Wolfpack advance to 9-3 riding strong 3-point shooting

It wasn’t very pretty after the NC State jumped out to an impressive 32-9 lead with 8:23 in the first half, but the Wolfpack managed to advance to 9-3 with a 68-52 win over Winthrop at the RBC Center.

The Pack found range again from the three-point line shooting 10 of 20 for the night from the arc; and a total of 52% from the field overall.

GoPack.com has a nice, quick game story that can be viewed here.

A balanced scoring attack – and a five-minute scoring spurt in the first half – allowed NC State to cruise by Winthrop Tuesday night, 68-52, at the RBC Center.

During the game’s most decisive streak, the Wolfpack outscored the Eagles 30-7, with most of the damage coming from the 3-point line.

Freshman Scott Wood started the streak by hitting a 3-pointer from the corner, and Tracy Smith followed with a traditional three-point play. Sophomore C.J. Williams and Wood hit back-to-back 3-pointers, to push State’s lead to 13-3, and Smith followed his own miss with a dunk.

Three players – one by Wood, two by senior Farnold Degand and two by senior Dennis Horner – hit 3-pointers on five consecutive possessions, increasing the lead to 21 points. And freshman Jordan Vandenberg hit a crowd pleasing left-handed hook shot with 8:23 remaining in the first half to give the Wolfpack its biggest lead of the night, 32-9.

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It was as good a half as Sidney Lowe’s team has played all year. Not only did the Pack make 15 of 30 field goals and 8 of 14 3-point attempts, it also dished out 13 assists on 15 field goals.

One observation I have is related to turnovers – while State committed 14 for the evening, the Wolfpack was only able to generate 7 turnovers from Winthrop. This differential coupled with State’s solid field goal shooting (limiting the need and opportunity for offensive rebounds) provided Winthrop ten more shot attempts than State generated for the evening.

Make no doubt about it, the Wolfpack is going to lose at least one game this year because of free throw shooting. Tonight, State shot an embarrassing 6 of 15 for only 40% from the free throw line.

State now turns its sites to three non-conference games in a six day span. After a New Year’s Eve game vs UNC Greensboro at the Greensboro Coliseum, State plays host to Florida in the RBC on Sunday at 3pm in what has become a very important game that could have post-season implications when March arrives.

If one were to presume wins over UNC-G, Holy Cross on (Jan 6) and North Carolina Central (Jan 30th) then the Pack would be 12-3 (not including the Florida result) before launching into the main part of the ACC schedule with another ‘must win’ hosting very beatable Virginia on Saturday, Jan 9th at noon. At the end of the year, 18 wins could be enough to earn an NIT berth; and non-conference wins over both Marquette and Florida could be differentiating factors for the Wolfpack.

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80 Responses to Wolfpack advance to 9-3 riding strong 3-point shooting

  1. TheWolf 12/30/2009 at 8:10 PM #

    Thank you wolfmanmat!

  2. Pack Mentality 12/30/2009 at 9:00 PM #

    I never played college bball, but I know beyond any doubt that I am unhappy with losing records in ACC play. Choppack – you are right, we may need better than .500 to make the NCAA, but we have to at least not have a losing conference record. And no matter what any excuses are I will never be happy with an NIT birth. And playing college ball is not necessary to make anybody more knowledgeable on what is an acceptable season.

  3. BassPacker 12/30/2009 at 9:48 PM #

    No problem Wolf. Always thought that if a coach called timeout close to an official desinated TO, such as at 8:12, it counted as the official 8 minute TO. That explains why it seemed excessive against Winthrop, worse than tv game timeouts. Seemed like everytime the Pack went on a fast break score, there was a TO.

    The group in my section was like me, excited seeing Wood hitting the three ball early, was disappointed when it appeared he was pulled from the game. We wanted to see the Scott Wood from the high school highlite video on the RBC floor. It will come.

  4. choppack1 12/30/2009 at 10:48 PM #

    pack mentality – I’m w/ you on the NIT thing. The only time you are happy to go to the NIT is if you haven’t been anywhere in a while.

  5. wolfdog1 12/31/2009 at 9:58 AM #

    Saw the game – how horrible We played as though we didn’t
    give a crapt – No real zip or aggresive play I would say.
    If S Lowe is a big time college coach – Im Mr President
    It is sad – Hate to say this but we are no where in the league of DUKE and CAROLINA and if you think this clown can get you there in his $300.00 suits and nice white shirt with cuff lengths you have your head in the sand – wake up State people.

  6. GoldenChain 12/31/2009 at 10:21 AM #

    Guys, while I agree that ultimately that the NCAA every year is the standard we are looking for I think you are brain-dead to think that this team, which was picked LAST in the ACC by people who follow the ACC 365 days a year, will make it.
    The negativity that somehow every loss and every minor minutia in a game is justification for firing the coach (or at least shows he’s an idiot, ….which means you want him gone) is just plain wrong to me.

    From where we’ve been the last two seasons the NIT would be progress I don’t care what anyone says. Not the GOAL but PROGRESS. We’re not going from failure (last two years) to success (NCAA sweet 16) in one year where we lost 3 starters and are now playing many frosh and sophs that haven’t seen any real playing time up until now.

    I don’t like losing and I’m one of the few that was around when we were good so I know how being good feels. However if anyone thinks there is a Savior that will come in and restore the natural order after 20 years I think your cracked.

    BTW, if you think those are $300 suits you must not wear many suits, you need me to take you shopping, and they are cuff LINKS on French-cuffed shirts.

  7. bradleyb123 12/31/2009 at 10:54 AM #

    Someone made a good point about Javi’s improvement from his freshman year to now. I think we can all agree that Tracy Smith is doing very well, too. Look at how these two players have improved from their freshman years. Now look at the freshman talent that came in this year, and imagine them after a couple of years of improvement and maturing. And mever mind the blue-chippers we have coming in next year that may very well be stars from day one.

    I used to think Sidney was not getting it done. But I stepped back, caught my breath, and started looking at him objectively. He is doing a good job, and he is developing players. I think this team will be scary good when the current class has a year or two under their belts. I just wish more people would support Sidney and see where this goes. And stop blaming him for the last three years when most of our players were Herb’s leftovers and were clearly not on the same page as Sidney.

  8. WolftownVA81 12/31/2009 at 11:53 AM #

    I see much progress over last year in regards to attitude, hustle and overall teamwork. However, you can only use the “we are improving” and “WTNY” argument but so long without results in the win column. This is Sid’s year to show he can manage the team and get more out of them than the sum of the individual players. I am pulling for Sid to succeed but do not think we should have to wait until year 5 or 6 to see that success. On the positive side, there have been some enjoyable moments watching this team where they show some real potential. Go Pack.

  9. 61Packer 12/31/2009 at 11:55 AM #

    I’ll step up to the plate and blame Lowe and his staff for our past three seasons’ failures. Who else should be blamed? Sendek is gone and this has not been his team since he landed in Tempe.

    Right now, it’s December 31, 2009, and Sidney Lowe is our coach, and is in his 4th season now. And based on what I’ve seen transpire on the court for these 3+ seasons, I just don’t see anything being better 12 months from now except that our talent level should be higher. Will that translate to success? It might get us out of the lower levels of the ACC to the middle of the conference, but the climb to a consistent 4th or 3rd (or higher) will take more than just an influx of better talent. How about coaching?

    Our coach draws his only experience from the NBA, where talent is the only thing that really matters. Look at the benching of Ben McCauley for JJ Hickson, a talented player who was about anything but his team, and he quickly bolted for the NBA. If this is the kind of player development this staff specializes in, then I can hardly wait until we get better talent next season.

    The problem is, until we get a coaching staff that needs less development than the players, we’ll never get anything near the talent level that’s been pouring into Durham and Chapel Hill for the past 20 seasons. We’ll just continue to wait on coaches to re-invent the wheel while Duke, Carolina, Wake and Maryland roll on. And when the masses grow impatient again, Jed will once again crawl out from under his rock and declare that things are improving and we should be more patient. Heck, he might even put in a plug for volleyball.

    Tomorrow is the first day of 2010. Enough already.

  10. Pack Mentality 12/31/2009 at 12:29 PM #

    I do not think that we’ll make the NCAA. We might make the NIT. Yes, the NIT is an improvement over the recent miserable failures of seasons. This has nothing to do with ME believeing it’s good season if you don’t make the NCAA. I’m an alumni of the school and I have every right to not sit around and say that another crappy season is alright because we have some good recruits next year. I don’t know what the answer is in terms of firing Sid or not, in fact I think Lee is way too stupid to do anything right. But please spare me any talk of calling me unrealistic because I’m unhappy with not making a tournament in which 65 teams are accepted.

  11. GoldenChain 12/31/2009 at 12:29 PM #

    We certianly can argue about the hire 61, I for one wanted to go the up-n-comin’ mid-major route. Since LR, I turned off comepletely on “family hires”. And in reality, we weren’t going to land a ‘silver tuna’.
    However it is what it is.
    Yes I agree that there were a lot of problems the 1st 3 years and they were Sid’s fault one way or another. The question is: did he learn and if so, did he learn enough to become a good coach? I say that its starting to look like can become decent. He was able to recruit better than most of recent coaches right off the bat. He is showing signs of being able to develop some players as well. His game management has improved and hopefully will continue to do so. And after all he does have Towe etc who have years of college coaching under their belts.

  12. blackdom 12/31/2009 at 12:42 PM #

    ^ I don’t see the signs really? I do not believe Sid has improved as a coach? And as far as having Towe around we hired family members not college level coaches and it shows!

  13. Shadow722 12/31/2009 at 1:19 PM #

    61

    I understand your frustration. You want relevance; you need relevance; and as a fan you demand relevance.

    But relevance can only come from one source: Having both the players, and a coach that can use them.

    Next year we will find out quickly,and without any doubt, if Lowe is that coach. If a top ten recruiting class, w/Harrow, Brown, and Cothron; along with seniors TSmith, and JGonzalez; and now sophmores; Davis, Painter, Howell, Wood, and Vandenberg, cannot get it done for Lowe. Then yes, he should go.

    We should know by this time next year. By game 13. If the Pack is not 13-0 or 12-1.

    Firing Lowe now, will be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Throwing him out in late Dec. 2010,if he does deliver, means keeping the recruits we now have in the immediate pipeline.

    And it will give that mythical new coach a chance to become relevant immediately. Surely that’s a WTNY that’s worth waiting for, or perhaps not…..

    I‘m going to apologize for editing your post (which is a first). I can’t read minds and we all want to keep the conversations here on a higher level than the internet-norm. Therefore, I’m going to ask that no one put words into anyone else’s mouth. Ask questions, dispute facts, etc. But stick to direct quotes when responding to a poster. Thanks.
    VaWolf82

  14. Gene 12/31/2009 at 2:43 PM #

    “I just don’t see anything being better 12 months from now except that our talent level should be higher. Will that translate to success?”

    Talent level = improvement. When we have the players who can slash to the basket and put pressure on another team’s perimeter defense, it will mean more success.

    Every mistake we make against good teams is magnified, because we don’t have the players, who can make up for those mistakes by just beating their guy one-on-one.

    The real issue is can we keep getting classes stacked with top 50 talent, like we should have coming in next year. If we can manage that the wins should improve.

  15. wolfmanmat 12/31/2009 at 3:21 PM #

    Javi and Tracy have both progressed alot since freshman. These guys were Sid’s first recruits. They have grown and are now instrumental at NC State. If you ask any reasonable basketball coach(Boeheim, K, Calhoun, Calipari..not Roy), they will tell you that players win games. That is the absolute truth. The Coach’s job is 4 fold: 1. to install discipline and work ethic 2. to get the players to improve 3 to play as a team and 4. to recruit. IMO Sid has installed discipline. We have no whinners like in year’s past. Sid has improved the talent: Tracy and Javi most notably. Sid has gotten us to play as a team this year, though that was a weakness in year’s past. And Sid has begun getting better classes. You can’t ask much else out of a coach. If a coach is successful in all these aspects, wins will follow. If Sid loses for the next 2 years, then we should can him, but he is building something and we would be stupid to tear it down right now.

  16. JeremyH 12/31/2009 at 4:19 PM #

    Talk of whether Lowe should stay or go is detrimental to the overall goals the program, and that’s regardless of who’s running it. It is not easy to establish a upper-tier program in the ACC, in fact perhaps there is a discussion to be had about the very good coaches the UNC and Duke machines have helped in running off (Cremins, Odom, etc.). Herb Sendek is a pretty good coach, and he built up the program to be a solid, mid-tier program. Some may argue that considering the fact that we have to share top-flight recruits in NC with those powerhouses listed above, it becomes nearly an impossible job, and therefore what Sendek accomplished was very good in that context.

    I have to agree with that. I also agree that the type of coach that can rise above that competition is someone like Sid Lowe. Sure, he is no Jim Valvano, but the guy has charisma, and have demonstrated he can reach and connect with pretty good talent. Being a leader requires convincing those working at your cause that it is beneficial to them to do so. No we didn’t get Cousins or Wall or Favors like we had hoped, but if he is given time to prove himself those recruits will come more steadily.

    Now I like the kind of players that he is recruiting. Sendek recruited sharp-shooting (unathletic) big guys that would fit into his system. But I think that system was originally designed to mitigate embarrassing losses against top-tier school, and try and scrap by the middle tier. A problem was that the program didn’t grow up out of that, again this could be traced back to the recruit-sharing issue.

    Don’t get me wrong we need more shooters. Horner is gone next year, and we need more than Wood that can hit threes consistently (which he has started to and will do with time). I think we could be getting so much more out of CJ and Mays if we play to their strengths. I have seen them both knock-down jumpers, and I think we should run plays to get those guys open and let them do their thing. But I’m not the coach and I don’t go to practices and I entrust in whatever Coach Lowe schemes for them. I think everyone agrees that CJ needs to assert himself (success or fail) and that if he can use some of his speed and establish a mid-range game, that will open up the game for everyone. On nights when Smith is getting mugged and Hess poses for the cameras, on the same night our threes are not falling, we need to manufacture points and a midrange + penetration game is the best way to go.

    I like the new class of recruits. Boy, guys like Davis, Vanderburg, and Wood fun to watch and develop. I really hope these guys make the NIT because it would be a great experience for them. I *really* like the next class, two highly-rated guards (finally) and a highly-rated big men. (CJ Leslie, you can come or not, we’re going to be good either way.)

    I think that Lowe is doing a good job given his circumstances. All this “20 years of irrelevancy” biz needs to be washed away. You may question whether Lowe’s ceiling will be at or above what Sendek was able to accomplish. I think that by the type of recruiting alone that the potential is there. But I think that given the season that he is in, and the directions things are going there is reason to be optimistic. (I’m not saying to be optimistic, that’s just a expression : )

  17. Wulfpack 12/31/2009 at 4:45 PM #

    I think there is reason to be optimistic as well. I am encouraged with the development of Javi and Smith. Not so much with CJ, Mays and Degand. But that should all take care of itself next year. We’ve finally got some studs coming in.

    I guess what I want to see this year is a continuation of what has already occurred. We’re competing. Players are improving. But to do this in the ACC, even a down ACC, is a step that won’t come easily. If we do that, there should be no problem earning an NIT bid.
    But if we regress (I do not see this happening) and do in fact finish last place with a losing record, then I’m going to call it a day with this program.

    Sid and co. will be around next year. I hope these guys are as good as advertised, and I hope they are open to instruction when they arrive. I have no reason to believe they aren’t. Next year could be good.

  18. Rick 12/31/2009 at 5:52 PM #

    “Alot of negativity surround Wolfpack athletics. IMO, this is why our program hasn’t advanced”

    Can someone please explain how not being satisfied with three years of crap basketball is going to hurt NCSU? Could it be the actual crap basketball is hurting far worse than some typing on the internet?

    There is no substance to this argument. Especially if you look at the recruiting class for next year. If the internet typing was hurting us so bad, how did Lowe pull in that class?

  19. Rick 12/31/2009 at 5:53 PM #

    “he negativity from some of you (Rick, Basspacker) is rediculous.”

    Can you please point out my “negative” posts that are so rediculous (sic).

  20. JeremyH 12/31/2009 at 6:57 PM #

    Look, I don’t necessarily agree with Rick’s politics, but please know the “rules of engagement” for a forum like this one. You cannot say simply that someone is wrong or silly, but rather you can challenge that his conclusion does not follow from his premises, or if it in fact does follow, challenge that the premises are unsound (not in fact true).

  21. wolfmanmat 01/01/2010 at 8:03 AM #

    “Can someone please explain how not being satisfied with three years of crap basketball is going to hurt NCSU? Could it be the actual crap basketball is hurting far worse than some typing on the internet?

    There is no substance to this argument. Especially if you look at the recruiting class for next year. If the internet typing was hurting us so bad, how did Lowe pull in that class?”

    There is a difference between not being satisfied and calling for a coach’s head constantly. Obviously, no one is satisfied with losing basketball; however, Pack fans should be satisfied that the program appears to be making strides. Being unsatisfied is not negative. Calling for a coach’s head is. …I didn’t make the “ridiculous” comment by the way. … Anyway, like I argued before, recruits read this stuff. We have lost out on several big name recruits in the last 3 years and no one can say for certain that it is “negativity” or “bad basketball” so both arguments are opinions really. But, the fact is: look at WHERE our players are coming from. Long distance. Javi, Horner, Tracy, Wood, Hickson, Harrow, Lorenzo. Everyone out of State and not even “bordering” States. We got 2 in-state players who “play” and they aren’t top shelf in Josh and CJ. They had no better option than NCSU either in-state or out. Point is, we can’t get anyone within 200 miles of Raleigh to come to NCState. Now, is that because we have sucked for 20 years or because the mood in Raleigh is always negative? I don’t know, but I suspect it is a bit of both.

  22. VaWolf82 01/01/2010 at 12:04 PM #

    There is a difference between not being satisfied and calling for a coach’s head constantly.

    How many people are calling for Sid to be fired? By reading the comments here and some at PP, my feeling is that the large, large majority of State fans expect Sid to coach next year. So can we let this particular straw man go?

    But regardless, telling people what to do or think is never productive…and especially not when you give no tangible evidence for your point of view.

    Pack fans should be satisfied that the program appears to be making strides.

    What are you basing this on? State’s best win of the year so far is against Austin Peay or Marquette….but even Marquette is picked to finish near the bottom of the BE.

    So that leaves recruiting for your optimism. Have you ever heard of Dinky Proctor? Either way, that should explain why I don’t substitute recruiting “stars” for wins when evaluating a coach. State fans want Sid to succeed. However dreaming up new definitions for success didn’t work for the Herbavores and won’t work for Sid either.

    we can’t get anyone within 200 miles of Raleigh to come to NCState. Now, is that because we have sucked for 20 years or because the mood in Raleigh is always negative?

    Speculation on State fans negativity on the internet goes back to at least as far as Herb. Your premise is fundamentally flawed because every fan base of a losing team is unhappy and in today’s world shares that unhappiness on the WWW. So if your premise was valid, then no losing team could ever turn their program around because of the negativity. However programs do get turned around….so the negativity is obviously not that much of a hindrance to future success.

  23. Rick 01/01/2010 at 12:57 PM #

    VaWolf did I far better job of debunking those rather flaccid arguments than I could. I am tired of people telling others how to act as fans. I am even more tired of weak, baseless arguments being used to try to justify their attempts to force their opinions on others.

  24. GoldenChain 01/02/2010 at 3:58 PM #

    VA I guess its comments front page 1 of this thread that make me lump all the Sid critics in with wanting him fired:
    “i think sidney is a horrible coach. his lineups are horrific,i cant wait till we get a competent coach in there”
    “Lee Fowler has placed State in one of the worst positions possible: it will be forced to fire one of its most beloved players ever.”
    The straw man can do what he wants but every time comments like the ones above are posted you can expect 3 pages of response.

    And as far as “weak baseless and flaccid” arguments on improvement in the program; I haven’t posted an opinion that I haven’t backed up with stats here or in the forum (like Javi’s improvement based on A/TOs, scoring trends in the 1st 6 games vs the next 6 etc & soforth). I would say quite the opposite, that the naysayers are those who have the weak baseless arguments because they refuse to admit that even the slightest improvements are being made. They do that with comments like:
    “I don’t see the signs really? I do not believe Sid has improved as a coach?”
    Oh, and Rick, if you want to know a post that was “rediculous”ly negative:
    “Can you tell us the trend of the ACC record of the last three teams?” (I was talking about THIS team THIS year’s scoring of the 1st 6 vs the second 6 games, not defending the last 3, besides, I already admitted that plenty of coaching mistakes had been made but my hope is that Sid is learning from his mistakes, and I think he is).

    I wasn’t in favor of hiring him in the 1st place and I think he’s made some terrible blunders. But I’ve watched or listened to every game this year and reviewed the box scores ….and so far this year my opinion based on those 3 criteria (eyes, ears, stats) is that there is an improvement over last year. Hopefully it will hold up, I think it will.
    Will it be enough to satisfy the most frustrated fans? I doubt it seriously.

  25. VaWolf82 01/02/2010 at 4:24 PM #

    VA I guess its comments front page 1 of this thread that make me lump all the Sid critics in with wanting him fired:

    My comments were in response to wolfmanmat, not you. He gave no information, just told everyone what they should feel and think.

    I went back and reread the comments on the first page. There were two posts of 25 complaining about Sidney….which seems insufficient for wolfmanmat’s whining on page 3.

    I saw your comments on improvement over the course of this season. The problem is that the schedule is so weak, that conclusions drawn about improvement are suspect…especially since State has lost every game played against decent competition so far.

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