NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

On a night when even the NC State dance team couldn’t get its act together and Richard Howell couldn’t make it out of the tunnel for warm ups, the basketball team could do little right in a 20-point loss to the Hokies of Virginia Tech. The 72-52 defeat marks the fifth straight ACC loss for the Pack and puts the Pack in last place in the ACC at 2-8, just a half game behind 2-7 North Carolina. The Tar Heels fell to Duke by 10 Wednesday night in Chapel Hill.

Howell, scheduled to start for Dennis Horner, cut his leg on the way out to warm up and had to receive stitches.

“Richard was going to start and on his way out to the floor for warm ups he cut his leg on something and cut a big gash in his leg and had to get stitches,” Sidney Lowe said. “He tried to go but he couldn’t really run and couldn’t get back on defense. We’ll see how he feels tomorrow and it will be day-to-day.”

Virginia Tech wasted little time Wednesday night, hitting its first 10 shots and building a 26-7 lead with 10:59 left in the first half. The Hokies shot nearly 53% from the field for the night and better than 42% from three point range. NC State’s stat line couldn’t have been more different — 28% shooting and 0-11 from behind the arc.

Josh Davis said the team needs to start games better to get things turned around.

“We just have to come out harder, it’s tough to pick up the energy from the start. I’m not really sure what’s going on we just have to practice and work hard and we just can’t keep doing this,” he said. “[Lowe] just told us the truth, things we have to work on. We’ll have spurts in the middle of the game but we just have to play like that the whole game.”

NC State cut the lead to seven at 38-31 with 17:50 left in the second half, but Virginia Tech promptly went on an 11 to one run to stretch the lead to 17. NC State never got any closer than 13 the rest of the way.

The lone bright spot for the Wolfpack as a team came on the glass, as NC State held a 45-37 edge and collected 27 offensive rebounds. And while did create second chance opportunities by hitting the glass, the Pack could only generate 12 second chance points.

“We didn’t convert as many as we needed to but it certainly says we were battling,” Lowe said. “That’s a very good ball club with arguably the best back court in our conference. It’s a very good team.”

Dorenzo Hudson and Malcolm Delaney led the way for the Hokies. Hudson scored 14 of his team-high 23 points in the second half and Delaney tallied 15, with 10 coming in the second 20 minutes.

Dennis Horner did much of the work on the glass for the Wolfpack, pulling down 16 rebounds (nine offensive) while also scoring 13 points. Josh Davis and Tracy Smith both scored 12. No other member of the Wolfpack broke into double figures. Farnold Degand, Javier Gonzalez and Scott Wood shot 2 of 19 combined in 70 minutes.

“They punched us in the mouth and we just sat there and looked at them while we were bleeding. It’s tough. We’re going to have to get this turned around somehow,” Wood said. “If you ask me I’ve played terrible. This is probably the worst season I’ve had in my life. I don’t know what’s gone wrong. Instead of shooting 500 shots a day I’m going to have to start shooting 1,000.”

Lowe, who was visibly frustrated following the game, said there is nothing to do but keep working.

“I don’t feel helpless. You go to work, that’s my job. The thing that’s frustrating is you can’t shoot the ball for them, and we shoot a lot in practice. You can’t get out there and do it for them,” he said. “You can’t make decisions for them. You try to put them in situations, you work on passing to the post and that’s all you can do. I don’t feel helpless because you just go back to work, there is another game coming.”

The Wolfpack hits the road again following tonight’s game and will take on Carolina in Chapel Hill Saturday. Tip-off is at 4 p.m.

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207 Responses to NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

  1. VaWolf82 02/11/2010 at 10:50 AM #

    Making a coaching decision based on recruits is like buying a sports car based on the tires. Sure the tires are important, but you are going to replace them fairly quickly. But if the sports car is going to be any good, you need a powerful engine that is going to last as long as you own the car.

  2. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 10:50 AM #

    “Given the genesis of their recruitment, I’m also not convinced they would stick around post-firing even if Lowe got that 5th year.”

    Where would they go? I mean if you got them through the doors and they played for us that first year you are saying they may leave if Lowe were fired? I could see Lo Brown going pro…but I don’t think you are giving him that much credit. So are you saying…transfer?

    “Why anyone expects two lower profile recruits (again, still very good ones, mind you) to elevate us from “league joke” to “championship contender” is beyond me.”

    I don’t think we would be a championship contender, but if we were to can Sid next year I think the incoming coach would be in a much better position than if we were to pull the trigger this year and have our new coach saddled with Javi and Mays again.

  3. mwcric 02/11/2010 at 10:57 AM #

    Here’s what I love about being a State fan: From March through October of every year I get to hear about the savior class that’s coming in that will put NC State basketball back on the road to relevancy. Then from November through February each year I get to hear about how our teams have absolutely no talent and how not a single player would even be offered a waterboy spot on any other ACC team. How does that work exactly?

  4. BJD95 02/11/2010 at 10:59 AM #

    Yes, I think they very well could transfer. The sole reason they are interested in State is their connection to a friend of Lowe’s.

  5. packbackr04 02/11/2010 at 10:59 AM #

    I AGREE WITH NOAH, but is there any indication from anyone involved at NCSU that sid will be asked to resign?

  6. lsutton5144 02/11/2010 at 11:00 AM #

    And then, after Saturday, we’ll have the proud record of being two thirds of UNX’s conference wins for the season. Just another feather in our cap!

  7. triadwolf 02/11/2010 at 11:00 AM #

    All I know is if next year’s recuits can’t make an open jump shot nothing will change. I haven’t been nearly as irritated with Lowe’s in-game coaching recently as I have over our absolute inability to hit open jump shots. The offense is providing decent opportunities, but damn someone has got to make a shot. Is it coaching, lack of talent, bad luck, a curse, all the above – who the hell knows? And I’m not just talking about 3’s – anything outside of 12 ft. has about a 10% chance of going in.

  8. pack44fan 02/11/2010 at 11:06 AM #

    The only 2 acc victories NCSU has had, the team came out and pressed which led to some easy baskets for the offense. I cannot figure out for the life of me why Lowe has not continued to use the press as part of his game plan for each game. I guess he doesn’t have a game plan.

  9. choppack1 02/11/2010 at 11:07 AM #

    I said going into this year – the true test for this program would be how well these guys played.

    for the last 3 years, the shortcomings in the W/L column have been blamed on Costner, McCauley, and Fells. If this team could go out look like they cared night in/night out – even while losing and match last year’s 6-10 record – there’d be proof, that yes, Sid is changing the culture, and growing as a coach.

    The wheels fell of at UMd – and but for a very brief 3 minutes vs. GaTech, they have yet to come back on. At this point, I have changed my position. Things are now so bad that I don’t think it’s worth keeping Lowe in order to insure that Harrow and Brown come.

    We’ve got to move on – ASAP. There is zero – and I mean, zero evidence that we’ll pull out of this tailspin even if Lowe were to sign 5 McD AAs.

  10. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 11:07 AM #

    “Yes, I think they very well could transfer. The sole reason they are interested in State is their connection to a friend of Lowe’s.”

    Maybe, but I think the odds of that go way down with every year they are in uniform.

  11. ryebread 02/11/2010 at 11:09 AM #

    Triad: A vast majority of our misses last night weren’t what I’d call open shot. My definition of an open shot is when a player catches the ball with his body already set and squared and ready to go immediately into a shooting motion. Throwing up runners while falling away from the basket isn’t open. Attempting 3 pointers after side steps isn’t either.

    I believe that the current iteration of our offense isn’t creating a ton of good looks. The only time it does is when we press and thus get some layups.

    The only time we really played a true motion set last night we ended up with a JD dunk. We didn’t try it again the rest of the game.

    IMHO, we don’t have dead last talent in this league. It’s not upper tier, but it’s definitely not last. We aren’t taking advantage of what we have and maximizing it.

  12. Wolfpack_1995 02/11/2010 at 11:15 AM #

    I am just surpised on how many people think the Brown/Harrow backcourt is going to save us next year.

    We have an awful head coach, period. I guarantee you Sid would F up the Lakers lineup if allowed.

    Some people think that with Brown and Harrow backcourt we are going to magically make the NCAAT next year.

    It’s absurd.

    Are Brown and Harrow the second comings of Corch and Monroe as Seniors?

    I think not but I guess El Sid has people thinking that.

  13. Sw0rdf1sh 02/11/2010 at 11:23 AM #

    I thought Josh Davis played pretty well and I was glad to see it.

    0-11 from behind the arc said alot about what happened last night.

    More importantly I don’t think I’ve see such blantant crappy officiating in my entire life. Last time I checked it didn’t matter if a player touched ball on a block if he body checked him to the ground. Valentine and company should issue an apology. The only good thing that came from the commentators were their comments on the poor foul calling and Josh Davis’s desire to play for the Pack.

  14. Sw0rdf1sh 02/11/2010 at 11:31 AM #

    Sid being fired or resigning is laughable.

    There is no way he goes anywhere after this year and rightfully so. He has one of the most highly touted classes this program has ever had coming in next year to compliment a solid freshman class that we have now.

    You guys putting a nail in next years season before this year is even over…….?

  15. pack44fan 02/11/2010 at 11:33 AM #

    The only thing laughable is being the laughing stock of the ACC.

  16. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 11:37 AM #

    ^I think there’s a lot more to laugh about than that.

  17. BJD95 02/11/2010 at 11:38 AM #

    Lowe is responsible for where this program is. The why and hows of our sucking are irrelevant, since the finger is pointed at Lowe regardless.

    17 – I certainly they are more likely to not transfer than to simply renege on their LOIs. But that’s not a sure thing, by any means. Plus, you have to account for the opportunity cost of losing the NEXT class, along with enduring another season with a coach you know isn’t any good.

  18. triadwolf 02/11/2010 at 11:39 AM #

    Rye: Yeah, last night we really did not have a lot great opportunities, but in the previous 2 or 3 games we missed many wide open shots badly. The fact still remains that we do not have any consistant outside shooters on this team – not one. I think Wood will come around as he matures, but who else is even in the conversation? It makes it a lot easier to play defense when you only have to defend 10 or 12 feet from the basket.

    That being said, it is still Lowe’s resposibility to figure out a way to get points on the board. I just don’t see our young interior guys picking up the slack and none of our guards are finishers when driving to the basket. I don’t know where the points are going to come from. It really is a sad situation.

  19. Sw0rdf1sh 02/11/2010 at 11:39 AM #

    right, like 0-11. That was real funny.

    I can’t believe Sid didn’t hit any of those.

    Valentine. He is laughable too.

  20. choppack1 02/11/2010 at 11:41 AM #

    “There is no way he goes anywhere after this year and rightfully so. He has one of the most highly touted classes this program has ever had coming in next year to compliment a solid freshman class that we have now.”

    I don’t know if I’d call this class “solid” yet. You’d need multiple players to average double figures to call them solid. So far, not one of the members of this 5 man class is averaging double figures.

    There’s some talent there, but I haven’t seen much growth in it. And quite frankly, if they fair the way players typically fair under Lowe in their second year – they are probably peeking now.

  21. ryebread 02/11/2010 at 11:41 AM #

    Sw0rd: I agree that the officiating was bad last night, but that’s not the reason we lost. We lost in all areas. To blame the refs isn’t accurate. It’s not like that one Mays no-call was the reason we lost.

    I agree with you that SL won’t resign. No coach making his salary will. An alum especially will not. That’s part of why going with an alum is such a questionable move. If you have to end that relationship, there’s a lot of emotion involved. This is yet another reason why LF @#$()*@# up the search.

    I’m not sure if SL will be fired or not, but the heat is probably picking up and I think it’s deserved. We’re in year four of his program. We look like a Robinson coached team. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the juiced donors aren’t tired of this. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them pull the trigger.

    The class next year might save SL, but for what? I think we’ve seen how this is going to play out. I think we’re bringing in a two man class (the guards) unless we get desperate and sign someone late (like Ingram). We may win just enough next year to squeak into the tournament and then every year past that will be a one year referendum on his job. Recruiting will become increasingly difficult and I think we’ve seen that SL won’t be winning without superior talent.

    Sorry, I don’t want to believe it, but I’ve come to accept it.

  22. Wulfpack 02/11/2010 at 11:45 AM #

    I don’t give a damn who Sid is bringing in talent wise. We’re toast as long as he is around. Ballgame. Game, set, match. He’s inferior, and the ACC is putting a good whippin’ on him. He’s not even in the ballpark.

    To those defending next year’s class – it isn’t like all the other teams in our league are sitting still. They recruit, too. They also have coaches that, you know, actually coach.

    Time to cut our losses. I’m done with Sid. He’s worn out his welcome with me.

  23. BJD95 02/11/2010 at 11:46 AM #

    For the record, we did try our half-assed press last night. VT showed great discipline not to bust a gut laughing as they went in for their dunk/layup. One should not expect an opponent not coached by Paul Hewitt to crap their pants like the Bees did.

    The officiating was consistently bad. Every screen Tracy Smith set in the first half was a moving one (we gave up running screens in the second half as we entered our “mail it in” phase). If you really think officiating had a discernible impact on the result, you’re delusional. They kicked our asses up and down the court.

  24. ncsu05mit10 02/11/2010 at 11:46 AM #

    The observation of Lowe during timeouts is very telling. My biggest holdout on Lowe, which he has proven again and again, is that he is simply not a good manager or motivator.

    I’d disagree with the assessment that we live or die by the 3– in the games we’ve won, we’ve simply hit our open shots. But the Duke win wasn’t a launch-fest from the arch; it was a game where every player was on the same page and brought their best.

    And that showed me the potential of this team. BUT– Duke worked b/c those games happen– somehow all the players were in it. When they’re not all there, which is 75% of the time, it takes an excellent coach as a manager of player rotations and strategies and as a motivator to either a) get a player out of a slump or b) get the most out of that player’s lack of or exceeding performance.

    Lowe seems to throw lineups at the court all season, hoping they work out. I was telling a friend of mine who played college is pro ball about this as we watched NCSU/GT, and his reaction was “That’s ridiculous. Every player HAS to know their role. It can’t change, they can’t be asked to do things which they’re not capable, and starters shouldn’t be sat on the bench for silly mistakes.”

    Furthermore, his “loss” of this team is another glaring indictment. The fact that your teams simply give up — NCSU should be known for never giving up, b/c it’s freaking branded to our name. Lowe throwing more and more players under the bus every PC…

    The problems are systemic– they go beyond what players we have on the court.

    And now a legend from the ’83 team will be remembered as the worst mistake ever made by the athletic department.

  25. fullmoon1 02/11/2010 at 11:55 AM #

    No one is blaming the refs BUT no one can say the officiating was good and accurate and consistent. Don’t let our bad playing take away from worse officiating. The officiating is the only thing that has deteriorated more than the pack’s basketball program over the last 20 years.

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