Will You Be An “Irrational Kook” Saturday In CFS? (updated)

Joe Ovies, on WRAL Sports’ Fankind blog has a word or two for fans who are planning to wear a bag over their head Saturday when the Wolfpack takes on the Terps:

Go Shove Your Face In a Bag

“A few disgruntled NC State message board illuminati are planning to attend this Saturday’s game against Maryland with brown paper bags over their heads. A classic move by fans when they’re ashamed of a team. But this is Wuffie nation we’re talking about, and a very vocal minority is always willing to make the rest of the fanbase look like a bunch of irrational kooks.”

First of all, I have to say that I find it hyperbolic that NC State’s fans are somehow unique in having a cadre of fans off the deep end  After all, one doesn’t have to look any farther than our friends in Chapel Hill, who had a meltdown over their basketball coach wearing a sticker and have been booing and throwing things at their starting quarterback recently.   Duke’s fans have moaned in their time, as well.  The Lunatic Fringe is everywhere, friends, make no mistake about it.

Joe then goes on to say that doing this would be red meat for the press, something that our friend James at the “Yet Another NC State Sports Blog” orginally pointed out. Joe and James are correct, someone would inevitably use it against NC State.

Look, I get it. You’re pissed. I am, too. I imagine the tone of the previous post here conveyed that. I’ve been very disappointed in the defensive coaching and in coach Tom O’Brien’s stubborn insistence to shift the blame away from his coaching staff toward the players.

However, the LAST thing you need to consider doing as a fan or student is donning a paper bag, or any other highly-visible sign of discontent, to this week’s football game.

I say this primarily for this reason: Wearing a bag over your head provides any photographer or cameraman a perfect photo opportunity to land you in the paper or on TV. You may say to yourself, “Good. That’s the point.” But think of this: Any photo snapped wearing a bag cannot be “un-taken.” It will be circulated, filed away and reused at any time deemed necessary by a party outside of the university, most likely in a damaging fashion.

Anyhow, I really don’t see the point of the bags.  They really won’t change anything, and wearing one is not all that unique.   Or funny.   But I don’t think wearing one would be irrational, and it won’t make you stand out as a kook.  It just won’t change anything or shame the Wolfpack team into playing better.

NOTE: I have removed my earlier statement about the News and Observer.  The reason why is because it contained a factual error that was pointed out to me: their circulation is not falling, their ad revenue is.  In the age of increasingly electronic journalism, the print side of that business – be it a newspaper, a magazine or whatever – is facing that particular challenge.   Newspapers used to have a huge revenue stream from their classified ads, for example, but that has dived like a broken submarine.  Readership apparently has not, or at least as much as it might seem.

Finally, let it be said that we stand up and point out when we are wrong and in this case, I was wrong.  My apologies for my error.  — Alpha

'09 Football NCS Football

41 Responses to Will You Be An “Irrational Kook” Saturday In CFS? (updated)

  1. packalum44 11/05/2009 at 11:33 AM #

    I put a bag on my head when I read WRAL.

  2. redcoatrevival 11/05/2009 at 11:43 AM #

    Great post. I’m not sure, though, that fans who wear bags do it to be funny or to shame the team. In my opinion, the “point” is to make a grassroots effort to draw public/media scrutiny to the program by showing the embarrassment of the fanbase. Of course, the end result is that the team may feel shamed, but I don’t think that’s the intent. At any rate, I won’t be wearing a bag. But I will support almost any effort by our fans to get rid of Fowler.

  3. travelwolf 11/05/2009 at 11:58 AM #

    How about wearing a bag when Fowler has a news conference?

  4. Thinkpack17 11/05/2009 at 12:01 PM #

    If they were a pro team I’d could maybe see a point in it. But these are kids who we asked to come here, not grown men who are getting paid. The next time I go to Buffalo for a MNF game I will have a paper bag on my head. Saturday…I’ll probably leave it at home.

    If we lose I will have Joe Pesci put a plastic bag over my head.

  5. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2009 at 12:03 PM #

    I think of it as silent booing. I think that the players — no matter how bad they are — deserve a little better than that. Like Think said, they are not pros.

    I would expect no more than 12-25 paper baggers in the crowd Saturday and I bet they won’t be all that popular anyway.

  6. T-FIC 11/05/2009 at 12:17 PM #

    I’ll be one of the ones with a paper bag on my head on Saturday, and if we lose to Maryland I am switching to plastic…

  7. ldr of the pk 75 11/05/2009 at 12:27 PM #

    New Orleans ‘Aint’s wanna be’s. You gotta admit it was funny at the time.

    If our offense plays like it did against FSU, no need for the bags or the defense for that matter.

    I get Joe Pescied enough at the Fast Food Drive Thru.

  8. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2009 at 12:52 PM #

    ^ Yeah, it was funny the first couple of times around. But it’s been done, even at NC State during the Amato era.

    And the Reed era too, I had forgotten about that until a friend sent a picture.

  9. Wufpacker 11/05/2009 at 12:59 PM #

    I’m in agreement with those of you that think that “bagging it” is a bit over the top and not appropriate, especially given that this is a university not a pro sports franchise.

    However, regarding the comments about the press and why fans of NCSU, or even NCSU in general, seem to be viewed differently than fans of other schools, I certainly don’t know why this is true but it is certainly true. And its not just NCSU fanbase vs other fans. The press will decide certain things are pertinent, seemingly arbitrarily and without reason. For instance, why was it recently declared that NCSU is past the point of dealing with Amato-related issues, and yet they can’t seem to let go of their favorite former NCSU underachiever, Herb Sendek?

    Denigrating the NCSU fanbase, or NCSU in general, for doing the same things that other fans/schools do is only the tip of the iceberg. Another example is, why the big (not to mention continued) uproar over the situation of Herb leaving (NCSU fans forced him out, how could they do that to such a nice guy who wins, etc.) but never a cross word about UNC when they out and out canned Doherty, despite the fact that he had only been given 3 years, and had a final four and a coach of the year award to his credit in those 3 years.

    Just one of the reasons why reading the local press has become a thing of the past for me and why just about the only time I see any of their articles/opinions is when they’re linked here. The local press has an agenda (actually, to be accurate, they have many of them) and they cannot get past them to effectively report. They might have better inside information, at times, than many of the national sources, but the bias it brings is not worth the extra depth.

  10. PoppaJohn 11/05/2009 at 1:15 PM #

    Well said all, by the time I got in all three of my points had been made.

    1. Bags – The NO ‘Aints’ did it best, everyone else is wannabes (btw, it seems to have worked out pretty well – eventually – for NO)
    2. The kids need our support. I believe they are giving it their all, they are undermanned and inadequately prepared.
    3. This is just more media crap, they are trying to get a rise out of an incredibly passionate fanbase. Ignore them, I do.

  11. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2009 at 1:28 PM #

    The local press has an agenda (actually, to be accurate, they have many of them) and they cannot get past them to effectively report.

    In fairness, many of the reporters that cover NC State do it fairly and effectively. Some may not, but it is unfair at the same time to point a finger at them all.

    Joe Giglio, for example, does a good job in my mind. Is he perfect? Probably not, but I don’t think of him as being an agenda-driven op-ed writer disguising his views as hard news. Also, if Joe is wrong, he says he is wrong and that earns my respect from anyone.

    Mark Armstrong over at WTVD is another guy I think does a great job.

    So bottom line, let’s be honest and say that not every guy with a pen or a TV camera is Woody Durham talking about NC State.

  12. T-FIC 11/05/2009 at 1:35 PM #

    Yeah if someone actually shows up with a bag on their head I will have to say something to them, especially with how drunk I will obviously have to be to watch NC State football. Thats just ridiculous, we are bad but we are nowhere near the disgrace of even considering wearing a paper bag during a game.

    SFN: As we’ve said many times, not giving anyone a soapbox to bitch about the site being “negative.” Thanks.

  13. ms termeaner 11/05/2009 at 1:38 PM #

    Bags for football what about the last 3 years of basketball ,our AD does not get it and we will be talking about wearing bags or playing at an empty RBC until he is long gone I am afraid.

  14. Pack01 11/05/2009 at 1:41 PM #

    How about everyone just cheer for state. I am sick of going to games and listening to so many people complain and call plays from the stands. Or people that say fire Fowler. He probably should be fired but you know what he has nothing to do with the way the team is performing that day. Your job is to cheer for the team and to be loud. Obviously if you do neither of these things or if you boo the state or the coaching staff you didn’t want us to win anyway.

  15. Khan 11/05/2009 at 2:55 PM #

    ^

    “Your job is to cheer for the team and to be loud. Obviously if you do neither of these things or if you boo the state or the coaching staff you didn’t want us to win anyway.”

    Bull.

  16. T-FIC 11/05/2009 at 3:14 PM #

    ^
    SFN: As we’ve said many times, not giving anyone a soapbox to bitch about the site being “negative.” Thanks.

    Not sure what in the hell that means but anyone that can read can see that most of the comments are “negative”. Just calling it like I see it. Thanks.

  17. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2009 at 3:22 PM #

    ^ As are most of the NC State blogs and forums I have read lately. State fans are not exactly happy at the way that this season has turned out and a sizable number of folks are frustrated.

    I can’t think of a single State fan that wouldn’t rather be talking about what bowl the Pack might end up in, or how well the hoops team would have to play to get a favorable NCAA Tournament seeding and whether the baseball team will break through to Omaha after hosting a Super Regional at Doak Field or whatever.

    Instead, we are on a four game losing streak with no real end in sight, and the prognosis for basketball is as grim as I can remember…ever. Maybe some folks are better at finding sunshine in all of that, but a lot of other folks are not…which you are seeing here.

  18. PackMan97 11/05/2009 at 3:32 PM #

    Now a bag that had a photocopy of Lee Fowler on the front of it…that’s something I could wear 🙂

  19. pack44fan 11/05/2009 at 4:31 PM #

    Some State fans may seem to be “irrational” to some degree, but think of how long it has been since we have actually been revelant in football and baskeball. I can only imagine what our neighbors’ fans would be doing if both their major sports programs were in the basement of the conference. I like to think of state fans as being creative as I am reminded by one of the funniest signs I have ever seen at a sporting event. I was in Carter Finley during the Kiffin/Reed years when Toll Avery was our quarterback. The banner said “Next year, we will be 1-800-Toll-Free!! As state, fans, always wait until next year.

  20. coach13 11/05/2009 at 4:37 PM #

    The bag is to send a message of urgency. Fans feel it is urgent to do something. We hate constantly being in the bottom and coaches seeming dumbfounded. I would have at least felt better if he would have come out and fired the defensive coordinator as aa sign of good faith. Why can every other team at least start to have winning seasons with good coaches in year 3 and 4. Hell, we suck. 3 years and we suck. At the rate we are improving we should be able to contend for an Atlantic division title…in 2019. WTF? State fans are smarter than folks give us credit. We know it takes 5 or 6 years to get his team set up, but my God, you tellin’ me we suck this bad after 3 years? We could have kept Amato or O’Cain and sucked this bad. We could have hired my old highschool coach and sucked this bad after 3 years. TOB better make some kind of monumental change after this season. He does not have a good coaching staff below him. I hate being a state fan.

  21. coach13 11/05/2009 at 4:38 PM #

    We are not irrational…we are just to damn smart for our own good.

  22. Master 11/05/2009 at 5:06 PM #

    I think anyone who wears a bag on his head IS irrational. What an insult it is to have the “so-called” fans in a silent protest of this team when so many of their teammates have given up their bodies for this season. It’s an insult to the injured and an insult to the men still playing shorthanded. Just go take a look at the scholarship players that have missed each game and tell me that we would not be any beter if they were able to play.

    Indeed, as a 50 year fan of the WolfPack, I have to agree that our fanbase borders on ignorant if not irrational from time to time. Most comments, whether on this blog or from the stands, are more about measuring dicks than intelligent anaysis.

    Bring on the flames.

  23. ruffles31 11/05/2009 at 5:09 PM #

    I don’t think 99% of the commenters or bloggers here would ever really consider, yet actually go to a State game with bags on their head. That is so out of line that I don’t even know where to start. If they aren’t happy with the product, then most people will either not go to the game or not buy tickets, for the remaining games or even next year.

    But we as State fans are irrational kooks, aka the lunatic fringe. You shouldn’t expect to win a conference title in 30 years in football or 20 years in basketball.

  24. Pack01 11/05/2009 at 5:13 PM #

    “He does not have a good coaching staff below him. I hate being a state fan. Then don’t be one.” Since Phil, was QB here does doesn’t anyone remember how terrible our offense was. The offense has dramatically improved the past two years to near the top of the acc. Besides our D line our Line backers and Secondary especially have little to no experience. Just look at the games last year nate irving was hurt and compare them to when he played. Obviously he was the difference maker for this defense. Its the same as losing your QB on on offense. This is not excuse but it is a big part of the problem. We are not a deep enough team by any means on defense to be losing players like that. Once the defense gets more experienced and learns the system they will be a lot better. What I am saying is that despite our record, once the defense can put it together and get deeper, we are not that far away from being a good solid football team. You cannot just fire everyone and hope that things will get better. Our team as a whole has gotten better every year. This year so far we started with a bad deck of cards on defense.

  25. Alpha Wolf 11/05/2009 at 5:14 PM #

    @Master:

    I will agree with your first statement, but vehemently disagree with the second paragraph.

    It is my experience that State fans are no more or no less crazy than any other fan base, pro or college. You want delusional and living in the past? Visit a Toronto Maple Leafs board. You want arrogant? Visit a Cowboys board. You want utterly insane? Check out the Bills or the Sabres. You want a hair trigger group ready to fire a coach at the drop of a hat? Go to an Alabama site. You want obnoxious and dumb? Listened to the callers on Jim Rome lately? Sheesh, they are reading from index cards hurling insults at one another. Read Deadspin lately? Read The Big Lead? Any monkey board, be it PP, IC or the Maryland one?

    That may prove your point to a degree, except that I think that this place largely has intelligent analysis, both in the articles and comments. Maybe I am quite biased, but this community is one of the best on the Internet IMO.

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