DeCourcy defends common sense

Tracy Smith’s suspension for tonights big game at Arizona is drawing commentary from national personalities.

Yesterday, Sporting News’ Mike DeCourcy chimed in with some thoughts about the league’s policy. The key descriptive term here is — ‘absurd’.

State your case

It’s not a First Amendment issue; it’s a common sense issue: No way should N.C. State’s Tracy Smith be suspended for criticizing the officiating following Sunday’s loss to Wake Forest.

Smith told the assembled media the refs called too many touch fouls and “favored Wake Forest all the way.” A suspension for such comments—he’ll miss State’s game Wednesday against Arizona—is absurd.

Smith did not question the officials’ integrity, only their competence. A league policy that insists refs should be above such comments is without merit.

I appreciate the comments and the attention that Smith’s comments are drawing to the abomination that is also known as ACC Officiating. (See this blog entry) However, suffering long time Wolfpackers are scratching our collective heads about this particular spat as we have all witnessed significantly worse officiating, and game changing calls, throughout our lifetime. It is odd to me that this ‘status quo’ officiated event was the game that drew ire and comments from an NC State player.

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28 Responses to DeCourcy defends common sense

  1. primacyone 12/23/2009 at 11:02 AM #

    I think the national attention is due to the suspension of Tracy. Had he not been suspended, there would be no national attention.

    However, I 100% agree with DeCourcy that the supension is absurd. The kid was in a press conference and was answering questions. He’s a 20-21 year old kid talking to the media and he’s being asked to control and dictate his thoughts into politically correct verbage on the spot. He shouldn’t have to do that, and if he does have to do that, he shouldn’t be suspended for making a mistake and letting it slip. ABSURD it is. Common sense it is.

    And yes, the policy is awful. You can’t voice an opinion? Eveyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter what it is.

  2. packalum44 12/23/2009 at 11:17 AM #

    So Sidney Lowe goes above and beyond ACC academic policy to suspend Degand for several games, possibly costing us a win against NW. Now he suspends Tracy Smith in what many objective minds think is an overreaction. If I’m him, I retract the suspension and play him. We NEED this game and its WINNABLE with Tracy.

    Its just effing crazy how the personnel on this team are managed or more fittingly described, mismanaged.

  3. Clarksa 12/23/2009 at 11:25 AM #

    ^so holding our team to a higher standard is now a bad thing?

  4. leewolf 12/23/2009 at 11:34 AM #

    This won’t be an issue if we go out and beat Arizona. Let’s see what happens tonight.

    And honestly, I have no problem with Sid doing what he did with both Degand and Smith. I would rather this be his reaction than what we have seen from other ACC coaches when similar or worse transgressions have happened.

  5. Broccoman 12/23/2009 at 11:41 AM #

    Hell, it’s Sid’s job to get suspended/reprimanded to protect his players. Seriously, I’d love to see us just forfeit a game and walk off the court over officiating. That would send a message nationally, and maybe finally get something done.

    Has any program ever done this?

  6. Thinkpack17 12/23/2009 at 11:43 AM #

    “So Sidney Lowe goes above and beyond ACC academic policy to suspend Degand for several games, possibly costing us a win against NW.”

    See this is where Sid just can’t win. Last year with the Costner saga we have people yelling, ‘If you have problems with the kid, sit his butt down…that’ll teach him.’ Here he goes and actually does it and the other side yells. I don’t get it.

    That’s a convo for a different day. In our country NO ONE is above criticism, not cops, not priests, not teachers, not doctors. Just look at how we have treated our last 2 Presidents. So why are refs just so untouchable? Because they have a tough job? I have a tough job…well, not really. But lots of other people have tough jobs and if they make a mistake you just don’t sweep in under the rug, you shine a light on it. I think being the President of the United States is a very tough job. It’s complete garbage. That goes for David Stern too.

  7. choppack1 12/23/2009 at 12:08 PM #

    “Seriously, I’d love to see us just forfeit a game and walk off the court over officiating. That would send a message nationally, and maybe finally get something done.

    Has any program ever done this?”

    That has long been a dream of mine. I’d love to see Sidney Lowe do that in Cameron or the Deam Dome. In the post game, he’d simply say, “We’ve tried to do things the right way for several seasons.”
    “We’ve sent several videotapes to the conference.”
    “We’re told that our concerns are being addressed, yet the behavior continues.”
    “I honestly believed that we had no choice but to do this to draw attention to a consistent behavior that jeopardizes the integrity of this sport and conference.”
    “I am sorry it came to this, but the conference has left me no other choice.”

  8. choppack1 12/23/2009 at 12:10 PM #

    Here’s a thought – could this “rule” violate whistle-blowing laws?

    Our coaches and players are basically told that they can’t take their greivances public if they have a problem w/ the official. I think there’s a serious problem w/ that.

  9. JeremyH 12/23/2009 at 12:13 PM #

    Does DeCourcy know Smith used bad language? (I think this matters to the powers that be).

    I think the suspension is something Sid needed to do, especially since he has a history of losing control of his teams. He has gradually learned you cannot be their friends, (and cannot favor any players, even the 1-and-done variety), and that you have to set the tone early (like beating someone up on your first day of prison…like in the movies).

    I think the media is giving it extra attention because there isn’t really much to talk about right now. It’s either this or Tiger Woods, or something like that. I give a big resounding “meh” to the whole situation.

    As for our team, we lost to Wake because our inside game has been our strength and that was taken away by Wake Forest. Also with Javi hurting some of our penetration game is missing, so it is difficult to get people open. I think Mays should be just used as a spot-up shooter, when he is at the point the offense just slows to a halt. I am glad to see Scott Wood warming up, we need more production from him and Williams. As for the latter guy, I want to see him try to penetrate at least *once*; who does he think he is, Courtney Fells?

  10. bradleyb123 12/23/2009 at 12:13 PM #

    I think Sid *had* to suspend Tracy for this. It was proactive, because the league probably would have done it for him. And we all know if Roy had a player that complained publicly about officiating (never mind the complete and total IRONY that would be!), and did NOT suspend the player, we’d probably be giving him a hard time about it.

    If Sid doesn’t suspend Tracy, he’d take more heat. And Tracy would probably end up suspended anyway.

    I think it’s a little absurd, too. But it is one of the rules.

  11. pack44fan 12/23/2009 at 12:29 PM #

    If Tracy was not suspended, can you imagine the retalatory calls Tracy and the team would have gotten later on?

  12. choppack1 12/23/2009 at 12:32 PM #

    I listened to the clip – what did Tracy say?

  13. 61Packer 12/23/2009 at 1:00 PM #

    I’m not taking sides here, but if a player commits fouls, shouldn’t they be called? I saw a Wake player get 4 fouls called within a 5-minute span, so should a couple of those have been “overlooked” because he’d already picked up a couple more? I didn’t hear that player bellyache to the media afterward.

    Yes, Smith is only 20 or 21, but he should have known that any public criticism of officiating by coaches or players is against league rules. And the coaches should make their players aware of it before the media sticks a microphone in their face. My personal opinion is that this kind of criticism reflects poorly on the player and his team, regardless of how dumb the rule may seem.

    We’ve already got too many other problems to deal with. It’s time to stop blaming the refs, the media, and the league for our shortcomings. We’re way too focused on this rather than playing a Pac 10 opponent on national tv tonight.

  14. hball57 12/23/2009 at 1:08 PM #

    I understand the initial comment. While it was against ACC rules, in the emotion occurring right after a loss, I understand the comments. Anyone who challenges that has never been in that type of situation, IMHO. It’s easy to sit in a chair and say Tracey should know better and should just shut up.

    On the other hand, I am upset with the reporters after the game. They heard the first comment, which they immediately knew would get Tracey in trouble. They then asked Tracey to elaborate. IMHO they baited Tracey to get deeper in trouble to pad their stories. They helped create the story, which is (or should not be) the job of a journalist. Each of them had a choice – their choice was to broadcast this comment and make it the story. Which provided them another story – Tracey suspended. After Tracey’s first game back, what do you think their first question will be?

  15. choppack1 12/23/2009 at 1:31 PM #

    good point hball – listening to the clip – it was obvious they were “fishing.”

    Funny, how something like that is turned around and distributed in less than 48 hours yet the whole Moss fiasco took over a week.

  16. StateFans 12/23/2009 at 2:01 PM #

    These are some very interesting points…but…in this specific situation I think it is relatively inconsequential because if Sidney had not suspended Tracy then the ACC would.

    So, Sidney did that 100% correct thing to go ahead and do it himself.

    First, he gets all the intangible ‘credit’ and media for running a tight ship and ‘doing things the right way’. If you need more evidence of this then just look at Andy Katz’s tweet from yesterday (that we ‘re-tweeted’)

    Second, Karl Hess is officiating this upcoming game as well as many other games for us. So, since Sidney publicly/effectively took Hess’ side then it is very hard for to Hess to hold a grudge against our program.

  17. ms termeaner 12/23/2009 at 2:22 PM #

    Sid had no choice ,his hands were tied either he sits Tracey or the league does!

  18. Master 12/23/2009 at 2:50 PM #

    I’d like to understand the rule a little better. Are players not allowed to comment on the officiating in any way? If so, there should be a rule forbidding the press from even asking questions about officiating. Otherwise, the “objective” journalist could just run to a player invloved in a questionable call and bait the player into make some kind of comment to draw a suspension.

    I’m sure that’s not the case and there would never be such a stupid rule. Therefore, we must have a system or rule in place that says you can only talk about the officiating in positive terms. That’s just BS.

  19. Shadow722 12/23/2009 at 2:56 PM #

    Statefans

    In reading the last part of your post; I and quote:

    “Second, Karl Hess is officiating this upcoming game as well as many other games for us. So, since Sidney publicly/effectively took Hess’ side then it is very hard for to Hess to hold a grudge against our program.”

    It strikes me as bizarre, (not your statement, but the situation in general), that the we (NC State) should take action against the 20-21 YO amateur (T Smith), because the “paid professional”, in this case Hess; might take retribution or hold a grudge, due to the amateur’s “intemperate remarks”.

    Though I agree, that could well be the case, it is a strange world indeed in Collage Athletics, were the kids are held to higher standards than the professionals paid to promote fairness and equality of outcomes.

  20. SeaWolf 12/23/2009 at 3:01 PM #

    “Though I agree, that could well be the case, it is a strange world indeed in Collage Athletics, where the kids are held to higher standards than the professionals paid to promote fairness and equality of outcomes.”

    Amen, brother.

  21. choppack1 12/23/2009 at 3:20 PM #

    It’s a shame that officials actually have the opposite of what would think the intended effect of an official should be:

    Keep the game fair and insure that the rules are applied evenly.

  22. MrPlywood 12/23/2009 at 4:07 PM #

    Here’s an interesting article about officiating bias:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4682821

    Someone in this thread mentioned the run-stopping foul calls – it’s clear that there is some correlation and whether it’s a conscious or sub-conscious phenomenon, these calls are made. They do affect the game. The refs can and do dictate flow. It gets magnified when a ref has a spotlight seeking personality and the need to make himself part of the game. I would also assert that they pay extra attention to particular teams – that they call some teams very close or give others more latitude. As a State fan it’s easy to feel like the Pack gets the shaft in high profile games, i.e. UNX or Duke, when it seems that State has to play a perfect game in order to win. You can liken it to a heavyweight fight – in order to win, the challenger has to knock out the champ. If it goes to the cards, you’re hooped.

  23. bradleyb123 12/23/2009 at 4:16 PM #

    ^^^ “Second, Karl Hess is officiating this upcoming game as well as many other games for us. So, since Sidney publicly/effectively took Hess’ side then it is very hard for to Hess to hold a grudge against our program.”

    While I agree with this, something is very troubling about it. It implies that refs will call a game one way or another if they happen to hold a grudge against a particular team. How powerful they must feel!

  24. graywolf 12/23/2009 at 4:46 PM #

    The game has become way too political. It is now the haves and the have nots and we are on the have not side.

    It is a shame that the kid tells the truth and he is the one sitting on the bench. I hope the media keeps the heat on the officials and their bias so that change does occur. I however don’t think it will make any difference, unless it becomes worse.

  25. whitefang 12/23/2009 at 4:53 PM #

    I have a different take on this. While it is likely that the ACC would have suspended Smith I would have preferred to have seen Lowe NOT suspend him, force the league to do so, and use this as a way to highlight the officiating in general and this stupid rule in particular(Yes I think the rule is stupid – especially since the kid really didn’t go totally off on the officials). And use it to highlight the kid glove treatment that schools in blue get as well.
    Instead we have the same “shoot our own selves in the head and that’ll make us look better” mentality that has been around since we ran off JV.

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