NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

On a night when even the NC State dance team couldn’t get its act together and Richard Howell couldn’t make it out of the tunnel for warm ups, the basketball team could do little right in a 20-point loss to the Hokies of Virginia Tech. The 72-52 defeat marks the fifth straight ACC loss for the Pack and puts the Pack in last place in the ACC at 2-8, just a half game behind 2-7 North Carolina. The Tar Heels fell to Duke by 10 Wednesday night in Chapel Hill.

Howell, scheduled to start for Dennis Horner, cut his leg on the way out to warm up and had to receive stitches.

“Richard was going to start and on his way out to the floor for warm ups he cut his leg on something and cut a big gash in his leg and had to get stitches,” Sidney Lowe said. “He tried to go but he couldn’t really run and couldn’t get back on defense. We’ll see how he feels tomorrow and it will be day-to-day.”

Virginia Tech wasted little time Wednesday night, hitting its first 10 shots and building a 26-7 lead with 10:59 left in the first half. The Hokies shot nearly 53% from the field for the night and better than 42% from three point range. NC State’s stat line couldn’t have been more different — 28% shooting and 0-11 from behind the arc.

Josh Davis said the team needs to start games better to get things turned around.

“We just have to come out harder, it’s tough to pick up the energy from the start. I’m not really sure what’s going on we just have to practice and work hard and we just can’t keep doing this,” he said. “[Lowe] just told us the truth, things we have to work on. We’ll have spurts in the middle of the game but we just have to play like that the whole game.”

NC State cut the lead to seven at 38-31 with 17:50 left in the second half, but Virginia Tech promptly went on an 11 to one run to stretch the lead to 17. NC State never got any closer than 13 the rest of the way.

The lone bright spot for the Wolfpack as a team came on the glass, as NC State held a 45-37 edge and collected 27 offensive rebounds. And while did create second chance opportunities by hitting the glass, the Pack could only generate 12 second chance points.

“We didn’t convert as many as we needed to but it certainly says we were battling,” Lowe said. “That’s a very good ball club with arguably the best back court in our conference. It’s a very good team.”

Dorenzo Hudson and Malcolm Delaney led the way for the Hokies. Hudson scored 14 of his team-high 23 points in the second half and Delaney tallied 15, with 10 coming in the second 20 minutes.

Dennis Horner did much of the work on the glass for the Wolfpack, pulling down 16 rebounds (nine offensive) while also scoring 13 points. Josh Davis and Tracy Smith both scored 12. No other member of the Wolfpack broke into double figures. Farnold Degand, Javier Gonzalez and Scott Wood shot 2 of 19 combined in 70 minutes.

“They punched us in the mouth and we just sat there and looked at them while we were bleeding. It’s tough. We’re going to have to get this turned around somehow,” Wood said. “If you ask me I’ve played terrible. This is probably the worst season I’ve had in my life. I don’t know what’s gone wrong. Instead of shooting 500 shots a day I’m going to have to start shooting 1,000.”

Lowe, who was visibly frustrated following the game, said there is nothing to do but keep working.

“I don’t feel helpless. You go to work, that’s my job. The thing that’s frustrating is you can’t shoot the ball for them, and we shoot a lot in practice. You can’t get out there and do it for them,” he said. “You can’t make decisions for them. You try to put them in situations, you work on passing to the post and that’s all you can do. I don’t feel helpless because you just go back to work, there is another game coming.”

The Wolfpack hits the road again following tonight’s game and will take on Carolina in Chapel Hill Saturday. Tip-off is at 4 p.m.

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207 Responses to NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

  1. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 9:55 AM #

    “Is the talent on this years team really last place talent?”

    Without playing Miami or BC head to head yet…yes. We are last place in talent. Yes.

  2. Daily Update 02/11/2010 at 10:02 AM #

    At least it can’t get any worse.

    So Lee Fowler led us right back into the Les Robinson era.

  3. coach13 02/11/2010 at 10:05 AM #

    I disagree on the talent. I think we are are 8th place talent, with horrible coaching. THOSE KIDS ARE LOST in his “system”. It does not work and he cannnot adjust. You can’t blame it on them. Are they great? No. Could we be descent? I think so. But we will finish last and it is not because of talent alone.

  4. BJD95 02/11/2010 at 10:06 AM #

    I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again – if you don’t want to fire the coach, I’m ok with firing the GM.

    I also don’t see how adding one Top 30 PG and one Top 50 SG is going to dramatically turn things around if the personnel situation is so dire, especially given the ACC’s likely improvement next season.

  5. coach13 02/11/2010 at 10:08 AM #

    I am ready to make some noise. Let’s protest somewhere. Let’s get a crowd, make some signs, call the media, and get some people on the hot seats!?!?

  6. Rochester 02/11/2010 at 10:10 AM #

    In the first four years of the Sidney Lowe Experiment, we are 11-21 (.344) in the first half of the ACC season and 6-20 (.231) in the second half (including 0-8 in 2008). The longer a team plays under Sidney, the worse it gets.

    Here’s an update on the winning percentages (in ACC and ACCT play) during their first four seasons:

    Sendek .365
    Robinson .328
    Lowe .313

  7. fullmoon1 02/11/2010 at 10:12 AM #

    Dang, that was the worst game yet. If I was Sid I would start from scratch and start Vandenburg, Davis, Mays, Williams and Degand and positions be damned and just let them run around and improvise. Bench Horner because his turnovers are costly. He threw it at a players back and was handling the ball way to far away from the basket. The officiating was horrible(no call on mays 3 at the end of the half) but the lop sided lack of officiating pales in comparison to the lack of effort on the pack’s part. If it was close the officiating would be a legitimate gripe but when you lose by 20 and give up before the game starts it really doesn’t matter.

  8. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 10:16 AM #

    “I think we are are 8th place talent…”

    Last night we started 1 very talented Center.

    Last night we started a 1* SF, who was thought to maybe be able to contribute to our team 2 years from now.

    Last night we started a PG signed off of the scrap heap of spring leftovers.

    Last night we started a 3* freshman SG who we hoped was a “sleeper pick”. Most teams have a sleeper who comes off the bench an gives a suprise contribution…our sleeper probably leads the team in minutes.

    Last night we started a Sr. PF who by all rights lost his starting job to a freshman with one bad wheel.

    Name 4 teams in worse shape than that and I will meet you anywhere you’d like for that protest.

  9. Noah 02/11/2010 at 10:17 AM #

    I mentioned this elsewhere, but it’s worth repeating:

    Les Robinson was probably a much better college coach than ****. He had some success at ETSU, anyway. But Robinson couldn’t do squat with a backcourt of Chris Corchiani (one of the best college PGs of his era and the first player to top 1,000 assists) and Rodney Monroe (one of the best SGs of his era and the school’s all-time leading scorer). He also had a future lottery pick in Tom Gugliotta on that team and a future NBAer in Kevin Thompson (with Portland for two years, I believe).

    Even with that team, Robinson was still bounced on the first weekend of the NCAA tournament. In fact, had Monroe not completely taken over games against UVa, Georgia Tech and UNC, we wouldn’t have made the NCAA tournament that year. We would have been 5-9 and had 15 wins.

    And yes, Monroe single-handidly won those games. He outscored Georgia Tech in the second-half (38-33), scored 32 against UVa (mostly late in the game) after we were down by about 18 points (highlights of this game used to be on YouTube) and scored 37 against UNC at home.

    So…even with one of the greatest backcourts of all-time and some very good players up front, Les Robinson couldn’t do squat with it.

    Tell me why his equal (at the very MOST) is going to do something with a bunch of freshmen next year?

  10. fullmoon1 02/11/2010 at 10:17 AM #

    Oh yeah and we hit 0- 3 pointers. Note to Sid, practice 3’s, inbounding the ball, free throws, lay ups, jump shots, dribbling, defense, running, passing, and the multi task things like running and shooting together, running and dribbling at the same time. My favorite shot was when Wood just threw it from his hip while sauntering through the lane with no intention of making it followed by his surprised expression when it went in. At least in point shaving the athletes have the appearance of trying.

  11. VaWolf82 02/11/2010 at 10:18 AM #

    I never got mad last night, although I laughed several times. In the “stages of Wolfpack grief” I’m definitely in full “acceptance” mode, and watch each game unfold as an inevitable tragic comedy.

    During the MOC/Les era, I never got to “acceptance”. I never really moved beyond disgusted. I essentially gave up watching ACC BB because I couldn’t stand to watch good teams and would turn off the State game as soon as it became a lost cause. Now I start each season with fairly low expectations….and I’m rarely surprised.

    We’re all different, but I’ve never figured out how the delusionally optimistic show up year after year. It must be a disease acquired from a Cubs fan.

  12. Wulfpack 02/11/2010 at 10:19 AM #

    This is a very watered down ACC. The teams Les and Herbert played in the 9-team ACC were much better than this crap we have going on league-wide. I said it before and it bears repeating, the ACC may not even have a team advance to the Sweet 16 this year.

  13. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 10:21 AM #

    “I also don’t see how adding one Top 30 PG and one Top 50 SG…”

    I don’t know who you are talking about. Ryan is a top 10 PG and Lo Brown is one of, if not the best prep players in the country.

  14. jbpackfan 02/11/2010 at 10:23 AM #

    Noah- Excellent points about Robinson, Lowe and next year’s impact recruits. The last coaching search was pretty fun, so here’s to another one! I look forward to doing nothing for a month while I spend all my time on the internet monitoring the search.

    My buddy and I were pulling hard for Horner to get that triple double, but somehow he couldn’t quite reach 10 turnovers.

  15. JeremyH 02/11/2010 at 10:25 AM #

    can we get a real athletic director, please?

  16. Thinkpack17 02/11/2010 at 10:27 AM #

    I have no idea if Sid can do anything with the backcourt coming in, but I know we need to start building something. Given the choice of finally getting a capable backcourt through the doors and hoping, or letting Fowler run another coaching search and hoping…I choose the kids. Get them in a Pack Uni, then blood bath the coaching staff.

  17. Noah 02/11/2010 at 10:27 AM #

    “I don’t know who you are talking about. Ryan is a top 10 PG and Lo Brown is one of, if not the best prep players in the country.”

    I think he’s saying Harrow is ranked in the top 30 in the nation. Brown was ranked in the top 50 last year. Those aren’t positional rankings.

  18. BJD95 02/11/2010 at 10:29 AM #

    Good point Noah – Corch and Monroe were seniors that year, too. I remember watching the on-screen graphic at one point (either UVA or GT), which read something like “current scoring run – Monroe 20, UVA/GT 2). He really was a cold-blooded assassin, and for the team to achieve so little his senior year was a damned shame.

    VA – I never got to acceptance in the Les/MOC era, either. Perhaps I’ve just mellowed a bit with age.

  19. 85Designo 02/11/2010 at 10:33 AM #

    I don’t blaim Les Robinson for anything, he had 8 players ‘Eight” that was the team, the rest were walk on’s. He had open tryouts to fill the roster. Montieth the puppet master all but admitted he hated college athletics. The damage started then. Our great university has no balls, If I was AD I would be in Swaffords face everyday (with a lawyer) to make sure that Carolina was not getting a single advantage over us (ie the PE major is at UNC) , I would be out recruiting myself. Les was a great AD I want him back, Todd Turner (vandy)was a joke and Fowler is a door mat.

  20. Noah 02/11/2010 at 10:34 AM #

    I see no reason why Lee Fowler’s presence or absence needs to be a part of any of this. Tom Reed and Chuck Amato were not fired by the athletic director. Tom O’Brien wasn’t hired by the athletic director. Why should this be any different?

    Sidney Lowe’s contract can be bought out. Tell him today. If the recruits who haven’t signed want to walk, let them. We’re talking about hiring a coach for the next 15-20 years, hopefully. Who gives a shit about a single recruiting class??? Especially in basketball with all of the one-and-does anyway.

    You put together a committee and hire a search firm (Neinas) to assemble a field of candidates. You bring them and interview them and let them know that Fowler will not be their boss. If they want to meet with Purcell, go right ahead. Sounds like a good idea.

    We are not going to be hiring an ace-in-the-hole. We’re going to be hiring an up-and-comer…and most likely, that guy is going to be a “bridge coach” like a Herb Sendek was. The odds are that you’re NOT going to find the guy to take you to a top-10 ranking, but hopefully, he can be competent and recruit well and get you to 20 wins and some tournament bids. Then he can go off to a better gig and you can hire a good coach to take you the rest of the way.

    Again…where does Fowler enter into any of this?

  21. Noah 02/11/2010 at 10:38 AM #

    “VA – I never got to acceptance in the Les/MOC era, either. Perhaps I’ve just mellowed a bit with age.”

    I knew it was over when I opened up the N&O one day and the front page had a banner headline announcing Stackhouse’s commitment to UNC.

    I had a long post about why Fowler’s presence should not be a deterrent to a new coach and somehow it never got posted. I can’t type it up again, but I still think Lowe can be fired and a good coach can be found without Fowler being involved at all.

  22. BJD95 02/11/2010 at 10:41 AM #

    Noah’s right re recruiting rankings. I’m just pointing out that, while they are very good recruits, neither profiles like an immediate savior.

    Given the genesis of their recruitment, I’m also not convinced they would stick around post-firing even if Lowe got that 5th year. And you would still have a “lost class” in 2010-11 that you would NOT have with a new, hopefully competent coach. You’re just delaying the painful procedure which will eventually be necessary.

    And exhibit A for why you NEVER make a coaching decision based on recruits is the Hodge class. Hodge DID profile as a “savior” type, and pretty much did live up to the hype. And all that did was elevate us from “solid NIT” (barring the one year of total collapse) to NCAAT bubble limbo as a program.

    Why anyone expects two lower profile recruits (again, still very good ones, mind you) to elevate us from “league joke” to “championship contender” is beyond me.

  23. Wolfy__79 02/11/2010 at 10:46 AM #

    i don’t remember much about the les ad era, but the trace amount i do recall seems to be good. i want the best ad, an upward mobile guy. not another good ol boy like les. same to be said for sid. thanks for trying.. keep the recruiting class intact and let us move on…

  24. BJD95 02/11/2010 at 10:48 AM #

    The Stackhouse thing was completely on Les, too. I knew one of the UNC basketball program student managers at the time, and he told me the story of how unimpressed Stack was with his interactions with Les.

    Stack, McInnis, and Donald Williams had made a pact growing up that they would all go to NC State together and win a national championship. And we pissed it all away.

  25. rtpack24 02/11/2010 at 10:48 AM #

    I was very close to the program during Les’s years. I think the world of Les as a person, you can not meet a nicer person. However, Les would run motion on offense, have guys set picks and tell them to get open for inbounds plays and very seldom practiced defense. With all of that plus his academic recruiting restrictions he did better than what we are doing now. Les never threw his players under the bus in public or to the media. Les was 5-7 against UNC. Sid has along way to go to get to Les’s status.

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