North Carolina 77, NC State 63

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Other than that Mrs. Lincoln…

In a game that was there for the taking, NC State couldn’t get it done tonight against the Heels, letting a five-point lead slip away during an eight-minute scoring drought in the second half. The Wolfpack missed 12 straight shots during Carolina’s run.

On the night NC State shot 39 percent from the field and 31 percent from behind the arc. Carolina, conversely, shot 51 percent overall and 46 percent from three point range.  The Tar Heels dominated the Wolfpack on the glass, out rebounding NC State 35-28 in what is becoming an alarming tend for State lately.

If there’s a formula to lose a game, that’s it.

Deon Thompson, Larry Drew II and Ed Davis  (who certainly looked better than ‘very questionable’) led the Tar Heels. Thompson notched 21 points with Drew and Davis scoring 18 and 12, respectively. Davis and Thompson also played relatively good defense on Tracy Smith for most of the night.

Tracy Smith scored a hard-earned 20 points and pulled down six boards despite going against two and sometimes three defenders much of the night. Javi Gonzalez tallied 19, but much of it came in a five-minute stretch at the end of the first half and beginning of the second half.

Here’s the complete box score. Try to ignore Scott Wood’s…umm…below average performance. And Dennis Horner’s. And Richard Howell’s. And Julius Mays’. You get the point.

Here’s the N&O’s take.

Come March, North Carolina might look back on Tuesday’s 77-63 win over N.C. State and pinpoint exactly when its season was saved.

A three-game ACC losing streak was in danger of turning into four when the Tar Heels found new life and their way back into the win column.

Deon Thompson’s dunk at 10:04 left the lone returning starter from last year’s national title team pounding his chest and sent the Heels on their way to a seventh straight win over the Wolfpack.

There isn’t a whole lot more to say really. If NC State doesn’t go cold in the second half, it would have been in the ball game late. Carolina certainly didn’t play great and left the door open for the Wolfpack to make a run. That run just never happened.

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119 Responses to North Carolina 77, NC State 63

  1. Mike 01/27/2010 at 10:23 AM #

    Ladies and Gentleman, please step away from the ledge.

    The game is very simple – we had a 5 point lead AND Big MO on our side. We proceeded to come down and throw up bad shots “because we were hot” which is the absolute worst thing you can do. We took bad shots and let them back in. They were “feeling it” or “in the zone” as they say, but actually, this is when we should have pushed it inside and gotten the buckets we needed. Then panic sets in, we take a couple more bad shots. The cycle is tough.

    Tracy picks up 3 quick looking fouls while getting raped on the other end. That hurt too, coincidently through their big run/our drought. So we pull him and rely more on outside shots, enhancing the cycle even further.

    Next, some posters have said when our offense dreis up, the effort goes on D too. Yes, this is a fact, but a natural fact. Of course when you are hitting shots you are more emotional, more into the game, and as a result will play harder D. When your shots are not falling, of course you will be down and frustrated. Instead of concentrating on D, you are thinking about what you can do on O to get things rolling again. This is human nature, especially for kids 18-22 years old.

    So what is the solution? You put a kid on the bench who loses focus. You let him watch the game. When the coach does that, then all of you complain about this sub pattern or why was that guy in the game, why did that guy get benched?

    Sorry for being so long winded – but it boils down to this. We started taking bad shots. They started taking good shots. Their guards had career games, and it seemed everything they threw up went in. We continued taking bad shots. They exploited our lack of ball handling to create fast break points and good shots.

  2. Wolfy__79 01/27/2010 at 10:24 AM #

    one thing i might add is the uncl-ch vs NCSU games are no longer rivalries, in any sport. they don’t care about football, and we fail in basketball. this is not a rivalry. our players didn’t even look like they were into the game last night. the unc-ch kids have two nc’s in recent memory, a couple of players were members of those teams. they don’t even know a single thing about a “rivalry.” it is dead. we do not compete against that team.

    the sight of mays pleading/begging the offense to move takes us back to december. that is about where we were offensively with him. except we were playing worse teams then. last night, a bad unc-ch team is better than u of a. i have longed for solid point guard play, it is so hard to watch a team with no leader… much like a chicken with its head cut off. why does it have to be so bad, ….????

  3. Wolfy__79 01/27/2010 at 10:26 AM #

    i would much rather see sid take his lumps for the rest of the season with julius and completely forget javi g. julius actually attempts to run an offense. javi does not.

  4. Thinkpack17 01/27/2010 at 10:31 AM #

    ^F that…after this year Jules 2.0 needs to never log minutes at the 1 again. He can’t even dribble with his left hand. No, no, no, no, no. He needs to be the 3rd option at the 2. He and CJ Williams at the end of the bench acting as “team leaders”.

  5. BJD95 01/27/2010 at 10:33 AM #

    If it’s any indication, the WWL decided there would be more national interest in BOTH Maryland/Miami and Clemson/BC than the State/Carolina game.

    If that’s not evidence of a dead rivalry, I don’t know what is.

  6. Wolfy__79 01/27/2010 at 10:33 AM #

    as far as vandenburg goes, he is just like josh davis. we all would love to see him play more, well both of them. but they don’t bring much if any offense to the table. josh davis is super energetic, but doesn’t know how to settle down of offense yet to be able to improve. vandenburg, is 7 foot and missed a point blank put-back. i’m okay with him playing many more minutes, b/c our offense flat out doesn’t work anyway. but i know we’ll see more of him missing very close shots for a while. its not that he’s spastic, i think rushed might be a better choice.

  7. VaWolf82 01/27/2010 at 10:34 AM #

    _______ had career games

    Has anyone noticed how often this gets said after a State loss?
    Does anyone think that this statement is an adequate excuse?
    Does anyone else wonder why it gets said so frequently?
    Does anyone else think that it is a problem?

    (Please note that rhetorical questions don’t always require a response.)

  8. Wulfpack 01/27/2010 at 10:35 AM #

    When Duke’s offense stalled at Clemson, they didn’t wilt. No, they got down to business and held Clemson to nothing and seized control of the game. We just don’t have that toughness. We have no consistency on either end. What does NCSU do well? Nothing really.

  9. Wolfy__79 01/27/2010 at 10:35 AM #

    okay, then scenario two: leave javi in the entire game at point and tell him DO NOT SHOOT THE BALL.

  10. Wolfy__79 01/27/2010 at 10:37 AM #

    duke may be many things, f.e. not athletic enough, relies on 3pters…etc but intensity is never lacking. we should not even compare such things.

  11. Wolfy__79 01/27/2010 at 10:38 AM #

    what is so bad about losing is that we have to wait so long until our next game. oh yeah, its against nccu.. then who, uva. we don’t know when these kids will wake up?

  12. Thinkpack17 01/27/2010 at 10:43 AM #

    “okay, then scenario two: leave javi in the entire game at point and tell him DO NOT SHOOT THE BALL.”

    Ok??? So on a night where he his tipping in offensive rebounds, scoring on the drive, and is 3/4 from three point land…all while our two best 3 point shooters are 1 for 12 (excluding the last minute of play) and our best player is tripled teammed, I ask you, what is he supposed to do with it?

  13. SMD 01/27/2010 at 10:45 AM #

    When everything was sunshine and puppies on here a week ago, I refused to buy into it. It was fun to beat Duke, but unless it was followed up with more wins, it’s just a fluke.

    I knew we’d lose last night and said so in the pregame thread. Why? We really don’t have that much ACC caliber talent. Sure, on a given night, we can get hot and beat pretty much anybody – but that’s the law of averages in ACC b-ball at play. Give the Holes a week to prepare for a sub-par team and get their heads out of their asses – there’s no way they lose a fourth game in a row.

    In sum – it won’t happen, but Lowe must go – and I don’t care who is coming in next year. We saw no improvement with the same nucleus of players the last three years and it’s his job to make that happen – ‘tude and chemistry problems or not.

    I am NEVER going to buy into this program again until I see a sustained commitment to achieving excellence. That means coaches are held to standards of beating our rivals on a regular basis and competing for and winning championships.

    Unfortuately, that is never going to happen with the current athletic leadership in place, and thus, Wolfpack basketball is DEAD. It doesn’t matter.

  14. BJD95 01/27/2010 at 10:46 AM #

    Scoring is pretty much all Javi can do. He doesn’t have the basketball IQ to get in good defensive position, or to really direct the offense. This is extremely unlikely to change.

  15. Thinkpack17 01/27/2010 at 10:55 AM #

    Unless we get a team of finishers around him we will never know. A PG is supposed to get people the ball where they are in the best position to score. As I said he delivers on the pick and pop, he puts pressure on defenses on the pick and roll, and he hits shooters in their pocket coming off screens. NC State PG is no dream job right now, other than Tracy we just don’t have anyone who can flat out put it in the bucket.

  16. ryebread 01/27/2010 at 10:57 AM #

    Hmm… I sat and watched exactly what I feared unfold last night….
    – We beat Duke because we could pressure and push tempo, but we couldn’t really do that last night because that’s UNC’s game.
    – We needed to slow it down, but our PG play is too weak in the half court to consistently score.
    – We needed either Horner or Wood to have a good shooting night and neither did. That means we had no real perimeter threat.
    – Our guards are weak on defense and UNC killed them in the half court. For all the “Javi gets steals” talk, he’s consistently in bad position, makes stupid gambles, swats at the ball and doesn’t move his feet. He’s not a good defender from a technique perspective. Mays has okay technique but is extremely slow, especially laterally. He just doesn’t have the physical skills needed to play at this level. There’s a reason why opposing guards who are even remotely athletic eat us alive and UNC’s did last night.
    – SL made nice halftime adjustments and we came out and built a lead. Deputy Dog fired his guys up and they came out and throttled us. I hate to say it, but we lost the coaching battle.
    – We got hammered on the boards.
    – I cannot believe that TS shot 9-15 and was inside all night and only got to the line twice. Give Roy credit for working the refs, but it wasn’t called evenly at both ends. That’s not why we lost though. You know going in against Carolina that you’ll be playing 5 on 8.

    This continues some common trends for SL at NC State. Specifically, this is starting to look a whole lot like the Les Robinson situation. If we hit the 3s we’ll win, but we’re poor fundamentally and don’t have a ton of talent (and have near misses on elite talent). We continue to win 1 out of 3 in the ACC (or against major conference teams) which isn’t enough. We don’t really have a great home court advantage. We have an alum coaching who is seemingly nice, who everyone is pulling for, but who ultimately might be in over his head.

    I’m afraid that next year is make or break for SL — NCAA or bust. I’m hoping he gets it done, but we should be ready to make a move if he doesn’t. We really need a competent AD in place post-haste.

  17. Daily Update 01/27/2010 at 11:06 AM #

    BJD95: Great point on Curtis Marshall. I. Benjamin and Jeremy Hyatt are better than CJ Williams. CC Harrison is superior to S. Wood and/or Farnold Degand. Al Pinkins is better than R. Howell as a freshman(Howell has more upside). Feggins and Thompson are the equal of T. Smith and superior to Dennis Horner. Then you have Todd Fuller who was the 2nd best player in the conference for two straight years. Did Danny Strong play 1 year for Les Robinson? He would start on this year’s team as well.

    Sid’s failure thus far isn’t “coaching”. His failure has been recruiting. He hasn’t recruited well enough to field a competitive ACC this year. If he isn’t a good coach, then we certainly aren’t talented enough to overcome that flaw as well.

    NC State basketball is a disaster. The Board, Oblinger, Fowler and Lowe are all to blame for it. They each played a major role in putting our program in this position. Unfortunately, BOT and Admin changes take a while to trickle down to the program level. Changing a coach can pay immediate dividends especially if there is a talent in the program and/or the new coach can bring an immediate influx of talent(Cal to UK for example).

    If we have a coach who can bring talent equivalent to two top 25 players and/or keep the recruiting class intact, then that move should be made at the end of the season. Like you say, NC State isn’t positioned to make that move because of Fowler’s continued presence at NC State.

    It is really hard being an NC State fan.

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  18. BJD95 01/27/2010 at 11:22 AM #

    Just so, we’re clear – I’m fine with firing the general manager or the coach. But one of them has got to go, IMHO. 🙂

  19. packbackr04 01/27/2010 at 11:26 AM #

    ^^”as far as vandenburg goes, he is just like josh davis. we all would love to see him play more, well both of them. but they don’t bring much if any offense to the table”

    WHO ON OUR TEAM DOES BRING MUCH TO THE TABLE OFFENSIVELY. MIGHT AS WELL LET THESE 2 TRY.

  20. Thinkpack17 01/27/2010 at 11:29 AM #

    Fire Fowler this year, the volleyball record alone should be enough to give him the boot. Allow Lowe to take a position with the Pistons if he fails to get us a top 5 finish next year. Include a UNC win, and a trip to the ACC Semis. Bake at 350 degrees for 45 minutes.

  21. GoldenChain 01/27/2010 at 11:31 AM #

    As the state’s preeminent flagship university and college basketball’s most storied tradition and the most loyal and supportive fan base in the world, it is a privilege to be considered worthy to be raped, sodomized, abused, and just generally slapped around by someone like unx and roywonderboy. Many thanks to the NCSU administration, the unx Board of Governors, our Athletic Director, and the coaching staff for putting us in a position to be of service in this way.

    Can we just put this whole unx/NCSU rivalry thing in the grave now?
    This is like when I would mouth off to my older brother and when he had enough he’d pin me down with his knees and tickle me until I peed in my pants, then walk away laughing while I stewed.

  22. Thinkpack17 01/27/2010 at 11:33 AM #

    You stewed? Why didn’t you change your pants, man?

  23. Pack05 01/27/2010 at 11:36 AM #

    Fowler has to be first to go…

    Fowler should be removed in May.

    Lowe has his great class coming and should be evaluated at the end of next season (ncaa or done), New AD will have had adequate time to get his contacts in order and perform a competent search if needed to bring in his guy.

    OBrien’s recruiting has been subpar in my opinion and has not been competitive in to many games and the life is getting sucked out of the program (it has already happened to basketball we need to be more proactive in football). If we have another follow up losing season the new AD should make the move and get his guy in.

  24. LKNpackfan 01/27/2010 at 11:46 AM #

    the WWL decided there would be more national interest in BOTH Maryland/Miami and Clemson/BC than the State/Carolina game

    It’s my understanding that Raycom selects games before ESPN, and they chose State/UNC as top billing. ESPN then chooses from the remaining games.

  25. GoldenChain 01/27/2010 at 11:47 AM #

    17, I am “amphibious” so I can do two things at a time! Stew and change my pants!LOL

    ….and when you’re the little brother its just not easy to quit stewing…which is my point.

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