It’s (Not) In The Eyes…

NC State recently approved a new logo design by alumnus Jim Cox, a 1966 graduate.  His “Eyes of the Wolf” logo was given its blessing by the university to be sold with its trademarks, even though it will not replace the school’s official mascot, the venerable Tuffy the Wolf.  According to a recent article in the Davidson County Dispatch, Cox wanted a logo with “more intensity.”

“But there’s never been anything with real intensity, nothing gripping,”

Cox would find his inspiration for his dream logo thanks to Moultrie artist Arthur Armstrong and his “eyes of the wolf” painting. Captivated by the print, Cox bought the original and then bought the copyright.

Cox tinkered with the design and said he spent some time figuring out how he would incorporate it into a logo. The end result was the hazy design highlighted with “N.C. State Wolfpack” framed around the wolf. The final design is fairly simple, but an alluring one, according to Cox.

“It’s intimidating — you can get fired up over this,” said Cox pointing to his logo.

For me, that’s where the trouble begins.  Either Cox or Armstrong or both have little understanding of wolves and their characteristics, or they have a different idea of what “intensity” is when expressed by a gray wolf.  Here’s Cox’s design:

New Wolfpack Logo

Now, compare and contrast that to an actual Grey wolf showing intense aggression:

Greywolf

Look carefully at the shape of the eyes – the difference between Cox/Moultrie’s painted rendering and the real thing — the real wolf  display of aggression is far different from the artistic rendering. In short, which wolf would you fear the most, were you to cross them in the wild?

But Why a Grey Wolf Anyway?

Redwolf3

You will never come across a grey wolf  anywhere in the wilderness in North Carolina.  On the edge of their former territory as it is, they have long been extirpated and unseen in the Old North State since at least the middle of the 1800’s.  There are, however, wolves in the wild in North Carolina, and NC State has been heavily involved in the reintroduction and recovery of wolves in our woods.  The Red Wolf, Canis rufus,  was extirpated here by 1980, but that changed when 100 wolves were reintroduced in North Carolina in 1986 – with critical assistance by NC State wildlife biologists.

In fact, NCSU hosts an Environmental Medicine Consortium web site detailing its Red Wolf efforts:

Dr. Michael Stoskopf , Director of the EMC chairs the Red Wolf Recovery Implementation Team, a group of dedicated scientists in key disciplines appointed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to provide scientific guidance to the field biologists working to implement the adaptive management plan for the wolf. EMC graduate students Karen Beck and Anne Acton have worked to find solutions to key challenges facing the wolf, and red wolves even live on campus in the EMC’s Wild Carnivore Research Center.

Perhaps it is a mere quibble, but one would think that NC State’s marketing would be aware of one of the university’s noted successes and would be eager to incorporate it into any athletic logo as opposed to a chimerical one that is, well, less than inspiring in my opinion anyway. Today 100-120 red wolves call northeastern North Carolina home and is the world’s only wild population of red wolves.  If you have ever had the pleasure of being in the Pocosin Lakes NWR, the place they call home and hear their howls far in the distance, it will send shivers up and down your spine.

At the end of the day, would it not be better for any new wolf logo not only display a truly “intense” rendering but also reflect the wilderness of our great state and the efforts of NC State’s scientists to protect it?  While Mr. Cox should be commended for trying to bring something new and exciting to NC State, the execution of his design leaves something to be desired and should probably be retooled not only for accuracy but also to celebrate North Carolina and the fine work that NC State’s scientists have done to preserve an important part of our natural heritage.

Campus News General

55 Responses to It’s (Not) In The Eyes…

  1. fullmoon1 01/05/2010 at 4:20 PM #

    That wolf has jaundice.

  2. tjfoose2 01/05/2010 at 5:34 PM #

    RW has a miniature beagle puppy named ‘Penny’ that looks more intimidating and intense.

    The eyes on this thing look bored, tired, and weary.

  3. packof81 01/05/2010 at 5:57 PM #

    NCSU does not need a new logo. Mister Wuf is a fine logo.

    There are certainly some things at NCSU that need improvement but the logo isn’t one of them.

    Want excitement? Better performance from our sports teams would be a more effective way to generate excitement.

  4. theghost 01/05/2010 at 6:14 PM #

    Is “Tuffy” the same as the Strutting Wolf that we’ve had for about 50 years? Never heard it called Tuffy (and I kind of wish I still hadn’t). Didn’t the athletic department get taken to task for replacing it with the stupid 3-headed design not too long ago?

    I don’t fault Mr. Cox for doing what he wants to – if this is just the university not withholding permission for the guy to sell his shirts with NCSU name on it, then I’m okay with it. But this reads more like it’s been adopted as a secondary logo (the Sleepy Wolf), and if that’s the case, time to fire somebody over in marketing. Also, I agree that the local link with the red wolf is interesting, but Mr. Wuf is completely gray – can’t just make him red all of the sudden.

  5. ncsufan13 01/05/2010 at 6:31 PM #

    “Mr. Wuf is completely gray – can’t just make him red all of the sudden.”

    Wolves aren’t really best categorized by looking at the color of their coats. Gray wolves can range from being all black to all white, or have any number of different coats even with red colors mixed in.

    The main difference in a gray wolf and a red wolf is that a red wolf is far closer related to a coyote, and it is speculated that a red wolf is simply the result of the mixing of the two species. There are plenty of red wolves that are predominantly gray in color as well. Seeing as Mr. Wuf doesn’t really have any accents or detail in his fur colors, the question can’t really be resolved as to what Mr. Wuf is supposed to be other than a generic wolf.

  6. Alpha Wolf 01/05/2010 at 6:34 PM #

    NCSU does not need a new logo. Mister Wuf is a fine logo.

    It is an ajunct design, not a replacement for the official one.

    Is “Tuffy” the same as the Strutting Wolf that we’ve had for about 50 years? Never heard it called Tuffy (and I kind of wish I still hadn’t).

    Yes, its original name was “Tuffy” and he even has his own Facebook page:

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tuffy-the-Strutting-Wolf/130593372087

    According to Wikipedia, the strutting wolf “Tuffy” logo was designed by a student in the early 1970s and modernized in 2006.

    On official trademark page, he is only known as Strutting Wolf.
    http://www.fis.ncsu.edu/trademark/data/trademarks.html … but his original name was indeed “Tuffy the Strutting Wolf.”

    In fact, on the NC State website, former Provost Larry Nielsen said “with equally great trepidation, we approved some “clean-up” of Tuffy the Wolf (yes, his name is Tuffy) so that apparel manufacturers can more easily sew him accurately on shirts and hats and whatever you like Tuffy to appear on. ”

    (http://provost.ncsu.edu/provost-presentations/feb-7-2006-something-fishy.php)

    and there are multiple links to the original name.

    Didn’t the athletic department get taken to task for replacing it with the stupid 3-headed design not too long ago?

    Ah yes, the infamous “Three Weasels” design.

  7. Cardiff Giant 01/05/2010 at 6:39 PM #

    “The eyes on this thing look bored, tired, and weary.”

    Which, my previous disparagement of the logo notwithstanding, might be a very timely representation. Certainly I am bored, tired, and weary with Lee Fowler’s program.

  8. El Scrotcho 01/05/2010 at 6:43 PM #

    I see you all beat me to the Three Wolf Moon shirt. Well played.

    It’s baffling to me that we need to bother with anything other than the block S and the non-modernized Strutting Wolf. They are both excellent and every other single logo I’ve seen put out is utter trash.

  9. Alpha Wolf 01/05/2010 at 6:49 PM #

    I’ve no problem with the University approving different designs that take advantage of the “Wolfpack” identity. I just think that the should be very discerning and careful in how it licenses things.

    NC State, along with the University of Nevada are the only teams with the nickname “wolfpack” – and Nevada splits it into two words, “Wolf Pack.” Two other schools – Arkansas State and Indiana University East use “Red Wolves” as their nicknames, even though our Red Wolves in NC are the only ones in the wild in the world according to some, but at the very least in the US.

  10. ncsu05mit10 01/05/2010 at 7:46 PM #

    “so that apparel manufacturers can more easily sew him accurately on shirts and hats and whatever you like Tuffy to appear on”

    That seems crazy to me… what manufacturers are they using? Shouldn’t the process have gotten EASIER over the last 50 years? I’ve wondered why there is this new Tuffy… compare the one on the official website to the one on the Facebook page. Somehow Facebook seems more official than the official page.

    I checked out UNC’s, and it looks like Ramsy had the same rework done, but it doesn’t look as watered down.

    http://www.licensing.unc.edu/New/General/UNC%20Logo%20Sheet.pdf

  11. WolfdotPack 01/05/2010 at 8:45 PM #

    Hate it.

  12. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 01/05/2010 at 9:19 PM #

    If I had a pet wolf and her eyes looked like those, I would rush her to the emergency room at the College of Vet Med.

  13. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 01/05/2010 at 9:31 PM #

    From Wikipedia so don’t take the following as fact-

    The primary logo for NC State athletics is a red block ‘S’ with an inscribed ‘N’ and ‘C’. The block S has been in use since 1890 but has seen many alterations through the years. It became the sole logo for all NC State athletic teams in 2000 and was modernized to its current design in 2006.[58]

    NC State athletic teams are nicknamed the ‘Wolfpack’ (most women’s teams are also called the “Wolfpack,” except for the women’s basketball team who go by the “Wolfpack Women”). The name was adopted in 1922 when a disgruntled fan described the behavior of the student body at athletic events as being “like a wolf pack.” Prior to the adoption of the current nickname, NC State athletic teams went by such names as the Aggies, the Techs, and the Red Terrors. Since the 1960s the Wolfpack has been represented at athletic events by its mascots, Mr. and Ms. Wuf. In print, the ‘Strutting Wolf’ is used and is known by the name ‘Tuffy.'[58]

  14. T-FIC 01/05/2010 at 9:44 PM #

    This reminds me of how crappy most NC State apparel is. Instead of keeping stuff simple, apparel companies always find a way to add a goofy looking wolf on the back of a hat or jacket.

  15. AveryPage 01/05/2010 at 10:38 PM #

    this shit seriously makes me sick to my stomach.
    wtf.

  16. gotohe11carolina 01/05/2010 at 11:47 PM #

    c’mon y’all we have the greatest design ever conceived for a wolf logo…

    three wolf moon

    http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Three-Short-Sleeve-Black/dp/B000NZW3KC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=apparel&qid=1262750012&sr=8-1

    nuff said…

  17. AveryPage 01/05/2010 at 11:56 PM #

    WEAK.
    The 3 wolves will always be my favorite.

  18. MrPlywood 01/06/2010 at 1:56 AM #

    Nothing personal to Mr Cox, but:

    1. That’s not a logo.
    2. That’s not a logotype. Insult to injury, the font is default Times, looks like a Windows standard version. Ugh.
    3. It’s poorly done, and there’s nothing “intense” or “gripping” about it.
    4. There’s a design school full of students (and probably a good number in the general university population) that could/would create any number of better solutions for free, or close to it. (Although they should be compensated… don’t get me started on design contests.) In the summer of ’83 I took part in a summer design studio focused on real work for real clients and won the jobs to create recruiting collateral for Tom Reed’s FB team, and to design the graphics for the plastic drink cups sold that year (which was cool, to see thousands of cups in the stands with my design on it). So there is precedent. That said, athletic branding and sales is big business, so…
    5. There’s a large contingent of very talented design school alumni that could create any number of better solutions for a fee (possibly negotiable for the alma mater, but keep in mind the branding and sales part of the equation).

    re: Tuffy – the simplification of the Tuffy logo just refers to removing some detail, like the vertical “knit” in his sweater and his fur, increasing the contrast in his outline. As far as his origin, we were given some background during that summer studio. I was under the impression that it was earlier than the 70’s, but I honestly can’t remember when he was created. I like Tuffy

  19. WolfBlitzr 01/06/2010 at 6:42 AM #

    I have to agree that this design (it is not a logo by any definition), should not have been approved, and not because it’s just a poor design. It has to do more with branding and trademark protection.

    If NC State wants to protect their current Wolfpack and Tuffy trademarks they should not be diluting their strength by approving every wolf design that comes to their door. Having multiple wolf designs dilutes the value of the primary logo, and just adds confusion in the market when others show up. Does NC State claim all wolf designs to be their trademark? How many wolf designs does NC State actually claim? I believe the total is currently five: Tuffy; Wolfhead; Three Wolves on Rock; One Wolf on Rock, and most recently the Lonnie Poole Golf Course logo with 4 wolves.)

    The “eyesofthewolf” design is an added cause of concern in that Mr.Cox has combined his intellectual property (he owns the rights to the original artwork) and overlayed the trademarks “NC STATE” and “Wolfpack” into one piece and is calling it the new logo. No other licensee can use the design as it’s owned in part by Mr.Cox. The Legal Affairs department should be sending a letter asking that the NC State trademark should be separated from the design.

    In order to have a strong brand, you need to be consistent in it’s use, and repeat the theme over and over. Think of any strong corporate brand today and look how many versions of their icon is used for logos. McDonald’s Arches, Microsoft’s Flying Window, Nike’s Swoosh are all consistent in their use. NC State should develop the same focus when using it’s logos.

  20. BassPacker 01/06/2010 at 7:42 AM #

    Looks like something you would buy at a Big Lots. The t-shirts you could buy for 5 bucks at football games are way better than that crappy logo.

    Good stuff Wolf Blitzr, explanation of branding at its simplest form. Obviously NCSU was looking more at potential revenue than the poor design.

    I don’t like the three wolves design either, ok as just a design but leave out any ties to NC State. Even worse is that the ad for the design at Amazon has a nappy red headed female model with a cigarette in her mouth holding a long neck bottle wearing the 3 wolves t-shirt. Great image for the university….NOT.

    Anyone have any idea what someone like Cox would have to pay for a license agreement and NC State trademark use?

  21. GoldenChain 01/06/2010 at 10:34 AM #

    “Gone are the days of us just sitting around as we fail. Now we’ve gotten proactive about failing.” LRM
    /thread

  22. GAWolf 01/06/2010 at 11:54 AM #

    Ovies just ganked my “Alan from Hangover” idea, blended it up, and resused it. Bad, Joe Ovies, Bad!

  23. fvpackman 01/06/2010 at 1:45 PM #

    Nobody is holding a gun to anyones head to buy this shirt…If he sells the School makes money…If he doesn’t it doesn’t cost the school a dime.

  24. BoKnowsNCS71 01/06/2010 at 1:54 PM #

    Wolf looks like it is no qualudes from the 70’s. But then again that me appropriate for things now. And we use to drag a coyote out on the field in 67 (“Coyotes are Cool” said the Technician and banners).

    Can’t bring a real one out today. Sarah Palin might do an overflight and shoot it.

  25. bluelena69 01/06/2010 at 3:18 PM #

    I applaud this guy’s effort but I am sorry, this is NOT what we need as a representation for our University. I am just stunned that this is even up for debate by our marketing people. Who made this decision? No wonder we seem to be so “Bush League” in everything.

    Cox made a commendable, good faith effort to interject his ideas and he obviously is very passionate about NC State. But this is just not good design. I am a designer, but I do not do logotypes. I could do something a thousand times more effective as this, but I won’t even do it…its not my thing. I prefer to leave it up to professionals and I would hope that the marketing folks at NC State would make the same decision. This looks like one of those horrible designs that appears on the front of a sweater that your grandmother insists on giving you for the holidays.

    I have a feeling that they approved it just because they could not tell the guy no. This is how you run a Rotary Club, not a major University. This is just sad…sad…sad…

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