NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

On a night when even the NC State dance team couldn’t get its act together and Richard Howell couldn’t make it out of the tunnel for warm ups, the basketball team could do little right in a 20-point loss to the Hokies of Virginia Tech. The 72-52 defeat marks the fifth straight ACC loss for the Pack and puts the Pack in last place in the ACC at 2-8, just a half game behind 2-7 North Carolina. The Tar Heels fell to Duke by 10 Wednesday night in Chapel Hill.

Howell, scheduled to start for Dennis Horner, cut his leg on the way out to warm up and had to receive stitches.

“Richard was going to start and on his way out to the floor for warm ups he cut his leg on something and cut a big gash in his leg and had to get stitches,” Sidney Lowe said. “He tried to go but he couldn’t really run and couldn’t get back on defense. We’ll see how he feels tomorrow and it will be day-to-day.”

Virginia Tech wasted little time Wednesday night, hitting its first 10 shots and building a 26-7 lead with 10:59 left in the first half. The Hokies shot nearly 53% from the field for the night and better than 42% from three point range. NC State’s stat line couldn’t have been more different — 28% shooting and 0-11 from behind the arc.

Josh Davis said the team needs to start games better to get things turned around.

“We just have to come out harder, it’s tough to pick up the energy from the start. I’m not really sure what’s going on we just have to practice and work hard and we just can’t keep doing this,” he said. “[Lowe] just told us the truth, things we have to work on. We’ll have spurts in the middle of the game but we just have to play like that the whole game.”

NC State cut the lead to seven at 38-31 with 17:50 left in the second half, but Virginia Tech promptly went on an 11 to one run to stretch the lead to 17. NC State never got any closer than 13 the rest of the way.

The lone bright spot for the Wolfpack as a team came on the glass, as NC State held a 45-37 edge and collected 27 offensive rebounds. And while did create second chance opportunities by hitting the glass, the Pack could only generate 12 second chance points.

“We didn’t convert as many as we needed to but it certainly says we were battling,” Lowe said. “That’s a very good ball club with arguably the best back court in our conference. It’s a very good team.”

Dorenzo Hudson and Malcolm Delaney led the way for the Hokies. Hudson scored 14 of his team-high 23 points in the second half and Delaney tallied 15, with 10 coming in the second 20 minutes.

Dennis Horner did much of the work on the glass for the Wolfpack, pulling down 16 rebounds (nine offensive) while also scoring 13 points. Josh Davis and Tracy Smith both scored 12. No other member of the Wolfpack broke into double figures. Farnold Degand, Javier Gonzalez and Scott Wood shot 2 of 19 combined in 70 minutes.

“They punched us in the mouth and we just sat there and looked at them while we were bleeding. It’s tough. We’re going to have to get this turned around somehow,” Wood said. “If you ask me I’ve played terrible. This is probably the worst season I’ve had in my life. I don’t know what’s gone wrong. Instead of shooting 500 shots a day I’m going to have to start shooting 1,000.”

Lowe, who was visibly frustrated following the game, said there is nothing to do but keep working.

“I don’t feel helpless. You go to work, that’s my job. The thing that’s frustrating is you can’t shoot the ball for them, and we shoot a lot in practice. You can’t get out there and do it for them,” he said. “You can’t make decisions for them. You try to put them in situations, you work on passing to the post and that’s all you can do. I don’t feel helpless because you just go back to work, there is another game coming.”

The Wolfpack hits the road again following tonight’s game and will take on Carolina in Chapel Hill Saturday. Tip-off is at 4 p.m.

09-10 Basketball ACC & Other

207 Responses to NC State 52, Virginia Tech 72

  1. Pack Mentality 02/10/2010 at 11:36 PM #

    Congratulations Sid. You have taken an untalented team that was predicted to finish last in the ACC and have still managed to perform below the talent level on the team. This has happened the past 3 years. All people wanted from your team was to “play hard” this year. And they did, right up until 1/3 of the way through the ACC schedule. Now you have gone and pulled a “Sidney Lowe” on us and put out an uninspired embarassment on the floor going on 5 games in a row now. I didn’t think you could do it, but now it’s back to the old Sid that we all knew and loved.

  2. Justin Gainey 02/10/2010 at 11:37 PM #

    Matt Doherty also recruited raymond felton, sean may, and Rashard McCants. The players who helped in winng UNC the 2005 National Title. I would take Doherty in a heartbeat. He was one of the best recruiters everywhere he went. He was a good coach at notre dame also.

  3. mwcric 02/10/2010 at 11:45 PM #

    Average score of NCSU games through the Duke game:
    72-65 NCSU

    Average score of NCSU games since Duke game:
    69-62 Opponents

    Average score of NCSU games since Duke game, not including the win over 6-20 NCCU:
    74-59 Opponents

  4. PackCracker 02/10/2010 at 11:45 PM #

    I was at the game with a friend who invited me. First game I’ve been to since Reynolds. I remember earlier in the year when everyone was talking about the team playing together and having heart. The only guy out there tonight, that I saw, who acted like he cared if he was playing was Josh Davis.

    This summed up the experience for me. The RBC looked to be only half full, and we couldn’t even keep the student section full til the end. It wasn’t loud. The dance team stood on the floor for 2 minutes while two miscued songs were played before running out of time and having to go back to their seats. Mr. Wuff ran out of t-shirts halfway around the RBC to shoot with his potato gun. I told my friend that I finally realized there is nothing NC State does that is not half-assed.

  5. mwcric 02/10/2010 at 11:46 PM #

    Justin, I was going to say I’d take Doherty too, until I saw what he’s done in four seasons at SMU… : )

  6. ncsu05mit10 02/10/2010 at 11:51 PM #

    I’ve heard commentators say tonight and against GT, “Where’s State’s urgency?” It’s almost that the team and coach have accepted losing as an inevitability.

    No one expected anything from this year, so why try?

    I’m done with Lowe– it’s not happening.

    All other sports aside (which really doesn’t help him) Fowler’s hire of Lowe should be worth dismissal, even if everything else was great. But he just took what should be the pride of the athletics department at NCSU and gambled on an emotional risk.

    I want Harrow, Brown, and Cothron on campus. I want a better coach even more. But first I want Fowler removed.

  7. Justin Gainey 02/10/2010 at 11:55 PM #

    This is Doherty’s 4th year, he beat Memphis and College of Charleston this year. He is turning the program around, and besides, it is southern methodist. Imagine what he could do with this team. Plus, at least he has over 22 years in coaching experience, and 13 as a head coach. What is Lowe’s credentials?

  8. wufpup76 02/11/2010 at 12:41 AM #

    “The only guy out there tonight, that I saw, who acted like he cared if he was playing was Josh Davis.”

    Horner played hard as well, IMO. Definitely his best all around game ever with 16 rebounds. He is a role player with a busted knee, but he keeps getting after it … even after getting benched at GT. He’s not a great player, but Horner’s effort is at least usually consistent. When he looks bad, it’s usually because of his limitations – not his effort level.

    Anyway, was at the game as well. Terrible defensive effort to start the game. VT was 100% from the field for over 10 minutes of the first half.

    And our peremiter guys just had nothing tonight. I think SL has done more to destroy individual players’ confidence levels than anything else. It looked like a lost, crushed team out there tonight. Deplorable.

    I was thinking SL had lost the team during the GT game, but the late rally from 16 down made me reconsider. Now, I believe there is little doubt. If so, that’s twice in four seasons that SL will have lost a team.

    The effort level was never consistent, and was usually on the lower end of the spectrum. I believe these kids want to try hard and do well, but have all but given up figuring out exactly what SL wants. And he throws them under the bus … he forever throws them under the bus.

    It’s not a good/great team, but there was enough here to get 5 or more ACC wins. Consider the encouraging start to the season with good efforts and team chemistry, and consider the team now. Do you think they are the same? I believe it’s more than just the losses that are getting to these kids. That’s opinion/conjecture/speculation, but you’d have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

    Where’s the motivation? the teaching? the improvement? the fun? The team has been lost again. I would love to be proven wrong, but can anyone with a straight face argue why I would be proven wrong at this point?

  9. CylonWolf 02/11/2010 at 1:04 AM #

    “On a night when even the NC State dance team couldn’t get its act together”

    Lets be fair…that was obviously a Canesvision fail. Everything they do is completely embarrassing.

  10. Wolfy__79 02/11/2010 at 1:23 AM #

    what terrible shooting and overall play tonight! i watched the game online, enjoyed the chat more than the game. i didn’t recognize howell was injured and horner & tracy have had flu like symptoms all day… i thought maybe it was a season thing. according to packpride, our guards didn’t score a point the entire first half. it is just so hard to watch these games, yet i still punish myself. it is so obvious there is no system, philosophy with this basketball team. wth! i’m not even pissed, i’m still suprised every time out. i keep thinking it can’t, can’t be this bad and the next time out there will actually be something worth watching, NOT! there was a kid that was born late eighties in the chat tonight,… poor kid hadn’t even witnessed any good ncsu bball his whole life! SAD! WE OWN LAST PLACE THIS YEAR! teams will really, actually have to try to take it away from us!

  11. Wolfy__79 02/11/2010 at 1:33 AM #

    i totally credit matt donuts with the 05 win. he put that team together. hell, last years team was riding the coat tails of the others success, IMO. i really don’t think roy was ever going to do it on his own. now look at him, can’t win with a bench full of all americans.

    our coach, he sucks. can he do any better, even just a smidgen?, doubtful. we are soooo bad right now. i’ve played better games on the blacktop with kid’s from ages 6-13 years old. and i suck. atleast i can dribble, penetrate, HIT THE RIM. hahahahahahahahha, its pitiful.

    so um, justin.. what are you up to these days? you coaching or what. what are the chances that we can get a honorable discharge for sid and coherse him into player recruiting until we get our point guard? longshot huh?

  12. Rochester 02/11/2010 at 5:59 AM #

    It seems fitting that Sidney spent several years in Detroit. He has turned us into the Lions. I think we really could finish the season with 12 consecutive ACC losses. Oh, but WTNY, when we cut that streak down to 10.

  13. Dogbreath 02/11/2010 at 6:01 AM #

    Statefansnation should draft a very comprehensive open letter that enumerates alL the specific examples of epic fail of this department during the Fowler era.

    Get as many of the registered users on this site to join as signateurs (might even drive more site registration once were spreads of what we are doing).

    Once complete, we should send it to Dr. Woodson and cc every major media group throughout the state and nation.

    We can call it the Pack Pride campaign, as a pun on another one of our recent epic fail LTR fundraising drives.

  14. Wulfpack 02/11/2010 at 6:37 AM #

    It is very clear to me that our talent level is the worst in the ACC. VT whipped us, as well they should. You see, they actaully have basketball players on the team. They also have athletes. We suck in both departments. What is also abundantly clear is that Sidney Lowe cannot coach the game of basketball. He cannot motivate and he cannot draw-up an executable game plan. What’s worse is his assistants are offering no help. What the hell is wrong with them?

    Sidney Lowe said, “That’s a very good ball club with arguably the best back court in our conference. It’s a very good team.”

    I’m going to take the liberty to play a little wordsmith on this quote and it pretty much sums up the state of the program, thanks in large part to you, Sidney Lowe.

    “That’s a very [bad] ball club with arguably the [worst] back court [and front court, and bench and coaching staff] in our conference. It’s a [horrifically bad] team.”

  15. Rochester 02/11/2010 at 6:50 AM #

    Most of us didn’t care for the Princeton offense, but at least Herb had an offense. I don’t see anything now except try to get the ball inside to Tracy (or JJ before him) and hope the other team doesn’t put three guys on him. I finally saw movement from Scott Wood last night, though he was never able to shake his defender. Still better than him just standing there, covered. But this team has no plan except hope it hits enough 3’s to loosen up the interior. When you go 0-for-11, that plan falls apart in a hurry.

    If this is what is meant by an “NBA offense,” this is a great reason to never again hire an NBA coach.

    And, Wulfpack, yeah, I don’t see what the assistants are doing either. Okay, Monte Towe does a fair Pete Rose impression on the bench, but aside from that …

  16. PoppaJohn 02/11/2010 at 7:20 AM #

    Great, now not only are we the worst team in the league (which in our hearts we knew from the start – some of the dreamers deluded ourselves otherwise, but we knew), but we are the butt of jokes.

    1. Dance team screw up
    2. Howell injured walking to the court????

    Remember all the whining on this site about the Josh Davis scholarship? If I’m Josh, I’m transferring to a basketball school. He’s proven his worth. He should walk out the door saying, ‘You guys suck, I’m going to find someplace where they care about basketball!”

    By the way, if this truly is the ‘Valvano Curse’, it is a first class one. Has any D1 school ever been this bad for this long?

    I gave up watching a couple of weeks ago, but it still hurts.

  17. NJpack 02/11/2010 at 7:26 AM #

    In four years we will have finished 10th, 12th, 10th, and now 12th again in the conference. Well at least Lowe has symmetry going for him. How do we not fire Lowe if we finish dead last, I don’t care who is coming next year? Hire any college coach with a proven track record (and a college degree) and let him quickly run a PR campaign with Harrow, Brown, and Cothorn so they show up.

    If we keep Lowe, we may have a good 2010 class, but I guarantee the 2011 class will fizzle (see Mays, Julius and Williams, CJ).

    The confidence in our guards is completely shattered. Lowe does not know how to motivate and bring out the best in guys. Lowe is our Jim Zorn, maybe a nice guy, but absolutely no business being a head coach of a major program. In case you don’t follow the NFL, Jim Zorn was fired after the end of the season.

  18. Avid109 02/11/2010 at 7:29 AM #

    This is just like it was under Les Robinson. I liked Robinson, I knew his heart was with the Pack, but he just couldn’t cut it at the ACC level. I feel the same way about Coach Lowe. I’d hoped he would be able to get our program where it should be, but it’s obvious that he can’t do it.

    I just hope that when Coach Lowe is replaced, Lee Fowler is not the one finding the new coach.

  19. PackMan97 02/11/2010 at 7:36 AM #

    So, which of these facebook groups is the official fire lowe group?

    http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=sidney+lowe&init=quick

  20. BJD95 02/11/2010 at 7:52 AM #

    I attended last night (for the first and likely last time this year). It was horrible, and the natives are very restless, at least in Section 104.

    How nice it must be for Hokie fans, for their team to actually have a plan/concept/clue when they drive towards the basket. We could use some of that.

    This most definitely is a Les kind of team (they won when they made a bunch of 3s, too – which happens about 1 time out of 4). Josh Davis is the new Marc Lewis. You old-timers remember him, I’m sure.

  21. Wolfpack_1995 02/11/2010 at 8:03 AM #

    WILL SOMEONE PLEASE START A “DEATH SPIRAL” THREAD.

    THANKS

  22. Rochester 02/11/2010 at 8:13 AM #

    Josh Davis is the only player on the team who consistently plays above his talent level. Horner plays at his. As does Tracy (probably the most talented guy on the team). Most of the other guys are below theirs, which is saying something because they aren’t the most talented bunch in the league.

    When you can go back through four year’s worth of rosters and find that most of the players played below their talent level, that says a lot about the coaching staff. It tells me that even with great recruits next year, we won’t get the most out of them unless Sidney’s not the one coaching them up.

  23. EdMar 02/11/2010 at 8:19 AM #

    We are now in sole possession of last place! That is progress!

    Al least “Less” Robinson had the excuse that he had a couple of years of recruiting restrictions and he had to concentrate in getting better academically prepared players to get the graduation rate up after the disastrous Valvano years.

    Might as well laugh….We are so bad that we cannot even step on the court safely:

    – In one game Vandenberg sprained his ankle during warm ups.

    – Yesterday according to gopack.com “Freshman Richard Howell, who was penciled for the starting lineup in place of Horner, suffered a significant cut as he came to the court for final pre-game warm-ups. He needed several stitches to close the gash and managed to play just three minutes in the game.”

  24. Tiew 02/11/2010 at 8:24 AM #

    I liked Wood’s comment. Manly and responsible.

    I hated Sid’s comment. He needs to take responsibility and stop pissing on his team. No wonder they seem crushed and beaten.

  25. 44fan 02/11/2010 at 8:30 AM #

    I have not joined in on the fire Sidney bandwagon, have not even blamed him. Trying to give him all the benfit of the doult. Tonight was lack of coaching, bottom line!!!!!

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