Tigers Mangle Pack, 43-23

In a game nowhere near as close as the final score, the Clemson Tigers eviscerated NC State yesterday in Carter-Finley, 43-23.  We blogged and had a lot of community input during the game that can be seen by clicking here.

Given that Clemson are the Tigers, and tigers of course have claws, perhaps synonyms for “claw” (the verb) yield the best description of what Clemson was able to do to the NC State defense: “lacerate, mangle, maul, open, rip, scrabble, scrap, scrape, scratch, tear, break, dig, graze, hurt.”  On offense, State played a fairly decent game, despite the tough Clemson defense they were facing.  Special teams, on the other hand, well, if they were “special”, it was the sort of “special” that is brought to local school on short yellow buses.

There’s simply no other way to describe this game.  If State was ever “in” the game, it was due to the offense and little else.  Problem is, as soon as the Wolfpack would score and trim the Tiger lead, the NC State defense was hardly able to slow the Clemson running game or passing game.  Even worse, a questionable strategy of refusing to kick to all-star C. J. Spiller left Clemson with superb field position all day, making their task of keeping the game out of hand all the easier.

Tom O’Brien said as much in his post-game interview, as described by the News and Observer:

While waiting for the game, some of N.C. State’s players saw highlights of Clemson running back C.J. Spiller on ESPN at the team hotel.

They hardly needed to be reminded of Spiller’s ability. He is the ACC career all-purpose yardage leader and has crept into contention in a wide-open Heisman Trophy race.

So how did he get so wide open for a 34-yard touchdown catch in the fourth quarter of N.C. State’s 43-23 loss to the 24th-ranked Tigers on Saturday at Carter-Finley Stadium?

Coach Tom O’Brien had difficulty explaining. He didn’t understand why the Wolfpack defenders made the coverage check that they did. He said two freshmen in the secondary weren’t where they were supposed to be.

“That’s just bad defense,” he said.

In this case, O’Brien was correct: the defensive secondary had multiple lapses in coverage leaving dangerous all-conference caliber receivers wide open and able to waltz into the end zone.  You might be able to call it “Dancing With The Stars,” except State defenders were ten yards away, watching as haplessly as the fans in the stands.

Clemson averaged a season high 8.3 yards per play against the Wolfpack on Saturday. It was the highest average for a Clemson team since 2006 when Clemson averaged 9.64 yards a play against Temple. TEMPLE!? TEMPLE!?

Many fans made the observation that, like most of the games this season, Clemson was able to easily convert multiple key third and long situations when Mike Archer chose to rush only three or four defenders and allow Kyle Parker to pick apart our soft zone in the secondary. In fact, one thread on an NC State message board was titled, ‘3rd and Zone’ highlighting how the Wolfpack rarely chose to blitz and pressure Parker on 3rd down and how easily the Tigers were able to convert and ultimately drive for scores. At the end of the day the Wolfpack had created zero sacks in a game that Coach O’Brien previously stated would see us blitz a lot.

The loss ends any slim hopes the Wolfpack team and its fans may have harbored of making a bowl game.

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37 Responses to Tigers Mangle Pack, 43-23

  1. McPete 11/15/2009 at 9:35 PM #

    “Anybody know if Rivers has a little brother or a cousin?”

    He does! His younger brother, Stephen Rivers, is a QB in the 2011 class. He plays in Alabama and will stay in the SEC though, according to recruiting experts. Tennessee has already offered.

    edit: according to himself, he’d like to play in the sec.

    http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/a.z?s=178&p=8&c=1&nid=4045247

  2. wolfpacker 11/16/2009 at 1:25 AM #

    If you haven’t NOTICED, they are much closer to building a PROGRAM than NC State. I have many acquaintances from the hill and they have been saying…”don’t worry in three years the Wolfpack won’t even be able to compare to the Holes and THEY ARE CORRECT!”

    They are much closer my friends, we are much farther away…

    These guys do it right… we do it wrong, every single time. It would be nice if our own management department would do a case study on how poorly run NCSU’s athletic department is compared to all our ACC schools in the state.

    We hire lack-luster coaches, who haven’t proven anything and take a chance on them. We start losing and we try to figure out where we went wrong…are we really this clueless?

  3. Rick 11/16/2009 at 9:01 AM #

    Why do people keep saying TOB must answer their questions?

    How long before you realize there is no accountability in our athletic department?

  4. Rick 11/16/2009 at 9:06 AM #

    Here is little head jed’s evaluation of TOB

    1) Do they have the fuh-cilites they need?
    No, they need an indoor practice fuh-cility. It is why they lost the Clemson game. Tommy told me that himself
    2) Have they suffered any season changing injuries?
    Yes, multiple
    3) Is there potential for improvement?
    Yes, no where to go but up
    4) Does he play golf?
    No, but said he is willing to learn since he is retiring soon.

    Overall rating
    Excellent, no one can expect Tommy to succeed given the impossible challenges he had faced. Once we build the indoor practice fuh-cility we will only give him 6 more years to have a winning season.

  5. RegularExpression 11/16/2009 at 11:33 AM #

    What a difference a year makes. Last year after 10 games we were 4-6 and facing UNC in game 11. There was a definite sense of optimism since we seemed to be improving throughout the year. Same record this year but every ounce of energy seems to have been drained from the program.

    Personally, as a fan I am finding it hard to keep playing the role of Charlie Brown running up to kick the football only to have Lucy yank it away. Whether it be baseball, basketball or football we just can’t seem to live up to any potential that we may have. Like Charlie Brown I always seem to renew my optimism at the start of the season, but honestly, that natural sense of optimism has been largely destroyed in me in recent years.

    Two final points to make:
    1) To those that say we hire crappy coaches and the wonder why we get crappy results, I would argue that based on his record TOB was not a crappy coach. He was a proven winner at a D-1 school in our conference. That’s about as good a hire as we can expect, and IF he ends up failing here we have to look at our culture and wonder who can succeed here. One reason I hope Butch MF Davis fails at UNC is that he is a proven winner in the college game. If he fails at UNC one can make the legit argument that even good coaches can’t win in football at UNC. Unfortunately the same appears to apply to us.

    2) As has been stated by many, I really think TOB needs to cut Archer loose after this season. I don’t think he will do it though because he will be afraid of the message it will send to his kids. ‘If you under perform, it is the coaches fault, not yours.’ I would argue that that is not the message the kids will receive by not renewing Archer, but TOB has proven that he thinks very differently than me.

  6. bradleyb123 11/16/2009 at 12:03 PM #

    I understand a young and inexperienced defense getting burned once in a while, and maybe even more often than not. But our defense gets burned all the time. We have enough athletes that a GOOD defensive coordinator could couch them up to do better than they’re currently doing. Against Duke, I don’t think we had a single stop on third down (and there were plenty of chances) until the score was already 21-21.

    If TOB can’t wake up and figure out that HE needs to replace Mike Archer, then maybe it is TOB, himself, that needs to be turned loose. I understand honoring commitments and supporting your staff and all. But it is painfully obvious that Archer doesn’t know the difference between his azz and a hole in the wall. And TOB ought to know it. If he doesn’t, what does it say about HIM?

  7. wolfpacker 11/16/2009 at 12:50 PM #

    TOB did prove that he was successful at Div 1, so why would he HIRE a DC that has NOT proven to be successful. The entire athletic dept. let this one slip through the cracks and it’s going to hurt..

    Did they sit down at the table and say yes, Archer is a GOOD DC?
    I doubt it…so, why was he hired?

    They sat around and said: well he attributes his unsuccessful work at Kentucky to injured players and lack of experience? Sounds good enough to me…let’s give the guy a chance…

    Did the question ever arise – Do you really want to deal with having to overcome that kind of deficit in a game (his defense allowed 30+ points per game on average)? I mean we have a great offense, but this is WHAT YOU HAVE TO EXPECT FROM ARCHER.

    As A HEAD COACH TOB should have wanted someone that was SUCCESSFUL, but he is just looking to retire…NOT BUILD A PROGRAM!

    Therefore, the conversation probably went like this:

    TOB: Do you think you can run a defense for a few years? At least until I can retire? By then, your cover would be blown and I can get outta here.

    MA: Sure.

    TOB: You’re hired!

    MA: YAY! They were about to fire me at Kentucky anyway! OOPS!

    His stats at Kentucky prove that he is not worthy of any DC job.

    SURPRISE, SURPRISE…YOU WERE HOPING AND PRAYING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT???

    So, as a head coach, TOB has NOT done a good job here. He has put a coach in the DC spot that is clearly not capable of performing. Defense wins games, and TOB KNOWS that.

    I just hope Archer still has some friends in the pros so he can get back there, where the players are all perfect and make no mistakes, then he can’t blame them.

  8. RegularExpression 11/16/2009 at 4:12 PM #

    I don’t know that you can pin the hiring of Archer on the entire athletic department. It would certainly be within the realm of an AD’s responsibility to review any assistant coaches that the head coach wants to hire. If the AD is uncomfortable with those hires, he should voice an opinion and ask “Is this the guy you really want or are your potential hires being limited by money, contract length, etc.” Those things are within the AD’s power to change. But if the coach really wants to hire an assistant coach, I don’t think it should be up to the AD to say no(except in extreme cases) That’s micro-managing and that is how you lose good coaches.

    The situation we find ourselves in now calls for careful intervention from the AD though. If I were AD I would ask TOB if money were no object would Archer still be the DC? If TOB says yes and stands by Archer I would give Archer a 1 year contract with the understanding that this regime sinks or swims with the defensive performance next year. Youth and injuries won’t be allowed as excuses next year.

    If TOB hints or says that he thinks he could do better than Archer a competent AD would offer to take the fall. Tell Archer that “TOB really wants to keep you but I’m feeling certain pressures from important people that I feel can only be relieved by letting you go.” And then do it.

    By the way, we currently pay Archer $237,500 per year. That is on the low end of coordinator salaries in the ACC. I think we should either throw a lot of money at an established guy or keep the same salary for an up and comer.

  9. bradleyb123 11/16/2009 at 6:18 PM #

    I don’t think TOB came here with the goal of retiring WITHOUT rebuilding our program. He could have stayed at BC if he just wanted to coach a few more years and retire. I don’t think his job was on the line at BC, was it? I think he came here thinking he could really get something done. But we’re not going anywhere with Archer as DC.

  10. wolfpacker 11/16/2009 at 6:48 PM #

    WHO Said TOB’s job was on the line at BC?

    Once again, know one reads…or does their homework. That’s why the wolfpack are not good in sports. The DC is not cut out for the job. He was an old buddy of TOB’s from the early 90’s when they coached together at Virginia.

    Archer’s job WAS ON THE LINE AT KENTUCKY!

    Why? Because he is horrible! And things haven’t changed and they aren’t going to! The average team scored 30+ points against Kentucky while he was in charge of the DEFENSE! And you want him to be your (our) DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR? This hasn’t changed…our stats might be even worse…

    Oh, but as we all know, there is only one game that matters to NC State fans. All a team has to do is beat unc, the fans at NC State feel so inferior that, that’s all they care about. You could go an entire season and lose 1 game and that be to the tarholes and the state fans would be upset…that is pathetic. If you put yourself beneath them like that, that is where you will remain.

    I expect more, but I realize that there is no accountability in the athletics department. Until this changes, the wolfpack will continue to disappoint all of us…

  11. bradleyb123 11/17/2009 at 2:48 PM #

    ^^^ “WHO Said TOB’s job was on the line at BC?”

    No one. I was using that fact to illustrate my point. If TOB had wanted to just coach a few more years and then retire, he could have EASILY done that at BC. And quite possibly won an ACC championship or two in the process.

    Someone suggested that TOB came here with no intentions of building or re-building anything, but rather to just coach a few more years and retire. My response was that if that was his intention, he could have done that at BC — and with far fewer headaches.

    I believe TOB to be an honorable man, and a man of his word. I don’t think he would come here just to cruise to retirement.

    But he needs to get on the ball with Archer. I believe we’ll never have a good defense with that dude running the show.

  12. national1 11/19/2009 at 9:42 AM #

    This is from Texas’s website. With LTR fees, i pay approx $700 per seat for NCSU. This is the LAST time WPC gets this outrageous price from this Wolfpack fan. I feel very taken advantage of from NCSU.

    The season ticket price of $385 includes all seven home games at DKR-Texas Memorial Stadium. North end club season tickets are priced at $560. This includes unlimited access to a catered meal throughout each home game. Away game tickets (including the Texas vs. Oklahoma game, if eligible*) can be requested individually on your season ticket order form.

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