Cheap Seats Football Retrospective: Part V, 2009

1999 NC State Football Helmet

The view from LRM's seats in Section 30

This is the final part of a five-part series that is by no means intended to be authoritative. Rather, it’s nothing more than an incomplete, inconclusive, sometimes erroneous, while always biased retrospective of recent State football history. Part of this was based on nothing more than my attempt to answer the question so many of us are left asking year after year: How did we get here?

Part I: The 90s
Part II: Chuck
Part III: 17
Part IV: TOB

Part V: 2009 (and Beyond)
1999 NC State Football Helmet2008 was State’s third consecutive losing season while after two seasons, Tom O’Brien is 11-14. Regardless, many of us have seen enough evidence to make us confident that a breakout is imminent. Meanwhile, some of you believe that this will be that breakout season. The rationale is that after a dismal first half last season, State demonstrated marked improvement down the stretch, and the level of play in November is more indicative of what we should expect than that in September.

After all, for the first time in a half-decade, there is absolutely no issue at quarterback – Russell Wilson proved he’s a leader and that he’ll deliver in the clutch. He threw 17 touchdowns with only a single interception in 11 games, and he was both the conference’s highest rated passer (133.9) and led it in total offense (213 yards per game). He was also both highly effective and efficient in the red zone, as State was second in the ACC with 27 touchdowns and only two turnovers (one fumble, one turnover on downs).

O’Brien’s second team played with greater discipline – we averaged 42.3 penalty yards per game in 2008 (T-4th ACC), an improvement of 12.2 yards per game over 2007 (54.5, 7th ACC) and 15.7 yards per game from 2006 (58.0, 11th ACC). Turnover margin also improved – we were plus-eight in 2008 (3rd ACC), an improvement of 24 over 2007 (minus-16, 12th ACC) and 19 over 2006 (minus-11, 12th ACC). The much-improved team – with a quarterback, better discipline and a favorable turnover margin – returns seven starters on offense and six (minus Nate Irving) on defense, and for the first time under O’Brien, there is at least some depth at the skill positions and on both lines, which leaves us a little more wriggle room to accommodate minor injuries throughout the season.

All the above makes for a very good team and a realistic shot at playing in Tampa on December 5. Right?

Not so fast, my friend. Personally, I just don’t think this is our breakout year. But then again, a lifetime of experience requires me to be cautiously optimistic, so my expectations are tempered for 2009.

Besides being a losing team last season (6-7), that defense was pretty dreadful. We were last in the conference in scoring defense (26.3 points per game), total defense (390.9 yards per game), and passing defense (248.7); 11th in pass defense efficiency (129.7); eighth in rushing defense (142.2); and 10th in sacks (23). We were last in opponent first downs (278), opponent fourth down conversions (12), and allowed the most red zone scoring opportunities (50). That was a pretty wretched defense before Irving’s injury left a big ol’ gaping hole on the weak side, likely for the season.

Counting the Florida State loss last season, when he played only a few series, Irving missed a total of four games, but still managed to make his overwhelming presence known with 80 tackles, 11 tackles for loss, four interceptions and nine passes defended. Now granted, while his injury isn’t as devastating to us as it would have been the past two seasons, it’s still a tall order to expect middle linebackers Ray Michel (who is now the only returning starter at linebacker from 2008) and the untested – albeit very talented – group of Sterling Lucas, Terrell Manning and Dwayne Maddux to immediately step in and fill Irving’s hole. But then again, Nate was untested as a redshirt freshman in 2007, when he played in all 11 games and eventually earned the starting role for the final four games of the season. So while it’s not impossible, it would be unexpected.

Looking at the schedule, my realistic prediction is a record of 7-5 and a trip to Orlando to the Champs Sports Bowl.

We have a manageable conference schedule, with Duke, Maryland, Clemson, and Carolina each at home; we end the season with three of our final four games at Carter-Finley, and November has been the stretch when O’Brien’s first two teams have each come together. The road is obviously less favorable, but not entirely unbearable. We don’t have to go to either Atlanta or Charlottesville, which have both been big black holes for State football over the past two decades. Instead, in October we have that dreaded trip to Winston – one win (2001) in our last six visits – and then up to Chestnut Hill, where we’ve lost in our past two visits (2005 & 2007); but we (somehow) won our last trip to Blacksburg (2004) and we’ve actually managed Tallahassee fairly well this decade – wins in 2001 and 2005, and we came up just short in the two-overtime thriller in 2003.

The fact remains, we have to win the games we’re supposed to win, especially at home. If we want to make New Year’s plans (or even late December plans), then we must take care of business against Murray State, Gardner-Webb (who gave Georgia Tech all they could handle last season), and the suddenly-chic Duke. South Carolina is a game we should win at home, but right now, I see losses at Wake, Florida State, and Virginia Tech, and probably at home to the Big East favorite, Pittsburgh. And for all of you that think that Thanksgiving Saturday matchup is a sure-bet, just know that it scares me to death – not only will they be a very good team, but does anyone remember the last time we beat Carolina three straight? Exactly.

What worries me most is that Russell Wilson won’t sneak up on anyone this year, which is how we’ll find out just how good he really is – the great ones like Philip are prolific despite whatever game plan an opposing coach can concoct to counter him. I also expect at least some regression in his seemingly-outrageous numbers. But, while it’s unrealistic to expect Wilson to put up the same touchdown-to-interception ratio as last season, it’s not unreasonable to expect him to continue making good decisions or keep escaping danger in the pocket. This is why he can inflict such chaos upon an opposing defense in so many different ways — it’s proven nearly impossible to trap him in a collapsing pocket and even more difficult to force him into a bad decision. I fully expect him to give opposing defenses absolute fits, and hopefully Owen Spencer will haul in a few more that hit his hands in the open field this season.

And if Wilson somehow improves over last year, then ACC beware.

See how I hedge? I really want to be the optimist, but c’mon, I’ve been a State fan my entire life. Hope and optimism are not synonomous — undying hope and loyalty are inherent traits of the State fan, but certainly not optimism.

I’m not planning to throw oranges onto the field in Tampa after we beat Carolina for the second straight week, but I do have certain expectations for success. Foremost, this season I expect to keep demonstrating the measured improvement we’ve shown over the past two years with our discipline – fewer penalties at inopportune times – and increased turnover margin – creating scoring opportunities while limiting those we give away. I also want to see solid progression on the offensive line, for which O’Brien is renowned; in 2008 we were seventh in the ACC in time of possession (29:38), so this year we need to more effectively establish the run to limit our opponents’ scoring chances. Simple, huh?

Oh, and beat Carolina.

Look, I don’t expect to be in Miami on January 5. But Nashville – or even Atlanta with a win in Tallahassee or Blacksburg – isn’t a reach, is it?

I sure hope not, because next year I’m likely to become completely unreasonable.

LRM Note: Since I didn’t own a digital camera until after the 2004 season, the stadium pics at the top of Parts II & III were courtesy of my Canadian buddy who sits with me in Section 30 (I took the ones in Parts IV & V); he threatened to contact his lawyer if I didn’t acknowledge that. So thanks, eh.

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56 Responses to Cheap Seats Football Retrospective: Part V, 2009

  1. BJD95 08/07/2009 at 11:41 AM #

    Pitt is the pre-season pick for Big East champs, although that might be something along the lines of the one-eyed man being king in the land of the blind.

    The key for NC State is to at least split the SC/Pitt games. We don’t want to go into ACC play needing 4-4 just for a .500 record. Sweep both games, and I’ll start getting cautiously optimistic about reaching our Peach Bowl ceiling.

  2. choppack1 08/07/2009 at 11:46 AM #

    “What does the future hold if we have another losing season? Really, what if we have another losing season this year? When does TOB have to accept the responsiblity for putting a winning product on the field?

    I mean dang, I like TOB, but it’s time to show some results. 6-7 is not going to cut it. Hell, the horrible “coach” over at UNC made it to 7-5 last year and GT seems light years ahead of us at this point.”

    Everything is relative – and I look at things this way:
    No. 1 – In his first year, TOB improved on the record of his predecessor and we beat two rivals we lost to the year before.

    No. 2 – In his second year, TOB improved on his own record and beat those same 2 teams again – and got us to a bowl game when view people expected it.

    I have no idea what will happen this year – but if for whatever reason we have another losing record – I’ll definitely be disappointed. However, there could be reasons this happens other than coaching.

    As far as GaTech being light years ahead of us – quick question for you – how many times has Tech missed a bowl game in the last 10 years?

    As for UNC – only idiots call Butch Davis a bad coach. I don’t know if he’s a genius – but I don’t think any rational person would call him a “bad” coach.

  3. Sam92 08/07/2009 at 11:50 AM #

    choppack the point is that the starters haven’t really been all that great, really, and their replacements are likely to be better

  4. primacyone 08/07/2009 at 11:57 AM #

    SFN: We are not going down the TOB/Lowe false equivalence flame war route here.

    “As far as GaTech being light years ahead of us – quick question for you – how many times has Tech missed a bowl game in the last 10 years?”

    I am only referring to what they have done since they changed coaches compared to what we have done since we changed coaches.

    “As for UNC – only idiots call Butch Davis a bad coach. I don’t know if he’s a genius – but I don’t think any rational person would call him a “bad” coach.”

    I am sure all those posters in yesterday’s cheap seats thread really appreciate you calling them idiots. I put the word in quotes to reference yesterday’s discussion.

    Hey, I like TOB as much or more than any/all of you. I’m just saying 3 loosing seasons in a row will be unacceptable in my book.

  5. bradleyb123 08/07/2009 at 12:25 PM #

    ^^^ “I am only referring to what they have done since they changed coaches compared to what we have done since we changed coaches.”

    We’ve done nothing but improve since we changed coaches. We’ve added talent, and we’ve added depth. And we’ve had better coaching.

    I think it’s a moot point to say “what would we do if we have a losing record?” I can’t imagine anything that would cause this team to have a losing record this year. With a break or two, we could be 7-0 heading into the FSU game. That’s best case, obviously. But it’s not crazy to think we could be guaranteed a winning record before we lose our first game.

    But like someone said, there are reasons we could have a losing record that are not the coach’s fault. What if we lost both quarterbacks in the first game? That wouldn’t be TOB’s fault.

    There really is no comparison to TOB and Sid.

  6. BJD95 08/07/2009 at 12:25 PM #

    I didn’t chime in on the last thread where Davis was discussed, but the whole Davis/TOB comparison can be summed up succinctly. Davis is a great recruiter and an OK game coach. O’Brien is an OK recruiter and a great game coach. Which is more important? Since I subscribe to the “threshold” recruiting theory (i.e., you don’t have to be elite recruiting-wise, just have enough talent to be able to compete with all comers), I prefer the O’Brien approach.

    Neither man is bad at either facet, as it would have blown up in their faces by now. It’s the reason why “Jags” couldn’t have survived at BC long-term (despite two consecutive Atlantic titles) – he was an AWFUL recruiter.

  7. RickJ 08/07/2009 at 12:33 PM #

    Great series LRM – thanks.

    “it’s still a tall order to expect middle linebackers Ray Michel (who is now the only returning starter at linebacker from 2008) and the untested – albeit very talented – group of Sterling Lucas, Terrell Manning and Dwayne Maddux to immediately step in and fill Irving’s hole.”

    There is one guy missing here that is an interesting story – Audie Cole. Cole is exactly the type player TOB developed to build BC to a very high level. 200 lb. QB in high school that our coaches thought could grow into a linebacker or defensive end. He is up to 245 lbs as a red shirt sophomore and is our only linebacker that has nailed down a starting position. Last year he was the best wedge buster on kick-offs I’ve ever seen at State. Don’t know if they will let him do it again this year but if they do, take a look. There will be very few running backs that will be able to handle Cole when he blitzes.

    LRM Note: Good point.

  8. PackMan97 08/07/2009 at 12:38 PM #

    I don’t really see what UNC-CH and GT have to do with TOB’s progress.

    Every situation is different. I’m very happy with the progress TOB is making as his first season saw significant improvements over Amato’s last season, especially in fundamentals. Last season saw even greater improvements and a bowl game! I’m expecting better things this season than last.

  9. choppack1 08/07/2009 at 12:58 PM #

    Primacy – just FYI – Tech hasn’t had a losing record since 1997. PJ inherited a decent situation. Granted, I really wanted him at State, but I’ll be interested to see how this grand experiment plays out.

    I’ll stand by my Butch comments. I hope he proves out to be a bad coach – I’d be thrilled to be proven wrong and have him become college’s version Rich Kotite.

  10. wolfpackattack89 08/07/2009 at 1:18 PM #

    anyone see where unc is ranked 20th in the preseason coaches poll?
    what a travesty, their offense is going to blow

  11. bradleyb123 08/07/2009 at 1:31 PM #

    ^^^ “LRM Note: It’s no fun if we all agree on everything. And if you’re gonna disagree, this is a perfectly acceptable way of doing it. I’m standing firm that we won’t win Winston, though.”

    Man, I hope you’re wrong about Wake. They used to be one of those teams we were just supposed to beat, no matter where the game was played. It’s still a hard pill to swallow that they are one of the toughest games on our schedule. I’ve heard our guys talking about how tough it was to win in Winston-Salem. It’s an even tougher pill to swallow that our guys could actually be a little INTIMIDATED by WFF (Wake Freakin’ Forest!) I hope State players eventually realize that Wake had their best games against us under the CTC regime, and TOB will right that ship once again. But under Grobe, Wake will probably never be an easy win again.

  12. bradleyb123 08/07/2009 at 1:35 PM #

    ^^^ “anyone see where unc is ranked 20th in the preseason coaches poll? what a travesty, their offense is going to blow”

    I think so, too. But UNX is always overrated by the media early in the season. That makes it fun to watch them tumble, because you know that is inevitable.

    They MIGHT be worthy of their ranking. The thing is, there are too many questions about their offense right now to know. What is hard to explain is why they are ranked so high, even with those questions on offense.

    I really don’t care, because the only polls that matter are the ones at the END of the year. But this kind of thing may help them in recruiting. That’s the aspect that bugs me about it.

  13. TheCOWDOG 08/07/2009 at 1:40 PM #

    This is going to be a well polished football team. Professional(if you will) in execution, game conduct and decision making.

    Any and all malcontents are gone. Hungry redshirts are present. Confidence level is high. This will be a very focused bunch with 12 winnable games on their plate.

    Do I think they will win 12? Absolutely not. The Cowdog may be as loopy as Lou is these days, but not out of touch with reality. Ya know what though? The 50 odd guys that’ll play this year do.

    I’m dead serious, this is going to be one really good football team.

    I don’t recall who mentioned preseason polls having an affect on BCS positioning, but I thought I heard that there will be no published seasonal polls this year until the first official BCS comes out.
    Can anyone confirm what I thought I heard?

  14. wolfpackattack89 08/07/2009 at 1:44 PM #

    exactly bradleyb123, i just can’t wait to beat them in the reg season finale, it’ll be three years in a row since ive been in school that’s we’ve beaten them. i also have a feeling that we climb into the rankings a few weeks into the season. we can make a huge splash by beating south carolina on national tv

  15. Broccoman 08/07/2009 at 2:55 PM #

    remember, 6 wins= no bowl this year, due to the 2 1-AA teams.

    Splitting SC and Pitt is vital. really this schedule was crappy, instead of playing a 1-AA, we would have been better served traveling to a Sun Belt conf team even.

    LRM Note: I’m pretty sure we added Murray State after East Carolina backed out from our trip to Greenville this year. OOC games are usually scheduled years in advance, so sometimes it’s necessary. Also, an eighth home game means a bigger athletic budget

  16. tjfoose1 08/07/2009 at 3:06 PM #

    primacyone wrote “Hey, I like TOB as much or more than any/all of you. I’m just saying 3 loosing seasons in a row will be unacceptable in my book.”

    That’s great primacyone. When you finish reading YOUR book, perhaps you could step up to something a little more challenging, you know, something with a little more substance that requires a greater sense of depth and understanding… something like “Green Eggs and Ham” should do the trick.

  17. choppack1 08/07/2009 at 3:18 PM #

    cowdog – I hope you are right. I do believe that in the last 4 regular season games, and the first half of the bowl game – that was a pretty damn good football team w/ the block “s” on their helmets.

  18. whitefang 08/07/2009 at 3:38 PM #

    I am with Cowdog. While I don’t believe all the pieces are in place for an exceptional season, I think we should have a pretty damn solid fb team.
    As for the TOB talk; I was with a friend and fellow State alum the other day traveling to a meeting. We were discussing the team and TOB. Neither of us could think of a realistically obtainable coach that would have been better for us as far as what we needed after the Amato train wreck. We are so freakin lucky to have him. Doesn’t mean there aren’t better coaches out there, but we needed EXACTLY what he provided at the time.
    As State fans we seldom get that lucky.

  19. SouthernWolf 08/07/2009 at 3:45 PM #

    Usually, setting W/L goals at the beginning of the season seems like a good way to create a standard to measure improvement over previous seasons. I do not think that is the case this year given the nature of the ACC. Basically all the teams in the ACC think they have been in rebuilding mode (Except for VaTech) and all of them are expecting break out years from their teams. VaTech is expecting a breakout year via more experienced Tyrod Taylor, Carolina is expecting breakout year Via returning defense and more experienced TJ Yates, Miami is expecting breakout year via Randy Shannon’s recruits are finally in a position to contribute, Florida State is thinking breakout year now that their OL coach Trickett finally thinks he has the OL together, Ga Tech thinks the second year of the Paul Pohnson offense is going to lead to improvement, Wake Forrest thinks Riley Skinner is going to put up big numbers in his Senior season, Clemson thinks they finally have a coach to realize all the talent on their roster, hell even Duke thinks they are going to have a break out year via David Cutcliffe. (Even non-conf opponent ‘SC is expecting breakout year in the fourth? year of Spurrier) This means that we do not really know how good our opponents are until they start playing games this year. So if we go 5-7 but several teams in our schedule have improved dramaitcally (say Va Tech wins ACC, Fla State goes 12-1 or 11-2 gets an at large BCS, and Pitt goes on to win the Big East in dominant fashion and gets their BCS, Clemson finally lives up to their potential and goes 10-2) But we competed with all those teams in close games, beat Carolina, blow out Wake (who I believe will be good but not great, defense wins games), and show improvement on both sides of the ball then I will see this season as sucessful and further proof that TOB is bringing along the program. On the other hand if the ACC blows (ala 2008 where evenly matched teams demonstrated their offensive ineptitude by failing to score on mediocre defenses) and we go 7-5 or 8-4 and get blown out by ‘SC or Pitt or Carolina or Clemson, or Wake Forrest (or heaven help us lose to Duke)… Then I will not feel very good about this season.

  20. VaWolf82 08/07/2009 at 3:46 PM #

    This was a nice series of articles…perfect for the weeks leading up to fall practice. This will be the first season in about five years that I haven’t been dreading.

  21. 61Packer 08/07/2009 at 4:58 PM #

    Listen to the Cowdog- this Wolfpack is definitely going to be a very good football team this season. The coaches will certainly strive for more than just our predicted “Peach Bowl ceiling”.

    This home schedule will be a big 8-team sandwich, with Carolina on both ends of it. Time to chow down!

  22. BJD95 08/07/2009 at 5:00 PM #

    I agree with VaWolf – it’s been a long damned time since I didn’t look to football season with dread. Of course, given my historical experiences as a State fan, that makes me really, really nervous.

    I would be happy with a 7-5 (4-4) season. Anything less would disppoint, anything more would be gravy.

    Wasn’t it nice of Fowler to give EZU a favor and let them reschedule our game? Who cares if it potentially keeps us out of a bowl, it’s more important to be buddies with Terry Holland.

    LRM Note: While I agree in principle, I’m so happy we’re not playing them for a while. This gives me the opportunity to promote my preference for an annual State-South Carolina game to open each season…in Charlotte. I’d sacrifice a home game every other season to have a game like this kick off each season. It’d never be Oklahoma-Texas or Florida-Georgia, but it’s still a fun rivalry.

  23. highstick 08/07/2009 at 5:36 PM #

    “But UNX is always overrated by the media early in the season. That makes it fun to watch them tumble, because you know that is inevitable.”

    I hope you’re right because watching that happen is better than good sex! Maybe even great sex! And at 63, any of the three is fantastic!

  24. phillypacker 08/07/2009 at 5:39 PM #

    I know it is lame to point this out, but if anyone reads the NY Times Quad blog review of the Wolfpack, I got the last word with shouts out to this blog, among others. Please post a response to Joel B., if the mood hits you.

    http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/27/the-quad-countdown-no-36-nc-state/

    UNC is going to be reviewed next at #25, so it would be a great opportunity to tee off on the boys in powder blue in a national forum if any of you folks want to post a comment there.

    Chris

  25. highstick 08/07/2009 at 5:50 PM #

    I’ll stand bold and make a prediction:

    1. We’ll win games in which we should have won,

    2. We’ll lose games that we should have won,

    3. We’ll lose games that we shouldn’t have lost,

    4. We’ll lose games that we should have lost,

    5. We’ll beat Carolina

    6. We’ll lose to Carolina(Remember, we play two of them this year! No prediction on which one we lose to at this time)

    7. TOB is a darned good coach!

    8. End result, 1 > 2+3+4

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