Shocking – Lee Fowler Still Doesn’t Get It

Lodged deep within the N&O’s write-up of the upcoming Wolfpack hoops season (all WTNY, all the time, just like the buffoonish duo of Fowler and Lowe want it) is this little gem from Fowler’s always jabbering mouth:

Too many times, loyalty’s a one-way street. Fans want the coach to be loyal to them, but they’re not loyal to the coach.

Pardon my language, but this is the biggest crock of shit Lee Fowler has ever served up (and that’s really saying something). It’s a perfect microcosm of his asinine philosophy – by being “loyal” and almost never firing anybody, no matter how weak the results, he believes he will get “loyalty” in return. That is, should one of his coaches turns out to have a clue, they’ll stick around and not seek other jobs or ask for a raise. Seriously – that’s how this man “thinks.”

Assuming you have an IQ above room temperature, you understand that 21st century college athletics is a big business, not a “Mom and Pop” operation. Hell, that’s been true for almost fifty years. And no, Lee, the vast majority of fans (again, with the room temperature vs. IQ caveat) don’t want loyalty. They want results. And frankly, I expect the ones that get those results to be paid commensurately with what they deliver. That’s why I have been a paying member of the Wolfpack Club since the day I graduated – so that we have the resources to attract and keep winners.

Of course, you can imagine what kind of coaches are attracted to the “no pressure, we just want loyalty!” ground rules. That’s right, coaches who can’t hack it on the open market. Where winning brings financial reward, and losing brings a pink slip. The most determined, driven, and ultimately successful coaches aren’t worried about failure. They don’t need Clueless Lee’s security blanket. And that’s why Wolfpack athletics will be stuck in a seemingly endless cycle of mediocrity.

We learned last spring that at least one major donor values having a golf buddy over leadership that strives for championships. And apparently the other heavy hitters who feel otherwise don’t feel it strongly enough to draw a line in the sand. You and I can’t change that sad state of affairs, but you can stop enabling this twisted regime.

About BJD95

1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

09-10 Basketball AD & Department Coaches NC State Administration Sidney Lowe

123 Responses to Shocking – Lee Fowler Still Doesn’t Get It

  1. LRM 11/12/2009 at 1:19 PM #

    Never in my life have I sworn allegiance to any coach, and ESPECIALLY not to any AD, of this university. Fowler is nothing more than an unwanted and unmerited employee of N.C. State — that’s why he’ll never get it.

    That SOB can feel free to call me a bad fan, but he crosses a line when he [bleeping] questions my loyalty to my beloved alma mater.

  2. GAWolf 11/12/2009 at 1:21 PM #

    Similarly, I think if Sid can get a kid like Harrow AND he shows up AND he pans out to be as good as advertised AND he’s got that moxey that Cowdog described so eloquently AND THUS Sid can stop whistling at guys while someone else throws them the ball so that it bounces off their heads out of bounds… I think there’s some hope there that we can compete and Sid can build and manipulate game plans to do so.

    Like many I just hope we “survive” long enough to see that happen.

  3. GAWolf 11/12/2009 at 1:24 PM #

    Hey shorties…. Let’s just kiss and make up. My boy Bangs will take you to the movies.

  4. lsutton5144 11/12/2009 at 1:42 PM #

    How can anyone with a lick of sense question the loyalty of Pack fans? Guess I can answer my own question . . look who we are talking about. Every board member should be sent a copy of his comment by email to make sure they have seen it. If I were the AD’s boss, comments such as this are grounds for immediate dismissal. Doesn’t take genius to know that you don’t condemn and put down the people that are paying your salary and supporting your programs in loyal fashion!

  5. wolfpacktexx 11/12/2009 at 1:50 PM #

    differnt angle –
    Wolfpack athletics – sometimes I feel the strength of Bobby Purcell is the detriment of our athletic department. His keen business management and fund raising policies brings in the money. (Amazing considering the Alumni base is mainly science, agriculture and engineering, Engineers normally are required to relocate, they make decent change but cannot compare to our sister’s law and medical alumni who start their own practices/offices and rarely relocate.)
    But if Bobby went to another university can I beg the question that NCSU athletics would be required to bring in money by actually putting a good product on the field of play? God forbid…

    Uncle Jed rides Purcell’s coattails…, It is time he is called out.

  6. T-FIC 11/12/2009 at 1:52 PM #

    It is time for Lee to go and for NCSU to get someone with a fresh perspective on how to manage wolfpack sports.

    Just curious, who makes the decision on whether Lee keeps his job or not? Does he have a contract?

  7. packplantpath 11/12/2009 at 1:55 PM #

    “I think it goes a little deeper, if you know what I mean.”

    Actually, I would definitely like that explained. What DO you mean.

  8. Rick 11/12/2009 at 1:57 PM #

    I am for the most part negative about NCSU athletics. We have been through 3 fb and 3 bb coaches and have had varying degrees of suck.
    I am not sure what it will take but until the top level management makes a decision to compete nothing will ever get better.

  9. Wulfpack 11/12/2009 at 2:03 PM #

    Hball, LF isn’t “entitled” to anything. That’s the problem in a nutshell. I find his comments arrogant. He’s constantly belittling NC State fans. Objectively, he’s failed. Plain and simple.

  10. TOB4PREZ 11/12/2009 at 2:04 PM #

    couple of questions….. Who won the soccer game against unx yesterday??
    Who has had better recruiting classes in their first 4 years (recruiting classes) as the HC of NCSU’s Men’s Basketball team??
    Sidney deserves to be the HC for the extent of his initial contract, unless he shows some sort of impropriety, which he has NOT.

    Thanks.

  11. BJD95 11/12/2009 at 2:14 PM #

    ^ And there’s the counter-argument. No performance standards whatsoever.

  12. Alpha Wolf 11/12/2009 at 2:16 PM #

    Count me in too for the group that has hope for the hoops team.

    Yes, I expect they will take their lumps this year, but I think that if they stay healthy and if they live up to the “gung ho” attitude they are professing that they could easily become a dangerous unit in the second half of this season.

    And, as much as I hate to say this (because it sounds like WTNY), the pieces are being put together for a real ACC team that can do some damage.

    In the article that the main article Sid himself says:

    “I went here, believe me, I understand,” Lowe said.

    Love or hate Sid as the coach, he DOES get that expectations come with the job. He knows the games that are most important to State’s fans, and he understands why they are important.

    Then he adds the very thing I have consistently said is my own personal metric for 09/10:

    “What I look for is progress in our team, progress in our program.”

    Right now, that means team development, constancy of purpose and consistently playing as well as possible. Ultimately, however, it must mean wins because the only real way progress is measured in a program is on the scoreboard.

  13. ruffles31 11/12/2009 at 2:20 PM #

    ^^^I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure in the ACC basketball rankings for the 4 recruiting cycles that Lowe has completed, I would dare say only once has the Wolfpack been in the top half of ACC teams (Hickson’s year).

    And before anyone reminds me how great our incoming basketball class is for 2010 (and it does give me some hope), as a reference point, we are still only 3rd in the ACC currently behind, you guessed it, the two blue schools.

  14. TOB4PREZ 11/12/2009 at 2:20 PM #

    nice side step of my question bjd…..
    is recruiting NOT a “performance standard”???
    He should be given the opportunity to bring in his OWN recruits and put together his OWN brand of ball. Have you NOT read the comments from his CURRENT players that there were some “cancers” on the team the past few years??? keep dodging the question though…. that speaks volumes.

  15. Alpha Wolf 11/12/2009 at 2:25 PM #

    “we are still only 3rd in the ACC currently behind, you guessed it, the two blue schools.”

    We’re not going to out-recruit those two until we achieve consistent success. Sure, Wake did it one year, but overall, that’s a very rare feat.

    Now then, if State gets it rolling, makes some real national noise and becomes a name mentioned pre-season every year as a team to look for come tourney time, things can change.

    I understand that’s a chicken-and-egg situation, but the truth is to become a flagship in college hoops you have to win some battles first.

  16. TOB4PREZ 11/12/2009 at 2:26 PM #

    Great point Alpha…. which lends further credence to Sid’s ability on the recruiting trail… hell, he’s putting together top ranked classes withOUT proving he can win. Just imagine what he’s going to put together after a couple of winning seasons…. scary really.

    ruffles- only 3 ACC teams were ranked higher last year. So, you might wanna add that to the Hickson year.

  17. Pack Mentality 11/12/2009 at 2:35 PM #

    I do not believe that having a higher recruiting ranking than the blue schools is necessary. We definitely can set our sites on out-recruiting Wake and the rest of the ACC. And if you get players of that caliber, who’s to say that they won’t be better than the higher ranked recruits in college with some good coaching. During most of the ’70s and ’80s UNX would have been considered to have better recruiting classes than us, with us getting some top players over them. And I believe that the success that we had in the ’70s and ’80s would be fine with anybody here. But that is getting laughably ahead of the current situation.

  18. choppack1 11/12/2009 at 2:38 PM #

    If you talk about Lowe here you’re really getting sidetracked.

    I’ve got hope for b’ball too. However, that doesn’t explain why Lowe was hired in the first place. If he had hired Matt Doherty, I’d want Doherty to win an NCAA championship…so it’s really a moot point.

    The issue at hand here is Fowler’s tendency to focus on fan negativity when the fans aren’t satisfied. There’s an implicit message in all of his statements that fans aren’t good fans if they want a coach fired. He asks State fans for the patience and their money…yet, he wants to promise nothing in return.

    When the heat turns up on coaches because they aren’t meeting the fans expectations, he typically fires back saying that the fans are expecting too much. Does this create a healthy atmosphere? Is it customer friendly?

  19. WV Wolf 11/12/2009 at 2:42 PM #

    Here are Scout’s recruiting rankings

    2006 – not ranked in the top 25 but at least behind Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech and Wake Forest (Lewandowski, Horner)

    2007 – 17th, behind Duke (Gonzalez, Smith, Hickson, Thomas)

    2008 – not in top 30, but at least behind Wake, Carolina, Duke, Florida St and Clemson (Williams, Mays)

    2009 – 14th, behind Carolina, Georgia Tech, Duke and Clemson (Painter, Vandenberg, Davis, Howell, Brown*, Wood)

    2010 – 5th, behind Carolina (Cothron, Brown, Harrow), Cothron has yet to sign, Brown is double counted

  20. packthis2 11/12/2009 at 2:42 PM #

    Hicksons team was preseason top 25 what did we finish with 4 ws in the league? I am afraid you still have to coach.

  21. Alpha Wolf 11/12/2009 at 2:43 PM #

    I think that barring a miracle run that would surpass even 1983, you have to have two or three top 20 classes minimum to be a consistently legit NCAA threat.

    Yeah, yeah, mid-majors, yeah, but the truth is that being a George Mason is not going to get it done for NC State. Why? Our conference is too tough. George Mason would have never made it to the Dance in the first place if they had been an ACC team. No berth, no run.

    That in mind, you really HAVE to be a top-5 ACC regular season team to sleep well before the ACCT. Even then, to play for seeding, it would really help to play on Saturday, minimum. To achieve those relatively modest goals takes talent, and therefore we come back to that Top 25 year in year out thing.

    So far, Sidney has done pretty well, even if it has taken him a really long time to sign a really good point guard.

  22. Pack Mentality 11/12/2009 at 2:44 PM #

    If I walk into a store and the manager belittles me I will turn around and leave. They know that the customer is always right, even when you disagree with them. What makes the manager of the multi-million dollar business of NC State athletics feel that these common sense laws of providing a service to customers do not apply to him? Our loyalty is enabling this man who treats his customers like dirt.

  23. Alpha Wolf 11/12/2009 at 2:46 PM #

    Hicksons team was preseason top 25 what did we finish with 4 ws in the league? I am afraid you still have to coach.

    Sheesh, I am going to sound like a Lowe apologist here, but that team failed more because of poor backcourt play than anything.

    I also hate to use what if’s, but what if Atsur had run that team. It surely would have won more than four.

  24. GAWolf 11/12/2009 at 2:48 PM #

    I’m still trying to figure out why Sid was coaching the soccer team when they beat UNC yesterday….

  25. coach13 11/12/2009 at 2:49 PM #

    hball…you sound like a 60’s peace freak! Why can’t we all just love one another. Your comments are neither intelligent nor swaying. Fowler does not put emphasis on winning period, and he hates State fans calling him on it. You can shove the “let’s all be nice” crap.

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