53% from the field for the night and better than 42% from three point range. NC State’s stat line couldn’t have been more different — 28% shooting and 0-11 from behind the arc.

Josh Davis said the team needs to start games better to get things turned around.

“We just have to come out harder, it’s tough to pick up the energy from the start. I’m not really sure what’s going on we just have to practice and work hard and we just can’t keep doing this,” he said. “[Lowe] just told us the truth, things we have to work on. We’ll have spurts in the middle of the game but we just have to play like that the whole game.”

NC State cut the lead to seven at 38-31 with 17:50 left in the second half, but Virginia Tech promptly went on an 11 to one run to stretch the lead to 17. NC State never got any closer than 13 the rest of the way.

The lone bright spot for the Wolfpack as a team came on the glass, as NC State held a 45-37 edge and collected 27 offensive rebounds. And while did create second chance opportunities by hitting the glass, the Pack could only generate 12 second chance points.

“We didn’t convert as many as we needed to but it certainly says we were battling,” Lowe said. “That’s a very good ball club with arguably the best back court in our conference. It’s a very good team.”

Dorenzo Hudson and Malcolm Delaney led the way for the Hokies. Hudson scored 14 of his team-high 23 points in the second half and Delaney tallied 15, with 10 coming in the second 20 minutes.

Dennis Horner did much of the work on the glass for the Wolfpack, pulling down 16 rebounds (nine offensive) while also scoring 13 points. Josh Davis and Tracy Smith both scored 12. No other member of the Wolfpack broke into double figures. Farnold Degand, Javier Gonzalez and Scott Wood shot 2 of 19 combined in 70 minutes.

“They punched us in the mouth and we just sat there and looked at them while we were bleeding. It’s tough. We’re going to have to get this turned around somehow,” Wood said. “If you ask me I’ve played terrible. This is probably the worst season I’ve had in my life. I don’t know what’s gone wrong. Instead of shooting 500 shots a day I’m going to have to start shooting 1,000.”

Lowe, who was visibly frustrated following the game, said there is nothing to do but keep working.

“I don’t feel helpless. You go to work, that’s my job. The thing that’s frustrating is you can’t shoot the ball for them, and we shoot a lot in practice. You can’t get out there and do it for them,” he said. “You can’t make decisions for them. You try to put them in situations, you work on passing to the post and that’s all you can do. I don’t feel helpless because you just go back to work, there is another game coming.”

The Wolfpack hits the road again following tonight’s game and will take on Carolina in Chapel Hill Saturday. Tip-off is at 4 p.m.

09-10 Basketball ACC & Other

207 Responses to NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

  1. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 12:00 PM #

    “17 – I certainly they are more likely to not transfer than to simply renege on their LOIs. But that’s not a sure thing, by any means.”

    With the position we are in there aren’t a lot of sure things…at least not positive sure things. We all are just throwing crap at the wall here. None of us know for certain how to get out of the hole, it’s all hope at this point and obviously different things are going to give different people hope. The canning of Lowe will give some people hope, not so for me. Unless he is replaced by a Rick Barnes or a Mike Anderson I don’t care to see it. Ryan and Lo Brown give me hope…and God help me I know I will be at the RBC watching them if they are here next year.

  2. ADVENTUROO 02/11/2010 at 12:21 PM #

    Observations from the NOT cheap seats….

    Fans were really great last night….they were noisy, despite being short on attendance. They were loud and reasonably well behaved.

    If we could score the Refs, they lost by over 100….This was the WORST officiated game that I have seen. In some cases, I think the Refs are trying to get back at Sid….he was “public” with his outburst. I guess the Refs can take being called the lowest X$%^(@!A#+0~ in the world by Roy and Mikey…but visually protest a call….WELL, that tells the world that they suck. Maybe we SHOULD just NOT PLAY at UNX next weekend as a protest to the $hitty calling.

    OK…The refs did NOT lose the game for us. We did that in the first 5 minutes. The rotating lineup may be causing issues. If I was Horner and had been benched but saved due to clumsiness, then I probably would take a little time to get on track. BUT, he played with a vengenance. He and Josh Davis were the ONLY bright spots last night. Farnald looks tenative…maybe the injury is really impacting him.

    Scott Wood…OK, bring out the BIG coin. He really needs to get over his “slump”, but in all fairness, he has NOT had that many opportunites. Maybe we need to change the offense to get him more looks. Maybe the coaches (opponents) are keying on him. Whatever it is…it is WORKING. Therefore, Sid needs to figure out HOW to get Wood into the game OR put someone else in. We need Wood’s scoring…and are NOT getting it.

    The WP Radio Network said that our NOT scoring a 3 pointer broke a streak over 650 GAMES…THAT SUCKS…

    Also, our FOUR guards took 22 shots….and made only 2…for 9%…THAT SUCKS…..

    OK… SID needs to make changes….the TEAM needs to make changes….the REFS need to make changes….

    Other than that….Happy Valentines….

  3. Daily Update 02/11/2010 at 12:44 PM #

    BJD95: It is amazing we see the past experience with the Hodge class so differently. Keeping a coach for a program changing recruiting class is absolutely a reason to keep a coach for 1 more season. We were immediately elevated to being an NCAA tournament team and in a much stronger position to upgrade at the head coaching position in the following years. Hell even without making a move on Sendek after year 7 then if J. Powell had stayed for his junior year, then that team was Final Four material. That recruiting class immediately changed the outlook for the program. Neither Harrow nor Brown are considered the player that Hodge was coming out of HS, but as a class Harrow/Brown/Cothron are definitely the equal to Hodge’s class in terms of expectations and potential impact.

    IMO, we aren’t positioned to change head coaches right now with Fowler still at NC State and a new AD not firmly entrenched if the rumors of Fowler being out at the end of this year are true.

  4. mwcric 02/11/2010 at 12:59 PM #

    I’m not apologizing for Lowe, but Jebus, you guys calling him the “worst mistake” the athletics department’s history are too much. Two words: Tom Reed.

  5. Noah 02/11/2010 at 1:08 PM #

    Tom Reed had done well at Miami of Ohio though. And Miami of Ohio had turned out a ton of coaches that had springboarded to better things at bigger programs.

    And when it was obvious in the THIRD YEAR that he wasn’t working out, he got fired and we fixed things really, really fast.

    Lowe has the worst coaching record in professional sports. He was a complete and total failure at doing the thing that he was being hired to do.

  6. choppack1 02/11/2010 at 1:26 PM #

    DU – I struggle w/ that too. However, what if we’d gotten a new coach and kept Hodge

    We have signed LOI’s from these kids right? We don’t have to let them out of them.

  7. packfan03 02/11/2010 at 1:30 PM #

    Lowe’s ACC record over the first four years of his tenure is similar to that of Sendek. College basketball is heavily reliant on talent. We aren’t a talented bunch (and I may add that Sid’s NBA HC stops were devoid of talent as well).

    If you don’t think we are the least talented team in the ACC, please name the teams who are less talented than us.

    Success is commensurate to talent, with very few exceptions. I don’t believe this is one of them. I understand the emotional reactions of some of you, and how difficult it is to be a state fan. However, if you consider our current situation rationally, you’ll realize that it makes the most sense to give him one more year and then determine his fate.

  8. JaxPackMan 02/11/2010 at 1:38 PM #

    Many of you Pack Packers that frequently post here continually call for Fowler’s firing and have no confidence in Coach Lowe. I am not smart enough to make judgments about Lee Fowler’s effectiveness as an AD and I don’t know enough basketball to evaluate Sidney Lowe’s coaching abilities. All I can say my expectations aren’t being met as an alumnus and member of the student aid association.

    The results should be better on a year-over-year basis, given NC State’s 100 year basketball heritage, contributions to the collegiate game, resource commitment (people, facilities & budgets), fan and alumni support.

    When Sendek was fired I have to believe there must have been a high profile coach that the administration was in conversation with. Perhaps that wasn’t the case and thus the angst that so many of you have for Lee Fowler. And of course we all hate to remember the God awful length of time it took before Sid Lowe became the guy.

    Which begs the question — How do you think NC State is viewed in the coaching ranks? When Herb was fired I believe Fowler either couldn’t come to terms with a high profile guy or for whatever reason the high profile people don’t want to come to Raleigh. Why is that?

    As for Sid and whether he can cut in the ACC or not — IMO he’s got the round-ball knowledge, but is he trying to be a pro-style coach to these college kids? Ultimately, it comes down to recruiting better players. If he can’t do better than what he has now then either the powers at be accept mediocrity or look for another coach.

    In the game last night there was a dichotomy between Va Tech and State. Tech was completely energized by their coach Greenburg and they played with emotion the whole game. Sid on the other hand is very active and animated on the sideline, whistling and giving orders. But the players aren’t being motivated or encouraged by his actions. They actually seem a little confused, frustrated, tired, and generally not having any fun.

    Of course when you are a Div-1 scholarship basketball player and you miss lay-ups, miss wide-open jump shots, miss free throws, dribble the ball off your own foot out of bounds and numerous other unforced turn-overs – you wouldn’t have fun either.

    So is that bad coaching or a player who doesn’t have his head in the game?

    Hoping for better days ahead…Phillip in Jax, FL

  9. Daily Update 02/11/2010 at 1:40 PM #

    Choppack: We wouldn’t have kept Hodge. Sonny V was going to send him to Louisville instead of Raleigh if we had fired Sendek. Supposedly Sendek was going to be on Pitino’s staff as well(Sonny and Adidas were part of the financial package that brought Pitino to Lville).

    If there is a coach that can keep the recruiting class intact, then I am all for hiring that guy. I just don’t like our position to be able hire that caliber of a coach with the uncertainty at the AD position. Maybe it is possible? It just seems unlikely.

    Hell, if a guy like O. Purnell would take our job, then I would hire him in heartbeat(why wouldn’t Brown and Harrow want to play for him in his style?). Unfortunately, I just don’t see us being able to hire even a coach of Purnell’s stature and even he still has never won an NCAA tournament game.

    So with that much uncertainty, why not take the sure thing(the recruiting class), get all of your ducks in a row over the next 12 months as a university(new chancellor in place, new AD in place) so you can make another run at some quality coaches with a talented team in place?

    As far as LOIs, precedent in recent years is that recruits can get out of them even if they have signed them if there is a coaching change. Brown and Cothron can go anywhere they want. They did not sign LOIs. IMO, if you change coaches, then you just have to assume you lose all three guys. We could hand a new coach one of the least talented teams in the history of the conference next season. What coach is going to want to take on that situation? What are the chances the coach/idiot/guy with nothing to lose that is willing to take the job under these circumstances is actually going to succeed at NC State(Sweet 16 type of success every few years)?

    IMO, we need to get the program back to the NCAA tournament level first. The quickest route in my eyes is get Harrow, Brown and hopefully Cothron on campus and then be prepared to make a coaching move after next season.

  10. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 1:40 PM #

    Sid had a helluva opportunity this year. When it was finally sorted out and we knew Lo Brown had to prep we all thought the season was sunk. The fans, the competition, the commentators, the bloggers, the papers…everyone. We had no expectations. If he could have finished in the middle of the pack, in a very weak ACC that would have been big. He could have really put his stamp on this program. A lot of fans would have appreciated his coaching had he been able to pull this team up by it’s bootstraps…but alas…another opportunity lost.

  11. Noah 02/11/2010 at 1:47 PM #

    “Hell, if a guy like O. Purnell would take our job, then I would hire him in heartbeat(why wouldn’t Brown and Harrow want to play for him in his style?).”

    You ought to be able to figure that one out.

  12. packbackr04 02/11/2010 at 1:52 PM #

    jaxpax^^”When Sendek was fired” ^ sendek WAS NOT and i repeat, NOT FIRED

  13. packbackr04 02/11/2010 at 1:53 PM #

    “When Herb was fired I believe Fowler either couldn’t come to terms with a high profile guy or for whatever reason the high profile people don’t want to come to Raleigh. Why is that?”

    the answer to that is fairly simple. two words, Lee Fowler.

  14. ncsu05mit10 02/11/2010 at 2:00 PM #

    I forget what exactly Harrow and Brown signed– someone who knows this stuff better will know– but it’s something like enrollment papers…? Anyway, it’s becoming more common with high profile players, b/c they don’t want to be locked into a school if there’s a change. If Lowe is let go, they won’t have to ask for permission to be released, if my understanding of what they did is correct.

    Either way, Fowler let all of Sendek’s recruits out of their commitment, and the cupboard was really really bare.

    The man lacks balls.

  15. Noah 02/11/2010 at 2:01 PM #

    BTW, on one of the other boards, someone suggested that firing **** would set the program back three to five years.

    1) I wonder how many years it will set us back if we DONT fire him? (it’s like the joke about the UNC football ticket contest where the winner gets two tickets…and the loser gets three.)

    2) How exactly is it possible for this program to be set back any farther? We’re going to finish in 14th place?

  16. Rochester 02/11/2010 at 2:01 PM #

    How is it possible anyone who follows this team believes Sendek was fired? He left on his own. Sure he may have felt some heat from the fan base, but he would still be coaching there today if he was waiting to be fired first. Lee Fowler would never have fired him.

  17. Pack Mentality 02/11/2010 at 2:04 PM #

    Can anyone here possibly name a worse coach in the nation than Lowe? How many names do you have in mind that fit this description?

    I wanted to give Lowe next year. That was assuming he wouldn’t lose the team and put together a long string of half hearted embarassing losses. WE ARE A JOKE!!!

    Why don’t we give him until next year’s class are seniors? We won’t really know what their potential is as freshmen. Also I’m sure that he could get a couple of top 50 recruits in that next 4 year time period… I think we may be close to a basketball dynasty, just give him time.

  18. Ed89 02/11/2010 at 2:19 PM #

    ^^Can anyone here possibly name a worse coach in the nation than Lowe?

    How about the Coach at Rutgers?

  19. VaWolf82 02/11/2010 at 2:30 PM #

    When it was finally sorted out and we knew Lo Brown had to prep we all thought the season was sunk. The fans, the competition, the commentators, the bloggers, the papers…everyone. We had no expectations.

    There’s plenty of evidence in the comments made here that plenty of people had high expectations for this season….all the way to the end of January.

  20. Classof89 02/11/2010 at 2:33 PM #

    Swordfish said “He has one of the most highly touted classes this program has ever had coming in next year”

    I’m sorry, but that statement simply isn’t true. The class of 1979, featuring Thurl Bailey, Lowe, and Whittenburg (and some others I’m not remembering) would certainly have been more highly ranked than this one, had we had the same type of recruiting rankings cottage industry we have today. The class with Corchiani and Rodney Monroe was certainly ranked more highly than this one. Heck, I’d guess that Herb’s best class was rated better than this one, but I’m not motivated enough to go look it up.

    I’m sure I’m overlooking some other great classes (Norm Sloan regularly signed one prep All-American every other year or so throughout the 1970s–Kenny Carr, Hawkeye Whitney, etc.) Noah??

  21. LRM 02/11/2010 at 2:35 PM #

    I’m befuddled that some people actually think firing Sid could make things worse.

    It reminds me of my last morning at the MGM Grand a few years ago. I was already down $2,000 on the weekend so I figured what’s another $100 before I head to the airport — at least there was a chance I could cut some of my losses. Instead, I got on the plane down $2,100.

    That’s what we can expect by “giving” Sid another year when he’s done absolutely NOTHING to merit it.

  22. bradleyb123 02/11/2010 at 2:40 PM #

    If you think THIS one tonight was Coyote Ugly, wait until Saturday night! WOO WOOOOO!!!

    With all due respect, I don’t think it can get much worse than last night, even in Chapped Hole. Howell couldn’t even make it out on the floor (before the game even started) without cutting himself so badly that he required nine stitches. Smith and Horner were both sick, with Smith vomiting before and after the game, and during halftime. I’m not defending Sidney (I stopped doing that a few games back), but I really can’t see it being any worse on Saturday, unless our guys are still sick and Howell still can’t run with his stitches.

    But I’m fine with whatever happens with Sidney now. If we want to let him go after this season, that’s A-OK with me. I gave him what I thought was his fair shot to prove himself this year, and he failed. Even with the youth, I still see problems with Sidney, himself. Players are lacking in fundamentals, his substitution patterns leave us scratching our heads at times, etc. We’ll surely lose some recruits if we let him go, but I’m willing to risk that.

    But only if we let Fowler go first. And promise to go after a big, proven name coach. Because maybe then we can preserve our incoming recruiting class sans Sidney.

  23. packfan03 02/11/2010 at 2:41 PM #

    “Why don’t we give him until next year’s class are seniors? We won’t really know what their potential is as freshmen. Also I’m sure that he could get a couple of top 50 recruits in that next 4 year time period… I think we may be close to a basketball dynasty, just give him time.”

    My logic is as follows:

    1. Success in college basketball is about talent, primarily.

    2. If Harrow/Zo/Cothron turn out to be as good as advertised, it proves Sidney can recruit, evaluate talent, and coach, and, should not be fired.

    3. If Harrow/Zo/Cothron are ineffective and do not make an immediate impact, Lowe should be fired for poor coaching (5 star recruits, by definition, should make an immediate impact).

    Next year is make or break for Coach Lowe.

  24. choppack1 02/11/2010 at 2:45 PM #

    “Lowe’s ACC record over the first four years of his tenure is similar to that of Sendek.”

    Actually – I broke it down in another thread.

    After his 4th year, Sendek had won 27 games.

    With at least 7 games left, Lowe has won 21. He needs to win 6 games to equal Sendek’s total. As I stated before, when Sendek took over, we had missed 5 NCAAs. When Lowe took over, we had MADE 5 consecutive tournaments.

    And doesn’t it speak volumes that folks seem to be hoping – that Lowe can MATCH Sendek…and doesn’t it speak volumes that in the part of his career where Sendek did the worst, Lowe is still a little behind.

  25. Noah 02/11/2010 at 2:54 PM #

    Classof89 is correct. Next year’s class would be a pretty average class for Jim Valvano or Norm Sloan.

    Sloan’s last class was considered to be a top-10 class. It probably would have been #1 had we managed to land Dominique Williams, but we know how that went.

    V had top-15 classes pretty early on. In 1980 (I think), he landed his first Parade All American in Dinky Proctor. Lorenzo Charles was a top-75 recruit in Hoop Scoop and Street & Smith. Terry Gannon was in the “best of the rest” category.

    In 1982, he signed Ernie Meyers, consistently ranked in the top-15 in the country (some had him in the top-10). George McLain was in that class too, I think.

    In 1984, he had the #2 class in the country. UK had the #1 class, but it was considered to be one of the biggest bust-classes of all time. Of their five all americans, only one (Ed Davender) turned out to be any good. Rob Lock was in that class (for those with a fondness for big, slow white guys).

    V’s class had Chris Washburn, who was ranked either #1 or #2 or #3 (depending on where you put Danny Manning and John Williams, who went to LSU) player in the nation. Nate McMillan was a JUCO all American. QJ was a top-75 player. John Thompson was a top-20 player (but a bust). Del Negro should’ve been higher, but was under-publicized.

    The next year, we had another top-ranked class with Charles Shackleford and Walker Lambiotte and Chucky Brown. (I’ll ignore Tevin Binns)

    The following year, we had a top-five class. Avie Lester, believe it or not, was considered a top-50 recruit. Andy Kennedy was a top-30 guy. Kenny Drummond was a JUCO all-american. Brian Howard was a top-75 guy.

    The next year, V put together what I consider to be his finest class. Corchiani was a top-40 player. He was considered the third-best PG, as I recall, with all three going to ACC schools. King Rice and John Crotty were #1 and #2. Rodney Monroe was a top-20 player. Sean Green was a top-40 guy and Byron Tucker was a top-75 guy.

    Green transferred to Iona, where he became their all-time leading scorer and played for the Pacers for awhile. Byron Tucker went to George Mason was a star for them. He played in Europe for 10 years. Both of those guys would have been stars for us had they stayed.

    Next year’s class is probably comparable to Les Robinson’s top class. He brought in Chuck Korengay, Marcus Wilson and Todd Fuller…all three were in the top 50, just like Cothron, Brown and Harrow.

    I would say it’s a notch below the class of Sendek’s with Hodge and his group. Watkins, Collins, and Powell were all top-100 guys. It’s also below the Melvin, Bell, and Sherill class (all were top 60).

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