Misplaced Praise? Did SFN make a big mistake?

Yesterday’s entry highlighting the Wolfpack Women’s big win in Chapel Hill over the weekend reminded me of a recent conversation that I wanted to share with the community to see if any of our community members had any insight to share.

It started last October when I wrote this entry actually complimenting and praising Lee Fowler for making a coaching hire that I had the balls to call a success before the first jump ball of Coach Kellie Harper’s career. The praise can be summarized as follows:

One issue where Lee Fowler deserves some legitimate praise is in his hiring of Kellie Harper earlier this spring as NC State’s women’s basketball coach. I was shocked at the time that some people were giving Fowler grief for not hiring Stephanie Glance, and now that Coach Harper is here I am more convinced than ever that she is the perfect fit to bring NC State’s Women’s Basketball program back.

The commentary on the topic summarized as:

Please note that this praise is confined to Fowler’s choice of Kellie Harper as Head Coach; it does not extend to the overall management and guidance of the women’s basketball program. From a macro view, one cannot ignore the obvious that the Women’s Basketball program was allowed to significantly deteriorate from a top flight program to an also-ran throughout Fowler’s decade in Raleigh.

It also ignores that Fowler couldn’t find the energy, motivation or competency to hire Harper in March (instead of late April) and thereby allow her a fighting chance to do some recruiting. Whatever the excuses and rationality for moving painfully slow without an ounce of urgency are unacceptable and serve to reinforce the obvious conclusion that Fowler & NC State seem to never be able to understand the consequences of each of their actions.

Both of the aforementioned items exemplify why Fowler is so incompetent and rudderless as a ‘leader’ of a $40 – $50 million business. But, on the ultimate hiring of Kellie Harper I think the man finally got something right.

The catalyst for today’s entry was a conversation I had with a friend a couple of weeks ago that served to turn my ‘praise’ completely around on me. My friend indicated that he had heard that the reason for the inexcusable delay in hiring Coach Harper was that Lee Fowler actually wanted to hire Stephanie Glance and there were ‘others’ in the leadership at NC State that refused to let that happen.

Honestly, hiring Glance was exactly what I expected would happen; and, I was (obviously) very pleasantly surprised that scenario did not play out. Hiring Glance was clearly the path of least resistance and uarguably the ‘easiest way out’. And that is exactly why it was my expectation of what would happen. What better describes Lee Fowler and more appropriately describes his (lack of) work ethic than taking the easiest way out on the way to exerting the least amount of energy on anything other than chewing a cigar, playing golf or playing on the lake?

So, I throw this confusion out to the community this morning to seek some guidance and education on this issue?

Thanks so much

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46 Responses to Misplaced Praise? Did SFN make a big mistake?

  1. ryebread 02/23/2010 at 1:41 PM #

    packpower: Interesting and thanks for sharing. As for my posts, I’ll be the first to admit that I have zero insider knowledge and just piece things together. Obviously they’re viewed through my lens though.

  2. leewolf 02/23/2010 at 2:04 PM #

    The Kellie Harper hire was great, exactly what we needed for that program. Given Fowler’s prior track record it is hard to believe that he is the one who made the choice though. The man loves to hit the “Easy Button” and hiring Glance was the obvious choice. Maybe he did, but I think prior behavior suggest otherwise.

    As to the TOB hire, I have it on pretty good authority (someone close to the top of the WPC) that Paul Johnson could not even get a phone call back from LF during the coaching search. PJ wanted the job, Fowler wouldn’t even return the phone call. Say what you will about TOB and the hire that took place, but to not even call a man back is extremely classless.

  3. LRM 02/23/2010 at 2:09 PM #

    “It is more of a witch hunt or whining site.”

    A witch hunt implies Fowler is innocent. However, SFN has built a database of actual facts and data to the contrary.

  4. PoppaJohn 02/23/2010 at 2:54 PM #

    Wow, no game this week so we debate whether we have another reason to hate a guy we already hate.
    Folks, this horse is dead and buried. LF is no AD.

    How about that warmer weather?

  5. ncsufan13 02/23/2010 at 3:22 PM #

    ^ You don’t have to read or comment on an article if you don’t find it interesting. I have no idea why the sunshine squad feels the need to show up and chastise people they don’t agree with for simply having a discussion.

  6. one00_proof 02/23/2010 at 3:28 PM #

    it must be fowler’s daughter! quick, get the tww people here!

  7. ryebread 02/23/2010 at 4:12 PM #

    PoppaJohn: Maybe we’re beating a horse, but it’s not a dead one yet. Until LF is no longer employed as our AD, I think there should continue to be examination of his job performance.

  8. Wolfy__79 02/23/2010 at 4:32 PM #

    i’ll be honest, i’m very satisfied with the kellie harper hire and the TOB hire. i’m not sold on sidney, but he stepped up to the plate after a botched plan of attack. i don’t know too much about volleyball so i’ll hold on that hire. the good thing about hiring harper is we leave the kay yow era behind, if we hire glance we keep that old mentality around. we definetly needed new blood. the kay yow era was over a long time ago. with PJ, i’m glad we don’t have him. i like TOB. the results aren’t here yet but i firmly believe they will come pouring in soon enough. if TOB wasn’t on the table, PJ would have been an excellent move. although i’ve been rather jealous of gt’s success under pj, i still like our chances with TOB. there’s really not alot i can say about backing up to hire SL other than it was a search in no clear direction. i think all criticism for him should be redirected to LF, even down to jerseys not being tucked in. imo, despite the positive results, SL hasn’t intentionally done anything wrong… all this negativity is better suited for LF!

  9. Wolfy__79 02/23/2010 at 4:33 PM #

    i’ve always thought his daugthers we good lookin..

  10. packpower 02/23/2010 at 6:45 PM #

    Since many posts on this board relate to Lee Fowler, I’ll finally throw in my $0.02.

    I’d rank Fowler in the middle of the ACC as far as athletic directors – better than Phillips but worse than Yow and Wellman. About even with Baddour, who was handed the keys to a Rolls Royce (while Fowler was handed the keys to a Chevrolet).

    I don’t think I am a member of the Sunshine Squad as I met Herb once and found him arrogant. And I’m all for public criticism (and praise) of Fowler IF the criticism (and praise) isn’t personal. Unfortunately, too much of the criticism has been personal and people have forgotten this man has a family and some of the statements are hurtful.

    Fowler’s not perfect but he’s done a lot better of a job than has been portrayed. Let’s look at the facts.

    When Herb told him about the Arizona State job, Lee didn’t try to keep him and saved us a lot of severance. That was exactly what most of us wanted as everyone won. He then went out and interviewed the coach many wanted (Rick Barnes) and the other coach most people wanted (John Calipari). He swung for the fences and that was what we wanted. I realize he made mistakes after that but the man did handle the first three aspects (letting Herb go, interviewing #1 and #2 on many fans’ wishlists) of the basketball search the way many preferred other than he didn’t land Barnes or Calipari. And yes, if true, I believe the reported pursuit of Steve Lavan and not understanding the West Virginia coach’s buyout, if true, were just stupid.

    After Chuck’s teams lost three straight to underdog UNC teams, Lee went out and found a coach who defeated UNC three consecutive times with the Pack being the underdog in two of those games. O’Brien is the first coach in the history of the series (on either side) to win his first three games since the early 1950s – if you criticize him for hiring Sid and keeping Herb, you gotta give Lee credit for O’Brien.

    His record in hiring non-revenue sport coaches (men’s tennis, women’s basketball, softball, wrestling, women’s tennis) has been OK with the exception of volleyball but that program’s been in shambles for many years. And he probably should have moved on Men’s Soccer – but that’s two sports of 15 or so.

    But, even if I am a member of the Sunshine Squad, I believe Fowler has brought some of this on himself. There’s no question Fowler should be more judicious in public comment as it appears he didn’t learn the most important rule for an AD – the best AD is one that is invisible to the public (like a good ref) – and he has caused some of this grief by opening his mouth. He should have never called the fans the “lunatic fringe” and hosting a television show is completely unnecesary for an AD – why not have non-revenue coaches host one week each summer so our fans could learn about them?

    But I don’t believe the personal nature of some of the criticism is fair. Let’s praise him when he does well (Harper and the hiring process of O’Brien) and criticize him when necessary (the last two weeks of the men’s basketball search) but don’t make the criticisms personal.

    Booing him at games, wearing “Fire Fowler” shirts and creating fake twitter accounts don’t help the cause of promoting NC State as a great university.

  11. BSIE80 02/23/2010 at 6:53 PM #

    Well said packpower.

    Time to close this post!

  12. pman27 02/23/2010 at 7:01 PM #

    Packpower – you can give Fowler credit for going after Barnes but its been said on this board (or perhaps other forums) that Barnes was interested and told Fowler he didn’t want to negotiate and asked for our best offer. Fowler apparently tried to dicker around with an opening offer and Barnes killed the discussion has since been quoted as saying he’ll never work “for that man”.

    Hopefully I stated the above correctly and am not propagating an urban legend. Please correct me as neccessary.

  13. packpower 02/23/2010 at 7:27 PM #

    pman27 – Below is a link to a WRAL story in April 2006 saying that Barnes rejected an offer of more than $2 million a year and subsequently received a “significant” raise from Texa$. IIRC $2 million was a very large coaching salary in 2006.

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1091577/

    I couldn’t find any reference to a quote from Barnes regarding Fowler.

  14. Dogbreath 02/23/2010 at 8:06 PM #

    Given the absolute certainty with which folks are purporting diametrically opposite claims, in this particular instance one can conclude that no one on here knows what the hell they are talking about.

  15. packplantpath 02/23/2010 at 9:42 PM #

    Packpower, you are free to believe as you wish. Nobody is here to force you to see things our way. It is up to you to either believe the stories you hear or not. But, the fact that you don’t believe the story has no impact on what I believe. Nor do I care to try to convince you.

    If you can look at the tenure of Fowler at NC State and somehow manage to think that he is a mid-tier AD, I don’t think reason would work. The only one I would give you that could be worse is that buffoon at BC. In objective rankings, we are near the bottom of the ACC in every category and are close to the bottom when compared to nearly every other university in the country.

    That said, I do agree that at times things do get a bit personal when it should be all business. But I think that is something he has brought on himself in the way he has treated the fans who keep him employed. Remember, AD’s are like long snappers. When the average fan knows their name, they screwed up big time.

  16. packpower 02/23/2010 at 10:36 PM #

    packplantpath – It’s easy to criticize those making decisions – I can take nearly any Chancellor or Athletic Director and use statistics to buttress any argument on poor job performance. The same is for any decision-making executive – it’s easy to second-guess.

    On Athletic Directors, I would put Terry Don Phillips behind Fowler on the basis that Tommy Bowden was given a hefty contract extension/raise in 2008 when Arkansas called. Then Terry Don fired Bowden less than a year later which reportedly cost Clemson $3.5 million. Compare that to how Fowler handled the Sendek situation which cost State $0. Fowler did get that one right and it would be nice to see someone give him credit for it.

    Query – if Fowler became AD at UNC in 1997 and Baddour became AD at NC State in 2000, who would have done a better job by 2010? I’d say it’s even. They’ve both built facilities, made some major mistakes and been played by big-name coaches; that’s why I compare them. Baddour’s statistics look better but he inherited a better situation – Baddour’s predecessor left to become “Da ACC Commish” while Fowler’s predecessor had been reportedly relieved of the “numbers” aspect of his job two years earlier.

    The one area Baddour is clearly ahead of Fowler is PR. Fowler had a steep learning curve when he arrived in Raleigh as, in my opinion, is he failed to grasp that in a major program, the coaches are the face of the athletic department and I don’t think Fowler understood that. He should have gone “on background” when speaking with reporters rather than being quoted, hired an expert media relations consultant and beefed up his Sports Info Dept. In my opinion, someone should have explained to Fowler that he wasn’t at a directional Tennessee school.

  17. packbackr04 02/24/2010 at 9:49 AM #

    packpower^ it sounds like you dont want him criticezed personally, but all you can point to for him being a decent AD is personal crap…all i hear you saying is “oh, dont get mad at Fowler, “he TRIED to get us Barnes and Cal”. thats BS, numbers are all that matter and if you look at his job objectively my friend, From a wins and losses standpoint there is no argument that he has been anything but an unmitagated disaster as an Athletcis Director. and that has nothing to do with the personal attacks HE laid at the feet of the fans of NCSU.

  18. one00_proof 02/24/2010 at 11:08 AM #

    Apparently you should now be commended for doing what’s expected of you as an AD. Hell, anyone with a pulse in NC State’s fanbase knew that our #1 and #2 were Barnes and Calipari. Even before Sendek left, reporters ASKED Barnes hypothetical questions about coaching at NC State. Fowler’s job was to represent this university and find us a coach and he failed miserably. Regardless of whether Lowe works out for us or not, Fowler killed any good will he might have built in “trying” to get Calipari and Barnes with the complete disaster of a coaching search.

    And it’s not just his shortcomings as an AD. He has gone out of his way to humiliate himself and the university with his “lunatic fringe” comments, the basketball coaching search, the call in to Mark May saying Amato was NOT on the hot seat (low and behold, he was fired that same year), the numerous votes of confidence. From a PR standpoint he wasn’t just lacking, he was AWFUL. The man never ever missed a chance to toot his own horn. It’s amazing in that he is probably the most vocal AD in the ACC and he has absolutely nothing to be vocal about. Imagine if we were just average, the man would not know when to shut up.

  19. PackerInRussia 02/24/2010 at 2:28 PM #

    NC State has nothing on UNC. They have many good teams in a variety of sports (good on a national scale). We do not. There has been objective data on this site comparing each team in the ACC and the Pack continually places near the bottom in almost every category. Some people consider that to be a poor performance. As far as questioning why this topic is being discussed, just look at the responses (such as those from rtpack24) to know the answer. Looks like there was a good reason for asking such a question initially.

  20. Gene 02/24/2010 at 6:09 PM #

    “while Fowler’s predecessor had been reportedly relieved of the “numbers” aspect of his job two years earlier.”

    Les got us into the RBC Center, which is a beautiful arena. Went to a game there, with my brother – a Carolina grad – and he said it’s much nicer than the Dean Dome.

    Les might not have been able to handle the big budgets that were coming up with the renovation of Carter-Finley and Reynolds, but he did get the finances of the athletics department set in order, from where we were losing money to where we were financially sound.

    If we’re judging AD’s by their hires, I’d think Baddour’s hiring of Mike Fox and the way he’s turned Carolina into a baseball powerhouse show well on Baddour. None of the coaching hires we’ve had in the past 20 years have transformed any sport at NCSU, like Fox has done for UNC baseball.

    If AD’s are judged on hires, I think what Fox has done with UNC baseball puts him ahead of Fowler.

  21. gso packbacker 02/24/2010 at 8:06 PM #

    Interesting points, different perspectives, and in the end who knows (not me). However, I would love to see the following poll.

    Based upon what you know to be true, if you were in the position to make a decision on Lee Fowler’s future at the end of the academic year, what would you decide?

    Retain?
    Don’t Know, Need More Information?
    Fire?

    Put me down for “C”.

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