It’s Time The ACC Admitted Its Mistake – Boston College Shouldn’t Be An ACC Team

The annual bowl rota of the ACC took a major nosedive this week when the conference refused to give the Gator Bowl flexibility in selecting an ACC team to play in their annual game.  In place of the Gator Bowl, the Independence Bowl now takes its place.  The Independence is in Shreveport, Louisiana, deep in the heart of SEC country, far from the footprint of the ACC, and in a city that would never rank in any sane person’s list of great American tourist destinations.

So basically in simple terms, the ACC gave up the Gator Bowl — a convenient trip for fans of most ACC members — for the sake of Boston College.

That’s because the ACC’s within-one-win selection rule is for BC. You could argue Wake Forest too, but Wake has had decent representation when they go to bowl games, given their size and home market. You cannot say either for BC.

Tell me again why the ACC allowed BC to join. As I recall:

1. It is in Boston, and has a huge TV market. Which is funny. Did the ACC even complete cursory due diligence prior to issuing an invitation? Boston is all about The Sawks, The Patriots, The Celtics, the Bruins and then maybe, just maybe, BC. In other words, they have as much impact in that market as Manchester United does in the Raleigh-Cary MSA. Not much. If any.

2. Getting the magical 12th member to create a conference championship game for football. So far, that conference title game has been a disaster. It is so popular that a few Texas HIGH SCHOOLS regularly have more fans at its games than does the ACC Title Game. Think about that – the ACCT game for football is such a failure it is smaller than a Texas high school game. That’s a REAL big time sporting even you created there, Mr. Swofford.

3. The ACC tournament in Fenway Park. To which I say “so what?” Yes, Fenway is historic and home to a major league baseball team. It is also a long way away from the center of the base of the conference and would not draw throngs locally. Did I mention the Red Sox?  And even though college baseball is gaining in popularity, it is nevertheless a non-revenue sport that should never have much consideration where weighty matters like conference expansion is concerned.

4. The ACC Basketball Tournament in Boston. Well, that would draw the usual high-value donors, but the bulk of the fans watch the tourney on TV and don’t give a damn where it is played. Unless it is in NC, DC or the ATL, where they can go and buy ducats from the first and second round losers to see “their” teams. I know plenty of NC and Duke fans that make plans to do that every year. Boston is a pretty expensive trip to go scalp tickets.

None of those drivers has worked out for the ACC. BC is a drain on the other eleven teams.  Its continued presence is effectively punishing the fans of the other teams.  Call it what it is…a boat anchor that’s starting to drag the ship to the bottom with it.

West_VirginiaI think that the conference should quietly invite a team closer to the rest of the league that would bring some interest. West Virginia maybe, if you could talk them into jumping ship out of the Big East.  WVU and Virginia Tech are blood rivals non-pareil, and their annual football game ranks just below the much-more-hyped classics such as Ohio State-Michigan or Alabama-Auburn.  They take it seriously, and it is the sort of game – given the proper promotion – that can become a signature matchup for the league, one that is at least the match of Miami-FSU.  As for the rest of the ACC, it would not take long to develop strong rivalries. WVU fans would see to that.  Rivalries drive conference interest, and when a Clemson-WVU or an NC State – WVU game becomes a huge deal, you know you have achieved success.

Penn_StateIn a dream world, if Swofford could sell ice cubes to Eskimoes (err, Inuit).. he could successfully recruit Penn State. Penn State would come with their huge football program and its national credibility.  Anyone who has ever spent much time in eastern Pennsylvania or gone to Happy Valley for a game can tell you how big football is there.  Penn State steats 107,282 fans in Beaver Stadium…which ought to give you an idea of how big football is up there. And did you know that one in one hundred living alumni of any university holds a degree from Penn State? You could say that PSU would be a drain on hoops and have a good point, but that’s something that would cure itself, and quite quickly.  That’s because within the penumbra of Penn State is the  Philadelphia market.   There are plenty of great hoops players there, and given the exposure of the ACC, Penn State could build a competitive hoops program within five years.

Unfortunately, the ACC missed out on getting Penn State in the 80’s when they wanted to join the conference.  Now they are locked into the Big Ten, and it would almost be a miracle to get them to change affiliations.  But unless one tries, how can they know for sure.

Notre_DameNotre Dame will eventually have to join a conference in order to continue being a real force in college sports.  If it is academics, tradition, fanbase and reach that you want, Notre Dame fits the bill and then some.  Problem is, Notre Dame is far outside the geographic footprint of the ACC and since they already have a national TV contract all to themselves, coupled with a Big East affiliation, the Fighting Irish have no urgent desire to do anything.  They don’t have to share their revenue and as such don’t really need a major conference…yet.  Times are changing, however, and it may come to pass one day that the Irish will need a full ACC, Big Ten or Big East affiliation.  That will come sometime after NBC and Notre Dame part ways, and that’s a long time coming.

Then there’s the easy fit, but one that will raise the hackles on the back of most ACC fans’ necks.  ECU. Yes, ECU.  Our little brother institution down east.

East_CarolinaAs easy as it would be to make a case against ECU, what with its small TV market and relatively small alumni base, one could also say that ECU would be a better fit in the ACC than is Boston College.  Then again, being in a tiny TV market has yet to hurt Auburn or LSU.  For another thing, ECU considers itself a rival of the Big Four schools now.   I know, stop laughing.  Go and ask an ECU fan who they would want to beat the most in football in a given year, and they would almost certainly say NC State or UNC.   Ask them what program they would like to see their school build up into a competitive one, and they would say hoops.

A number of State fans would like to say that ECU’s academics are no match for NC State or UNC’s, but I have yet to see a football or basketball game where the fans cheer the SAT of their given teams.  Besides, ECU’s academics have steadily increased for a couple of decades now, to the point where their nursing and medical schools are well respected.  That joins other colleges at ECU that already had a decent amount of respect.  Yes, ECU would have to change their athlete admission standards.  They could no longer be the safety school of failed recruits from ACC schools.  But to be honest, the catcalls of “ECTC” are as outdated as UNC fans calling NC State “Moo U” — as if there were something bad about agriculture in the first place.

But to be honest, ECU is as much a pipe dream as Penn State for anyone in support of it happening. And there’s not really a lot of support amongst current ACC teams’ fans for ECU. It’s almost inconceivable that other members of the league would approve membership for the Pirates, not for the above reasons, but for the simple reason that they would fear additional NC-based influence on the conference.  As it is now, there is a feeling that the Big Four “owns” the ACC and adding a fifth team from North Carolina has little chance.  But that doesn’t mean that ECU wouldn’t be a better fit in the conference than BC, despite its weaknesses.  Truth it, BC is just that bad.

Bottom line is that it is time for the ACC to  vote BC off of the island, they’ve done enough damage to this conference already.  This is a college with a smaller fanbase than a lot of Texas high schools, after all.  Truth is, BC will forever be the albatross around John Swofford’s neck so long as they are a member of the ACC.  Swofford’s number one mission at the moment should be trying to find an effective replacement for a failed member that doesn’t fit, one that is perhaps the weakest and worst member of any BCS school.  If he doesn’t, he may allow the ACC to cease being considered a major conference.  After all, major conferences don’t have major bowls in Shreveport.  Leave that to the also-ran conferences.

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79 Responses to It’s Time The ACC Admitted Its Mistake – Boston College Shouldn’t Be An ACC Team

  1. GApack04 10/10/2009 at 12:03 PM #

    The biggest issue is the ACC has been horrible over the past several years. BC has been one of the better football teams in a bad conference, but they have not qualified for a BCS bowl so they are stuck in the middle with middle of the pack bowl games. Since they are a smaller school with limited alumni numbers there is a fear that they will not travel to the middle tier of bowls. Hence they are stuck with Boise, and etc. If BC was good enough to win a BCS bid I think they would travel just fine to a bowl game, ala- Wake Forest to the Orange Bowl a few years back.

    I believe the plan with expansion was to make more money for everyone. To earn more cash the conference felt it could add a conference championship game and increase it’s involvement in the North East. In retrospect the championship game has been horrible because the preferred teams (teams that generate national interest FSU and Miami) have been bad and the teams playing for the conference title have never been in the national championship picture (Like the SEC and Big 12 games).

    Back to the preferred teams think about how would a list like that fall IMO:

    FSU – fans,tradition,money,
    Miami – tradition, national attention
    VT – fans,tradition
    Clemson – Fans
    UNC – fans, national attention, brand name
    State – fans
    GT – some tradition, big market
    BC – some tradition
    UVA
    Wake
    Duke

    In regards to kicking BC out and adding another team, It’s not going to happen. Penn St and ND would not consider coming to the ACC, it doesn’t make sense for them. WV on the other hand would make more sense, but they are very successful where they are at.

  2. PackerInRussia 10/10/2009 at 3:42 PM #

    It’s funny how things got a little trashier around here after some (not all) BC fans started posting. Also, for all the hype about intelligence you’d think they could spell a little better.
    For those claiming that the piece was written out of bitterness for losing to BC, wouldn’t it make more sense to write about someone like Duke or UNC? It’s kind of a shallow assertion.

    I’ve always thought BC was put in a tough situation by the ACC championship game followed by another bowl game. With a smaller alumni/fan base, I would imagine it would be hard to pack out the ACC championship game in Jacksonville and then another bowl after that as well. For me, I would have to choose which game to go to–the championship or a potential BCS game. However, by holding out for the BCS game, I may cost my team’s bowl position by not going to the championship game. Then after seeing them drop down to a much lower quality bowl game, I would be a little let down and not as motivated to pay money to go see it. However, according to some of these posts, BC fans are so wealthy there shouldn’t be a problem going to both no matter where the location.
    Also, to use the location of the championship game as a reason more BC fans don’t travel there doesn’t really fly. Which bowl game is more conveniently located? The Orange Bowl? The Gator Bowl (not any more)? The Peach? Champs?
    Again, to Alpha Wolf’s point, there is nothing personal against BC as they are great representatives of the ACC in terms of on-field performance and academics (which some may argue is reason enough for inclusion), but rather the dollars and cents of the matter to which only a few managed to offer a counterpoint.

  3. CEOoftheSOFA 10/16/2009 at 8:57 AM #

    I think the real reason the ACC recruited BC has never been said publicly. Remember that the ACC first went after BC and Syracuse. The reason they went after BC and Syracuse was because they were the furthest north geographically. This would have given the ACC a footprint on the entire east coast. The purpose of this was to put the Big East out of business, or at least knock them down to the Conference USA level. With the Big East out of the way, the ACC would have had much more success recruiting in the Northeast, which they desperately need if they want to compete with the SEC. If it was not the goal of the ACC to put the Big East out of business, they would have recruited Louisville and Cincinatti. Or maybe they would have recruited VT first, instead of after they were threatened by the State of Virginia. Stealing teams from another comparable conference had never been done before. Teams are usually recruited from lesser conferences or from the ranks of Independents. As a WVU supporter, I would never agree to join the ACC. Why should we? We used to play VT and UM, but they are both now too chicken to play us.

  4. DanaBibleLUVer 10/20/2009 at 12:23 PM #

    Records of each ACC team since full expansion ranked by conference record (does not include ACC champ games and ACC tournament games in conference record)

    Football (includes YTD 2009 football results)
    1. Virginia Tech: 47-14 (28-8) – three division titles
    2. Georgia Tech: 38-21 (25-12) – one division title
    3. Boston College: 44-16 (24-13) – two division titles
    4. Wake Forest: 36-22 (20-16) – one division title
    5. Clemson: 35-22 (20-16)
    6. Florida State: 33-25 (17-18) – one division title
    6. Virginia: 29-26 (18-16)
    8. Miami: 33-23 (17-18)
    9. Maryland: 30-27 (16-19)
    10.North Carolina: 24-30 (13-21)
    11. North Carolina St: 24-32 (12-23)
    12. Duke: 9-44 (2-32)

    Basketball
    1. North Carolina: 124-22 (50-14) – three regular season titles
    2. Duke: 112-28 (46-18) – one regular season title
    3. Boston College: 86-49 (34-30)
    4.Clemson: 91-43 (33-31)
    4. Florida State: 86-48 (33-31)
    4. Maryland: 84-51 (33-31)
    7. Virginia Tech: 76-57 (30-34)
    8. Virginia: 63-60 (27-37)
    9. Wake Forest: 73-53 (26-38)
    9. Miami: 72-60 (26-38)
    11. North Carolina St: 73-56 (25-39)
    12. Georgia Tech: 58-65 (21-43)

    Combined ACC Records (includes YTD 2009 football results)
    1. North Carolina: 63-35 (.643) – three regular season titles
    2. Virginia Tech: 58-42 (.580) – three regular season titles
    3. Boston College: 58-43 (.574) – two regular season titles
    4. Clemson: 53-47 (.530)
    5. Florida State: 50-49 (.505) – one regular season title
    6. Maryland: 49-50 (.495)
    7. Duke: 48-50 (.490) – one regular season title
    8. Wake Forest: 46-54 (.460) – one regular season title
    9. Virginia: 45-53 (.459)
    10. Georgia Tech: 46-55 (.455) – one regular season title
    11. Miami: 43-56 (.434)
    12. North Carolina St: 37-63 (.370)

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    All-time football records and national ranks as well as past five years and how that has trended comparatively (does not count 2009).

    #11 Florida State: 459-221-17 (0.671)
    40-24 (0.625) – BELOW

    #14 Miami: 544-310-19 (0.634)
    37-25 (0.597) – BELOW

    #22 Virginia Tech: 658-425-46 (0.603)
    52-15 (0.776) – ABOVE

    #26 Georgia Tech: 661-443-42 (0.595)
    39-25 (0.609) – ABOVE

    #30 Clemson: 632-432-45 (0.590)
    38-24 (0.613) – ABOVE

    #32 Boston College: 616-424-27 (0.590)
    48-17 (0.739) – ABOVE

    #43 North Carolina: 639-483-54 (0.566)
    26-34 (0.433) – BELOW

    #58 Maryland: 599-522-42 (0.533)
    33-28 (0.541) – ABOVE

    #59 Virginia: 611-533-48 (0.533)
    34-27 (0.557) – ABOVE

    #71 North Carolina State: 528-519-55 (0.504)
    26-34 (0.433) – BELOW

    #80 Duke: 447-458-31 (0.494)
    8-50 (0.138) – BELOW

    #105 Wake Forest: 404-586-33 (0.411)
    36-26 (0..581) – ABOVE

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    Academic rankings according to USNews

    #10 Duke
    #24 Virginia
    #28 North Carolina
    #28 Wake Forest
    #34 Boston College
    #35 Georgia Tech
    #50 Miami
    #53 Maryland
    #61 Clemson
    #71 Virginia Tech
    #88 North Carolina State
    #102 Florida State

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