Lorenzo Brown posterizes two defenders

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NC State basketball commitment Lorenzo Brown re-confirmed his commitment to the Wolfpack last week and followed up the commitment by posting a triple double in a scrimmage against Hargrave. Brown scored 26 points on 11 of 16 shooting while grabbing12 rebounds and distributing 11 assists. You can see about a minute and a half of ‘Brown-centric’ video from the game by clicking here.

One of Brown’s moves was the lead story at this website and can be seen below. You can also click here for our Tag archive of past Lorenzo Brown stories.

Heck…while we are showing videos we might as well share this amazing highlight reel of Ryan Harrow’s:

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105 Responses to Lorenzo Brown posterizes two defenders

  1. saywhat 10/28/2009 at 10:00 AM #

    As mentioned, highlight videos aren’t always the best way to judge. Keep in mind, some of the videos of Ryan are from single games. They aren’t a collection from multiple games. Also, some are from the TOC and the recent event in Wilson against pretty good competition. A previous poster said his game in Reynolds won him over. It is worth mentioning that his game in Reynolds was, by far, his worst outing at the TOC.

    If the music sucks, turn it down.

  2. McPete 10/28/2009 at 10:06 AM #

    Julius Hodge surely is one of NC State’s best, not the top guy of course. Tyler Hansborough is one of the ACC’s best, whether we like it or not. JJ Reddick was the all time leading scorer in the history of the acc until Hansborough passed him.

    All of these guys were terrific players in college, but not deemed can’t miss pro prospects and lottery pick material. All of them stuck around 4 years. Hell, Ty effing Lawson stayed three years, and his pro prospects were good!

    What’s my point? Just because Harrow and Brown are top prospects in HS does not mean they will be one and done, like some fear. Look at Stephan Curry. great college player. how many years did he stay in college? 3? 4? He doesn’t have an NBA body either.

  3. Thinkpack17 10/28/2009 at 10:18 AM #

    ^And look at what Stephan had to accomplish to get noticed. If Harrow takes us damn near to the final four on his back like Curry did for his squad…I would happily send him off to the NBA early.

  4. CaptainCraptacular 10/28/2009 at 10:42 AM #

    Well I had this whole thing typed and then lost it.

    The point: Noone here is able to say for certain that Harrow will have to stay 3+ years because he may not be league ready. It is very likely one of Harrows goals in life is to make it to the pros. At the end of season one, as well as each subsequent year should he stay, if he truly has the skillset and is a game changer in the ACC, he will sit down, seek advice from family, coaches, and league contacts, and then evaluate his options.

    And thinking that he will be here for certain 3+ years just because his body isn’t considered league ready is a bit naive, imo. There’s no guarantees. It has certainly happened plenty of times before that a kid has declared despite the better judgement of league insiders. If he stays, great, I’ll be very happy.

  5. Thinkpack17 10/28/2009 at 11:08 AM #

    “The point: Noone here is able to say for certain that Harrow will have to stay 3+ years because he may not be league ready.”

    Just because you can’t say something for certain, that doesn’t make it plausible. I can’t say for certain that the earth won’t explode tonight. I can’t say for certain Julius Mays won’t be selected #9 overall by the Spurs next year.

    Anything could happen. But most likely the earth will remain in orbit for a few more years, Julius will comeback for his Jr. campaign and barring a huge growth spurt NBA scouts will hold off on a 6 foot 165 pound Ryan Harrow. At least for a few years.

  6. CaptainCraptacular 10/28/2009 at 12:14 PM #

    Here is one of the statements that has been made here about harrow:

    ” Harrow can do things with the ball that other point guards can’t even conceive of doing. his handles are heads and shoulders above any other PG in any class for last 5-10 years”

    Not to mention the Greatest Ever comparisons. You really think it plausible that he is all that plus a bag of chips, AND he is likely to stay 3+ years? I sure hope you are right. If he’s all that, I’ll be happy for each year he’s with us.

  7. cooldrip 10/28/2009 at 12:39 PM #

    I hope Harrow is able to live up to this kinda hype. Remember, he is about to start his senior year in high school. Yet we are labelling him as “one of the greatest in NCSU and ACC history”? Are we talking guards or overall? If your talking overall, then let’s mention a few more. Shavlik, Rosenbluth, Hemrick, Chappell, Scott, Lucas, Elmore, W. Davis, Ford, Sampson, Worthy, Perkins, Price, etc. Those players all left the ACC at least 25 years ago; I could easily name another 20-25 players from the ACC’s history who are LEGENDS.

    Let’s look at NCSU players. The afore-mentioned Thompson and Shavlik, Pucillo, Burleson, Towe, Hawkeye, C. Austin, Whittenberg, Lowe, Bailey, Monroe, Corchiani, Tommy G.

    The point being, this is the greatest basketball conference in the land, with the richest history. And NCSU is one of the most storied programs in this conference. I’m not saying Harrow won’t be great, even one of the greatest. But to PREDICT that he will be one of the greatest, when looking at the careers of the ACC’s greats, is SILLY!

  8. JeremyH 10/28/2009 at 1:31 PM #

    that’s an important point about the highlight reels, remember seeing Ferguson’s video?

  9. Thinkpack17 10/28/2009 at 1:39 PM #

    ^Nope.

  10. 61Packer 10/28/2009 at 1:43 PM #

    Yes, NC State is one of the most “storied” basketball programs in the ACC. Trouble is, this story is past-tense.

    I don’t care how good a “race car” we get here: Until we get a good driver, it’s going nowhere.

    Which is exactly where NC State basketball is right now.

  11. Stateman 10/28/2009 at 2:03 PM #

    JeremyH: the highlight reel that you just saw came from 2 games. This kid makes a highlight reel every game he plays.

  12. KChill 10/28/2009 at 2:04 PM #

    Click on this link below for a much better highlight reel of RH from the same event, where you can see him hitting the jumper and floater (things which don’t look good on the mixtape reels). He’s front page material now.
    http://www.streetball.com/

  13. Stateman 10/28/2009 at 2:04 PM #

    I’d argue our BB program is in better shape than our football program is.

  14. KChill 10/28/2009 at 2:35 PM #

    Since the Everett Case era began (when our “traditon” started), this school has never fired a coach in before year 5. For that matter, I think Les Robinson is the only coach we’ve ever fired since before the Case era, period. You naysayers just continue your fruitless whining, no changes are going to be made in our program AT A MINIMUM, until 2011. I repeat, we are not UNC or UK.

  15. 61Packer 10/28/2009 at 4:45 PM #

    Stateman: “I’d argue that our BB program is in better shape than our football program is.”

    I’ll argue otherwise.

    I’ve followed Wolfpack basketball since the mid-1950s. It has NEVER been in as bad a shape as it is right now. Repeat, it has NEVER been in as bad a shape as it is right now.

    Considering that football has never achieved the heights at NC State as basketball has, nor has it experienced a 20-year run of awfulness like basketball is now mired in, I’d have to say that our football program would have to dip to or below the mid-levels of that played in the Southern Conference before it would be in worse shape than basketball.

    We may well finish 4-8 this season, or maybe 5-7 (my prediction), but I’ll wager my season tickets that more core Wolfpack fans believe our football program is in more capable hands right now than our basketball program is. There’s certainly more hope for football, and that’s extremely important right now, because hope is about all we’ve got for the foreseeable future of Wolfpack revenue sports.

  16. Thinkpack17 10/28/2009 at 5:09 PM #

    ^Yes…but in basketball all it takes is a few big recruits to send your program soaring. You have to spend more time building and laying foundations in football. 1 big time recruit won’t do it for you. That’s why taking a huge step backwards this year is so hard to accept. It’s like a body shot…I mean it crushed me. Sucks.

  17. theghost 10/28/2009 at 6:00 PM #

    “It has NEVER been in as bad a shape as it is right now.”

    You’re saying worse than the Les Robinson era? You can’t believe that.

  18. Stateman 10/28/2009 at 6:17 PM #

    61packer: How can you argue that we’re worse off now than we were when Robinson was here? Our on the court performance was pathetic and our recruiting was even worse. Also, it’s not Lowe’s fault that we have been crap the past 20 years.

    So because our football program has ALWAYS sucked, that means that because it’s slightly above the worst point it’s ever been in, that puts it in a better position than the BB program? The product on the field for football is absolutely pathetic and the recruiting isn’t much better. Whereas the BB program has not shown the results on the court, the recruiting is simply astounding. He’s landing players of the caliber that we haven’t seen at NCSU in over 20 years. And even the product that Lowe is producing is better than TOB’s evidenced by his Win%. While the W’s and L’s this year may not reflect a better team, the product on the floor will and anybody who says that the class coming in next year will not significantly improve our W’s, just isn’t paying attention or doesn’t know anything about collegiate basketball.

    When Lowe had a solid PG that wasn’t hurt, we performed very well. When he hasn’t had a solid PG, we have not performed well. The same cannot be said for TOB. He has, quite possibly, the best QB in the ACC last year and this year and what has he done with it? Absolutely nothing. I can give you plenty of reasons why Lowe hasn’t produced the W’s and very few of them are his fault. I can give you plenty of reasons why TOB hasn’t produced and almost all of them point to either himself or his coaching staff (outside of injuries).

    I just don’t understand the logic behind your thinking. It just seems to me that people are judging both Lowe and TOB based upon emotion and not facts. For whatever reason, they like TOB so they give him a pass. They don’t like Lowe, so they want him fired.

  19. 61Packer 10/28/2009 at 8:56 PM #

    I never said that Les Robinson was a better coach than Sidney Lowe. Even after Robinson resigned, we were still not far removed from both ACC and NCAA titles. We were still recognized as a quality program at that time despite a few bad seasons under Robinson. When Sendek arrived and appeared to try and rebuild our program, starting with team defense, I was encouraged. Herb had a good start but it quickly became obvious that he couldn’t recruit the type of players needed to run his type of offense (which I hated), plus he couldn’t convey confidence to his team on how to execute during critical game stages when games were won or lost. The Maryland (Damon Thornton) game, the Vanderbilt (NCAA tourney) game, the Syracuse and overtime BC home games here, plus the two ACC finals losses to Duke and the home blowout here vs UNC- they all come to mind as Sendek’s downfall games. Had we won just half of those including “the Redick game”, Lowe probably wouldn’t be here now.

    But Lowe is here, and he’s trying. I give him credit for that. He’s one of us and I will always love him for the ’83 season. But I don’t love him as a coach. I haven’t seen much in the way of recruiting, just a lot of talk and near-misses. I believed we’d run more since Lowe came from the NBA, but it’s still the same crappy half-court offense. There has been an amazing lack of hustle and a total lack of team defense in three seasons. Overall, I don’t understand what kind of a game that Lowe and his staff are trying to implement here at State. And why are we having so much difficulty at guard? Of all positions, this is the one that logically should be a Lowe team’s strong suit.

    And there are other things. I felt when Lowe got here that at least we wouldn’t have any more personnel problems like the benching of starter Tim Wells on Senior Night. But the same thing happened when key veteran player Ben McCauley was benched to open the second season, so we could get a look at JJ Hickson, who destroyed the smaller opposition that night but destroyed the team’s chemistry that season. Yeah, he got an NBA contract, but the Wolfpack paid a big price.

    People keep saying that Coach K didn’t do any better at Duke in his first 3 seasons than Lowe has done so far. Krzyzewski brought a plan to Durham, something I’ve seen under football coach Tom O’Brien but not under Lowe so far. Coach K built his program on discipline and defense, which are AWOL under Lowe. He may finally land that top-tier recruit, but will we have another Hickson situation? This isn’t the NBA, where you simply throw your most talented players on the floor and turn ’em loose. This is the ACC, the nation’s most competitive and historically best basketball conference. Some degree of effective coaching and player management are required. Coach K understood that and the Duke wins became sustained. But so far, I haven’t seen it sustained for any period of time under Lowe.

    I don’t dislike Lowe. For the reasons above, I just don’t want him as our coach. Many of us older fans do not want to see another decade wasted on somebody’s belief that things will work out if you just give ’em time. Lowe may indeed get us out of the ACC cellar, but how far out? We were once a proud program that would never think about anything except competing for ACC championships. Just putting on the red blazer alone isn’t going to accomplish that. Not in my opinion.

  20. packplantpath 10/29/2009 at 8:40 AM #

    “I can give you plenty of reasons why TOB hasn’t produced and almost all of them point to either himself or his coaching staff (outside of injuries).”

    This recurring argument could be one of the most moronic arguments in history. I mean, we should institute SFN rule #1. When somebody tries to defend Sid by comparing him to TOB, they automatically lose the argument.

    Once again, let us explain why the two are compared using different standards. TOB’s record indicates he may actually understand what his job is and how to do it. He may not achieve the success here he had at BC, but his history indicates it’s probable given the inherent disadvantages to coaching at BC. Yes, this year has been ugly, and will likely get uglier. But, given the above, we still have to trust in his track record.

    Sid has zero history in the ACC coaching ranks, and the NBA record isn’t pretty but is regarded as a moot point due to expansion teams, etc. The 3 seasons we do have are not inspiring by any means from either a recruiting or on the court standpoint. Nothing we know about Sid that did not originate in 1983 should give us any hope. Nothing other than blind devotion and hope.

    So, yes, the standards are different, and rightly so.

  21. Thinkpack17 10/29/2009 at 9:10 AM #

    “I haven’t seen much in the way of recruiting”

    Well then I’m sorry sir…you just can’t see.

  22. Stateman 10/29/2009 at 10:10 AM #

    packplant: that’s so COMPLETELY illogical that it’s ridiculous. If he has a track record that points to success, he should be held to a HIGHER standard, not a lower one.

    Because Sid had little to no ACC coaching experience, one should expect him to have a learning curve, to make mistakes, to take longer to make recruiting inroads, to take longer to learn how to deal with college students, etc etc etc

    Because TOB has had MUCH collegiate coaching experience, it should take him LESS time, he should have NO learning curve, he should already KNOW how to deal with college students, he should already HAVE recruiting connections… but from everything I’ve seen, he doesn’t have the slightest clue how to do any of that. If you’ve got an example of where he’s shown that he DOES know how to do it, I’d love to see it.

  23. theghost 10/29/2009 at 10:25 AM #

    “TOB’s record indicates he may actually understand what his job is and how to do it”

    These backhanded shots at Lowe are, in my opinion, out of line. Not being up to the task of coaching in the ACC doesn’t mean you don’t know how to find the men’s room. You think anybody on this board could succeed as coach? Honestly – even if you think Lowe is a terrible coach – withhold your vote of confidence, cancel your season tickets, push for him to be fired, but you really must dispense with the personal attacks on his intelligence and, for some of you, the vitriol. Some people talk like Lowe doesn’t know how much a 3-pointer is worth just because you don’t think he’s one of the twenty people in the world – if that – capable of winning in Raleigh. It’s a really poor way to treat anybody, especially anybody who’s trying to help the alma mater (same goes for Les Robinson, for that matter). This is Sidney Lowe you’re talking about – you really think he knows less than 3 times as much about basketball as anybody here? Let’s not act like unc.

  24. Thinkpack17 10/29/2009 at 10:39 AM #

    ^Fantastic.

  25. cooldrip 10/29/2009 at 12:38 PM #

    “I’d argue our BB program is in better shape than our football program is.”

    Don’t know what it has to do with the discussion, but I’m still waiting for this argument to be forwarded.

    Success in recruitment is always nice, but it can only be based on LOIs and players making it to campus. Commitments are nice but they’re vaporware until the player is actually in school and a member of the team. In the case of Harrow and Brown, they haven’t met these requirements yet.

    I find it interesting that when people here talk of the football team’s “window of success” being 2010-2012, they base that on the maturation of players ALREADY on the team, players that have been practicing and playing for at least half of a season. If recruiting is the answer, then we have a good nucleus of young developing talent right now, especially on the OL. A sharp young QB, and a few nice athletes like Smith, Byrd, Washington, etc. How many of us have watched guys like Smith, Washington, Mattes, etc. this year and not salivated over the coming seasons. Football, even if we have some defensive kinks to work out, will be fine in the long run. In fact, I will say we have to a certain degree traded short term “flash in the pan” results for a long-term plan that emphasizes consistent excellence.

    Much of the hope in basketball seems pinned on the arrival of Harrow and Brown. These are unknown commodities because they aren’t NCSU student-athletes yet. If they arrive I believe they will make a difference, but as we saw with Lo Brown this year, they have to make it to school first. I’ll be more excited about them when they sign LOIs and even more excited when they’re eligibility is confirmed. But until then, we can’t really speak to Lowe’s recruiting success. Hickson was the one big success, and we got nothing out of him. I think Wood will be great, but we don’t know for sure yet, and he’s definitely not a “savior” type player. I don’t know that Harrow is either. I don’t think anyone short of a Beasley or Oden is a program “savior”.

    Speaking of Beasley and program-savers, how is K-State now? I mean, we haven’t had a player of that caliber since DT. Of course, we were an elite program when DT showed up. He was the difference between NCSU having on the best teams in the country to having one of the best teams in history.Beasleytook K-State from a Big 12 doormat to a team that finished in the upper-half of the conference. They didn’t win anything really, and were bounced out of the NCAAs in the first round. Weren’t they like an 8 seed? My point being: this was one of the most dominant players I’ve seen in college basketball in a long time. In a decent conference, against decent competition, he elevated his team’s fortunes from a last place finish to marginal success.

    That won’t be enough at NCSU, not by a long shot. The standards are higher, the expectations are higher, and the competition is as good as it gets. I don’t know if Harrow is that good, good enough to carry the load of returning a program to it’s former lofty heights.

    Program, there’s a concept. Anyone wonder how Roy will do this year after losing Hansbrough, the league’s all-time leading scorer? Or Lawson, who PROVED himself one of the best college PGs of the last 10 years or so? They’ll be great, and they’ll probably beat our brains out AGAIN. They don’t pin their hopes on Recruit X, the PROGRAM ensures the success. Are we building a PROGRAM? Or just putting together a nice lineup for 2010-2011?

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