Cheap Seats Basketball Introspective

After that debacle within Carter-Finley last weekend, the timing for this just seems eerily appropriate, especially since I’m not at all hopeful about the upcoming basketball season. My original intent was a more comprehensive basketball retrospective similar to the one I did for football back in the summer. But I decided that nothing good can come from anything like that for basketball. Instead, this is a trimmed-down version of an idea I began work on awhile back – a brief introspective on enduring the State fan experience (the embedded links fill in some of the gaps along the way).

This is really nothing more than another attempt in a continuing process to unravel that eternal mystery: Why am I a State fan?

Resplendent it hung, with a white border and white block letters emblazoned against a bright red background: 2003 ACC Champions.

Even though it had been 16 long, grueling years since our last conference title in 1987, a period of time nearly twice as long as our previous gap of nine years between 1974 and 1983, this was hardly uncharted territory for us. State had won 10 of the ACC’s 49 championships to date, and we had played for, but lost, the championship in 1997 and then again the previous year in 2002.

This year was different. 1997 had been nothing beyond a feel-good Cinderella story about a young and thin, inexperienced and overmatched group that left every ounce of its heart on that Greensboro Coliseum floor over a long weekend and in turn renewed our hope that we had finally reversed that unyielding freefall into the depths of despair. But that wouldn’t happen until five more torturous years later, in 2002, when after 11 years of futility, State finally played its way back into March Madness by beating Virginia and then eventual National Champion Maryland en route to a 30-point blowout loss to Duke in the ACC Championship game in Charlotte.

But unlike those two previous teams in 1997 and 2002, in 2003 it wasn’t about renewing hope or fighting for respect. Even though we’d finished the regular season at a mediocre 16-11 and had stumbled into the tournament in Greensboro after winning only four of our final nine conference games, we defeated Georgia Tech and then ninth-ranked Wake Forest en route to the championship game, and this was a team that matched up well against Duke, with whom we’d split the regular season series.

And it was right around three o’clock that Sunday afternoon on March 16, 2003, when I’d already hung that glorious banner from the RBC Center rafters. I’d endured and somehow survived not just the 90s, but four seasons in college with exactly one combined win over Duke and Carolina. And now, after leading 38-36 with 17:12 remaining, Josh Powell sparked a 15-2 run over the next 4:48, capped by his three-pointer with 11:44 remaining to push the lead to a comfortable 55-40.

I had earned this.

I can’t explain why, but I found myself thinking back to my junior year in the fall of 1999, long before the internet was a regular, inseparable part of my life. In those days I checked ESPN.com in the Mann Hall computer lab between classes, but mostly I still relied on the N&O, Athlon, and The ACC Handbook for my preseason previews. By all indications, 2000 was supposed to have marked the end of our long, steep climb back to respectability. I remember that Athlon had called Damon Thornton, Kenny Inge, and Ron Kelley the nation’s best frontcourt, while Anthony Grundy and Justin Gainey, along with Archie Miller, anchored a very solid backcourt; most promising, though, was that we had landed Damien Wilkins (a.k.a., the next David Thompson).

After an encouraging 5-3 start in the conference – January included one particularly miserable weekday afternoon performance at Clemson the day after The Blizzard, but then one particularly impressive statement in a 92-88 overtime loss in Cameron – the wheels derailed and it quickly became an absolute train wreck. Starting with Thornton’s technical at Maryland, State went 0-for-February, losing seven straight before recovering in March on Senior Day against Florida State – this was the game when senior Tim Wells didn’t even play, even though he’d been nothing less than a fine representative of the program and had certainly earned the honor of, if nothing else, at least a token start on his Senior Day – for a 6-10, sixth-place finish and Sendek’s fourth straight NIT.

1993 and 1995 had been abysmal, sure, but February 2000 began the lowest stretch of time for a program’s once-proud yet fleeting basketball tradition. Many of us had thought after 2000 the timing was suitable to go after Rick Barnes, who we inherently believed wanted to be our coach and who many of us believed should have gotten a call back in 1996. Instead, after 2000 Herb Sendek got a raise and an extension and Rick Barnes never got a call.

Then after 2001, with Inge, Kelley, Thornton, Miller, Grundy, Cliff Crawford, and most notably, the NBA-pedigree Wilkins, all having returned, there was no rational explanation that this team picked to finish third instead finished 5-11 in the conference and 13-16 overall, and failed to even make the NIT. We’d never been further from our 11th ACC title – or even beating Duke and Carolina – and by then there had long-since developed a stark, wide schism among the fan base, which was highlighted by persistent and generally furious infighting. By April 2001, this era was finally defined for the vocal minority among us, firmly entrenched along that lunatic fringe, after Wilkins was dismissed from the team.

Wilkins is the primary reason that I pay almost zero attention to recruiting. Beyond its fickle nature, recruiting has become bigger than the game itself, and there’s no logical argument for why a coach’s tenure should be extended because of a recruiting class. My reasoning is simple: a bad coach can recruit well and win some games based on that talent alone, but I dare you to argue that John Wall would have made Sidney Lowe a better coach, because you’d be wrong.

Wilkins arrived at State in 1999 with great promise and even greater expectations by those of us in desperate need of a legend to revive the program. But – whether it was the system or his lack of talent, doesn’t really matter – he’d never measured up to his promise, averaging only 11.6 points per game over two seasons, while his play grew increasingly lethargic during the final few weeks of 2001. What unfolded after the season that spring was an embarrassing drama: Wilkins’ father Gerald publicly criticized Sendek’s system for limiting his son’s potential, while Damien made the ill-advised decision to not only gauge his NBA draft stock, but he also made it public that he was considering a transfer unless Sendek would make certain assurances about his role on the team if he withdrew from the draft. Wilkins’ drama was a cancer and Sendek made the right decision to dismiss him from the team (to be fair, I supported that decision primarily because I thought there was no way Sendek could survive it).

But two years later on that Sunday afternoon in March 2003, Damien Wilkins was at Georgia and Rick Barnes was still at Texas, and none of that mattered to me because all of our shots were falling and all of Duke’s were clanking. We were reaping hell upon them for every missed shot and every turnover. I was convinced that nothing on this beautiful day could stand in the way of our rightful return to the top of the ACC.

But for those of you – like me – that don’t need the “NC” to know which State we’re talking about and remember when Tuffy still wore a sweater and needed a trim, and are intimately familiar with the frustration of State basketball after the Valvano Era, you should’ve known better. Because ours is a story of tragedy as much as it is endurance.

Within less than a minute after our largest lead of the game, Powell and Julius Hodge each picked up their fourth fouls. And then, like so many times before, those damned Duke Blue Devils capitalized. Down the stretch, State had six turnovers and missed 11 shots; Mike Krzyzewski outcoached Herb Sendek; and J.J. Redick nailed four three-pointers and added six free throws to seal the 2003 ACC Championship for Duke, 84-77.

I was numb, choked with anger and disappointment – not with the team or Sendek or even the several questionable calls that never went our way, but with myself. I had to be the only State fan alive that with 11:44 remaining that awful afternoon didn’t see that loss coming. I wanted nothing more than to smother myself with that ridiculous banner.

Seriously, I’d been around long enough to know better.

For those of us that have never been anything but a State fan, that ACC Championship game in 2003 serves as the perfect microcosm of the State fan experience. Our rich history is simply that – history. While Carolina and Duke keep winning titles, we’ve been reduced to a tragic loop of hope then despair. For every Julius Hodge buzzer-beater against UConn in the 2005 East Regional in Worcester, there’s a Matt Freije 11-point barrage over the final four minutes to end our season in the 2004 West Regional in Phoenix. For every improbable win over Duke in the 1997 or 2007 ACC Tournament, there waits those Bastards Born & Bred to stop us on Sunday. For every March 2006 when we have hope for a new era, there is an April 2006 to remind us that era will never arrive – we can’t even hire a coach the right way; instead, we wind up with the only guy that didn’t say no.

Unfortunately for us, the N.C. State Saga is no longer one of prevailing triumph or retribution. Rather, it’s really nothing beyond a grim portrait of dogged perseverance by a fan base that should’ve long ago surrendered, but somehow, defiantly almost, holds on to that stubborn hope – “Don’t give up, don’t ever give up” – instilled into us during a bygone era in which far too many of us weren’t even alive to remember.

Like after so many losses before and since, I swore off State basketball that March afternoon in 2003. Every loss is my last game and after every March ends the same way, I swear I’m through with State basketball. And yet, I haven’t missed many games over the years. And that’s why, even though the past two decades of State basketball have delivered little beyond brief moments of reprieve, I’ll still be tuned in for the Glenn Wilkes Classic – the what? – for that first game next month.

Look, I might be a bad fan, but I’ve never been anything other than loyal, to a fault.

Hey, I don’t get it, either.

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53 Responses to Cheap Seats Basketball Introspective

  1. Rick 10/14/2009 at 1:48 PM #

    BJD,
    I think it is a three legged stool.
    coach
    recruit
    develop players

    I am not seeing at least two of those legs.

  2. pack44fan 10/14/2009 at 2:23 PM #

    The thing that gets me is that State fans are chastised by the media for not being happy with the our sports teams, while our neighbors in baby blue are encouraged to “boo” their coach. We are always told that we as fans need to “patient” and that this is a “rebuilding” process. I don’t recall those sentiments when the UNX fans were calling for Doherty’s and Bunting’s heads. It almost like we should expect less because we are State fans and should never expect to have championship aspirations.

  3. gotohe11carolina 10/14/2009 at 2:47 PM #

    amen to that pack44fan.

    i looked it up a few months back and there are only 11 schools that have multiple natl. titles in basketball during the modern era of play (john wooden era on) besides the hoosiers, we are the only program of those eleven who have slipped to doormat status and haven’t won a conference title or tournament in the last decade.

    and they want us to be patient.

  4. Classof89 10/14/2009 at 2:50 PM #

    After all the examples made in this blog entry (and in other forums where we have discussed recruiting disappointments of the past ad nauseum, it still amazes me that State fans still fall into the old “[insert promising incoming players name here] is really going to turn this program around.” These people sort of remind me of Charlie Brown and the football.

  5. 61Packer 10/14/2009 at 2:51 PM #

    Most informatve reading. Thanks, SFN. Nothing like reminiscing over old times while sitting home and waiting for FedEx to deliver my basketball season tickets.

    And another special thanks, SFN, for reminding me to get Vaseline on my next trip to K-Mart.

  6. zahadum 10/14/2009 at 4:06 PM #

    Speaking of John Wooden, he’s 99 today.

  7. ncsu05mit10 10/14/2009 at 4:09 PM #

    I was in Hodges’s class (01-05), arguably the best years of bball in a long, long time. But looking down I-40, I saw a UNC team go from an 8 win season to a National Title in 4 years. What seemed to be the beginning of something incredible (the game in the Dean Dome when the Wolfpack chant overtook any Tarheel cheering, not hard to do, I know) soon set into reality as I congratulated my Hole friends as a senior.

    I’m not going to downplay recruiting here. The UNC’s and UK’s of the world really don’t have to think about it, it’s a given. But I think a more accurate portrayal of recruiting can been seen with Wake. They went from top 5 with CP3 to the basement for a few years then back to top 10 again.

    That’s the best NCSU, and most schools can hope for. If that’s what Sid can do, fine by me. At least we’re talking about a shot at something once every 3 or 4 years.

  8. choppack1 10/14/2009 at 4:38 PM #

    ncsu05 – I guess the question for us to ponder – would it have been worth losing Chris Paul to get rid of the coach? I think it’s very possible, heck, even likely, that if Chris Paul didn’t go to Wake, you don’t see that staff in Winston long.

    I’m not saying keep someone as your coach if they are a miserable failure, but if you have a potential program changer (and I don’t consider any of this year’s freshman or Lo Brown a true program changer) and you’ve got a relatively inexperienced college coach, maybe you give him a chance to coach the program changer.

  9. ncsu05mit10 10/14/2009 at 4:51 PM #

    ^^^ agreed.

    Best case scenario: the 2009-10 team shows improvement and change of the bball program ‘culture.’ 2010 class ramps program back up quickly.

    Worst case scenario: Lowe fired, lose all recruits, likelihood of Jed bringing in a better coach highly unlikely.

    At least let these guys get on campus, and if Lowe can’t win with them, then at least you’ve got some players to entice a new coach (see Roy winning with Doh’s guys).

  10. VaWolf82 10/14/2009 at 5:06 PM #

    it still amazes me that State fans still fall into the old “[insert promising incoming players name here] is really going to turn this program around.” These people sort of remind me of Charlie Brown and the football.

    What a great analogy.

  11. waxhaw 10/14/2009 at 5:12 PM #

    I wonder if we will see quadruple teams on T. Smith this year?

    …and I agree with not putting too much hope in freshmen. That’s always dangerous.

    The funny thing is we are so excited about our basketball class now. We will be even more excited if by some miracle we get CJL and yet our class will still not be ranked much different than the ones UNC-CH, Duke and the other elite programs bring in every year.

    I’m not ready to give up on football yet. I don’t think we are as bad as we’ve looked the last two weeks. We knew the pass defense was bad without Nate. I am still optimistic about football for the coming years.

  12. Broccoman 10/14/2009 at 6:12 PM #

    The type of basketball recruit I’d want is the one who doesn’t want to be the man, he wants to beat the man.

    Seriously, if Sid goes, I’d consider another NBA guy- I’d see if Bill Laimbeer wants the job. seriously. He may be able to bring that swagger, and he can coach too- the problem would be potentially recruiting, but I think his name is big enough that it would help there.

  13. WendellPackster 10/14/2009 at 7:24 PM #

    Amen brother. You must be sitting next to me.

  14. ryebread 10/14/2009 at 7:32 PM #

    Brocco: When schools part way with coaches against the coaches’ wishes, the schools typically find someone who is 180 degrees away from the person they just let go. These things are cyclical.

    As such, if NC State parts ways with SL and that doesn’t happen on SL’s terms, then I would find it highly unlikely that we’d hire another coach who didn’t have college experience. I also find it highly unlikely that we’d hire someone who didn’t have a proven track record of success as a head coach.

    We’ll try what we did last time — to lure a top flight college coach. With a better AD, we might just pull it off. If that fails, then I think we’ll go to an up and comer from a mid-major. I’m also guessing that we’ll stay “away from the family” and not hire an alum.

  15. john of sparta 10/14/2009 at 7:50 PM #

    old old old quote:
    talent insures wins.
    coaching takes wins.
    WTF does that mean?
    1. talent will win when
    it’s supposed to win.
    2. coaching will win one more.

  16. VaWolf82 10/14/2009 at 8:25 PM #

    would it have been worth losing Chris Paul to get rid of the coach?

    Good question. But since we can’t tell the difference between the next Chris Paul and the next Dinky Proctor, I still come back to the same point over and over again….make your decision on what is known, not what you are hoping for in the future.

  17. BJD95 10/14/2009 at 9:07 PM #

    The worst case scenario is keeping Lowe and (i) the next group of “saviors” doesn’t make it here: (ii) the “saviors” turn out to be a mixed bag of strengths and weaknesses that most kids are; and/or (iii) the saviors don’t mesh together or with the assortment of role players to make a real, coherent team (and they’ll have to do so on their own, as Lowe has shown no ability to foster said cohesion).

    Then you’ll wonder why you wasted year(s) of program development time on a coach any objective, reasonable person could see wasn’t going to make it.

    Then, maybe the saviors transfer, or stick around to be ordinary for the next guy.

  18. choppack1 10/14/2009 at 10:46 PM #

    Va and BJD – if I was named king of NC State tomorrow, I’d really want to get the skinny on everything Harrow. I’d give Lowe a chance to coach up his current crop – and if Harrow qualified and was able to come to NC State, I’d probably give Lowe a chance to coach him.

    Heck, you guys have read my posts, I’m no Lowe apologist (I’m one of the few people who expressed concerns about the results of Lowe’s FIRST year)- I have grave concerns about him. However, I do believe, in spite of all of his faults – he has a keen eye for talent. He (or someone on his staff)has shown the ability to identify talent before a lot of other folks. Everyone knows Lowe is charming and charismatic.

    It’s very possible that even w/ all the pieces in place, Lowe’s program will still be plagued by the problems that plagued it his first 3 years. However, if he’s one of these guys who can rake in the talent, he may just be able to assemble enough to talent to do something special.

  19. waxhaw 10/14/2009 at 10:52 PM #

    Gary Williams and John Calipari are two examples of successful coaches primarily based on the talent that they’ve recruited not their coaching abilities.

    I’m not saying SL is in that category, I just think recruiting is important in basketball. The teams that are successful year in and year out have great recruiting classes for the most part. Of course, a lot of them have great coaches too.

  20. dj9686 10/15/2009 at 8:58 AM #

    Well, that was a nicely written recap of the ACC Tourney meltdown–perhaps put together too soon after the Duke debacle–but man, do we have to be this negative about a basketball season that hasn’t had it’s first practice? I know we won’t be great but I doubt we finish last as predicted by Athlon (and similar publications that make their predictions before football even begins), and we get to watch the nucleus of what should be a very strong front court develope as it awaits the arrival of Mr. Harrow. So I, for one, will try to enjoy this season for what it is and hope for the maturation of our young players and inexperienced coach and see the first glimpses of a promising future. (I can wait until the end of January before I give up on the season if things go really badly.)

  21. 61Packer 10/15/2009 at 11:06 AM #

    dj9686: (I can wait until the end of January before I give up on the season if things go really badly.)

    IF things go really badly? Where are we right now? Just how bad WILL it have to get before we realize that this isn’t just a sinking ship but rather it’s a sinking submarine?

  22. tvp1 10/15/2009 at 11:12 AM #

    I’d like to think I’m a realist. I think there’s about a 10-20% chance that, if we let Lowe bring “his guys” in, his coaching/program stewardship will improve and we’ll have something really rolling. I think there is about a 0-5% chance that we could hire a significantly better coach than Lowe with the current administration in place.

    So unless/until Fowler leaves, I am willing to wait things out with Lowe for a while longer.

  23. BJD95 10/15/2009 at 1:24 PM #

    Any movement to dislodge Lowe would also have to dislodge Fowler. I don’t see any other way that it happens.

  24. Hoyawolf98 10/15/2009 at 1:28 PM #

    I am another wild eyed romantic like many of you. However, I do not think that NCSU will ever really be a championship level contender in the ACC, let alone nationally, ever again. There are many reasons for this, which do not need rehashing her, and I am just calling it as I see the situation.

    The fans live in the a dream world of glory from by-gone years while the administration has continually reinforced they are indifferent. Academically we have atrophied our competitiveness so that our University is now the four year institutional equivalent of Wake County Community College. As another poster pointed out, compare our average SATs to GT or UNC, it is laughable. Our technical engineering programs are not regarded as highly as GT or Duke. THe liberal arts are laughable.

    Sadly I have just come to accept this fact about my University. I know it, I embrace it, I still do not love it but such is the lot we are fated to suffer.

  25. travelwolf 10/15/2009 at 2:24 PM #

    Great depressing article – and very appropriate for all of us fans with limitless hope. Now, excuse me while I go out back and shoot myself.

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