The State of State 2.0 – Women’s Basketball

AD & Department Kay Yow Non-Revenue Rankings & Lists Stat of the Day39

Women’s Basketball

I. Records
ACC Record: 284-168 (.628)
ACC Record Pre-Fowler: 216-102 (.679)
ACC Record Under Fowler: 68-66 (.507)

State’s all-time ACC winning percentage has dropped 5.1% since Lee Fowler has been AD. Our ACC winning percentage in the 9 years under Fowler is 17.2% worse than the preceeding 23 seasons and is statistically significant (Z test with a p-value of 0.0008, p-value less than 0.05 would be significant).
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Note: Red points are ACC championship seasons

II. Championships
ACC Titles: 4 (1980, 1985, 1987, 1991)
ACC Titles Under Fowler: 0

All-Time ACC Titles
t1. Maryland – 9
t1. North Carolina – 9
3. Duke – 5
4. NC State – 4
5. Virginia – 3
6. Clemson – 2

All-Time National Championships
t1. Maryland – 1
t1. North Carolina – 1

Current ACC Champ: Maryland
Current National Champ: UConn

III. Lee Fowler’s Tenure (2000-2001 to 2008-2009)

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1. Duke: 119-15 (.888)
2. North Carolina: 103-31 (.769)
3. Maryland: 78-56 (.582)
4. Florida St: 76-58 (.567)
t5. NC State: 68-66 (.507)
t5. Virginia: 68-66 (.507)
7. Boston College: 23-33 (.411)
8. Georgia Tech: 55-79 (.410)
9. Clemson: 45-89 (.336)
10. Virginia Tech: 22-48 (.314)
11. Miami: 16-54 (.229)
12. Wake Forest: 28-106 (.209)

ACC Titles
t1. Duke – 4
t1. North Carolina – 4
3. Maryland – 1

NCAA Tournaments
1. Duke – 9
2. North Carolina – 8
3. Maryland – 7
t4. Florida St – 6
t4. Virginia – 6
t6. Boston College – 5
t6. NC State – 5
t6. Virginia Tech – 5
9. Georgia Tech – 4
t10. Clemson – 2
t10. Miami – 2
12. Wake Forest – 0

Head To Head Records (ACC Regular Season only)
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1. Virginia Tech: 5-0 (1.000)
2. Wake Forest: 16-2 (.889)
3. Miami: 5-1 (.833)
4. Clemson: 8-6 (.571)
t5. Florida St: 7-6 (.538)
t5. Virginia: 7-6 (.538)
7. Boston College: 4-4 (.500)
8. Georgia Tech: 6-7 (.462)
9. Maryland: 5-8 (.385)
10. North Carolina: 4-14 (.222)
11. Duke: 1-12 (.077)

Head To Head Records (All Games)
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1. Virginia Tech: 5-0 (1.000)
2. Wake Forest: 16-3 (.842)
3. Miami: 5-1 (.833)
4. Clemson: 12-7 (.632)
5. Florida St: 9-6 (.600)
t6. Virginia: 7-7 (.500)
t6. Boston College: 4-4 (.500)
8. Georgia Tech: 6-7 (.462)
9. Maryland: 6-9 (.400)
10. North Carolina: 4-18 (.182)
11. Duke: 2-13 (.133)

ACC Finish by Year
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Note: I am planning on keeping these entries focused on statistics without any commentary but in the case of women’s basketball the obvious factor of Kay Yow’s health has to be kept in mind.

As usual, comments, observations and questions are welcome. Up next: men’s basketball, baseball or a non-revenue sport to be named later.

About WV Wolf

Graduated from NCSU in 1996 with a degree in statistics. Born and inbred in West "By God" Virginia and now live in Raleigh where I spend my time watching the Wolfpack, the Mountaineers and the Carolina Hurricanes as well as making bar graphs for SFN. I'm @wvncsu on the Twitter machine.

AD & Department Kay Yow Non-Revenue Rankings & Lists Stat of the Day

39 Responses to The State of State 2.0 – Women’s Basketball

  1. Bubba 07/22/2009 at 8:37 AM #

    Nicely done. Charts with pretty colors.Kudos to Lee Fowler for hiring outside the box on this one.

  2. Classof89 07/22/2009 at 9:31 AM #

    hball57 said “Some people like to attack the amount of money spent on WBB and I think they are way off base. WBB has the second highest amount of full scholarships under NCAA guidelines, more than MBB. To have a top flight program, you must incur those type of expenses. And many want to complain about trips to certain places for tournaments without knowing the financial arrangements for those.”

    Actually, I think the complaint is that we spend as much as top flight programs, but we don’t get the results of other top flight programs.

    And if the issue with the Associate Head Coach was an O’Leary type resume issue, then it was handled absolutely appropriately (quickly and quietly) which I would observe reflects positively on Harper, particularly given her youth and relative lack of seasoning on knotty personnel issues such as this.

  3. GoldenChain 07/22/2009 at 10:42 AM #

    I quoted a few of those stats in thumbnail form when the blog about Glance was up. You lay out the case perfectly why we had to go a completely different direction and make a clean break….and not from the ‘family’. Hopefully Jed made a mistake and got someone good.

    Seriously, as stated by others, the whole situation with Jed is that he runs a department that places no stress on winning. Period. Otherwise he wouldn’t hang on to so many coaches when they consistently underpreform the rest of the league/NCAA.

    But he’s not the fool in this, … us boosters are!

  4. MP 07/22/2009 at 12:42 PM #

    Sometimes you guys update posts with readers’ comments – I think hball57’s comments would be useful to the overall blog post, adding perspective specific to the post.

    Classof89, Glance isn’t the coach.

  5. 61Packer 07/23/2009 at 12:01 AM #

    I don’t think that Kellie Harper will stay at State long enough to “rebuild” this program. Give her about 3 years or so, and she’ll move on to more attractive places.

    Only then will we be able to determine whether or not Fouler made the right choice here.

  6. bradleyb123 07/23/2009 at 11:03 AM #

    61Packer, are you saying if Harper leaves for “greener pastures” in three years, she will have been the wrong choice — for that reason alone?

    Or are you saying we’ll just have to wait and judge her by her results while she was here?

  7. Texpack 07/23/2009 at 12:10 PM #

    When I was at State (79-84), if you missed the first 5 minutes of most of the State Women’s games the game was over. UMd and ECU were the two exceptions. We almost beat the Soviet Women’s National Team in Reynolds one year. The program at State absolutely declined over the years, but after Title 9 (if I have my regulations correct) a lot of other schools added resources to their WBB programs. I’m not so sure that we added $$ at the same rate. In short, the competition got a lot better as well. I think Coach Yow’s health hurt the program in the last 3-4 years, but the decline before that has its roots elsewhere.

  8. 61Packer 07/23/2009 at 12:47 PM #

    I’m well aware that I’m in the minority here, but I disagreed with not giving Glance at least 2 seasons alone at the helm without Yow, to see how she would do with the distractions gone. After all, we’ve already given Lowe, a far worse coach in my opinon, 3 years, with no end in sight.

    Had I been the one to make this hire, I wouldn’t have jumped so quickly on the Harper bandwagon. I see Harper as a legitimate candidate for the UT program’s head coaching position somewhere not that far down the road. Pat Summitt is closing in on 1000 wins there and already has 34 years, and she’s not going to stay there forever. She’s in her late 50s, and if UT wanted Harper, she’d go in a heartbeat- who’d blame her?

    If that happens, and I think there’s a better than average chance that it will, we’ll be facing yet another coaching search, and unless another SEC school, Vanderbilt, rescues us, we’re stuck with our AD for a long, long time.

  9. bradleyb123 07/23/2009 at 2:21 PM #

    ^ “I’m well aware that I’m in the minority here, but I disagreed with not giving Glance at least 2 seasons alone at the helm without Yow, to see how she would do with the distractions gone. After all, we’ve already given Lowe, a far worse coach in my opinon, 3 years, with no end in sight.”

    If Fowler took a chance on Glance, and she failed, he would have been knocked for hiring someone without head coaching experience. He was kinda between a rock and a hard place in this one. No matter who he hired, half the people were going to be unhappy with his decision.

    If we had kept Glance, I would have been OK with that. I was also OK with Harper’s hiring. There were pros and cons to both potential hires. I can see your point about giving Glance a chance, though. She was with Kay something like 15 years and probably deserved that much.

  10. Wufpacker 07/23/2009 at 7:36 PM #

    Admittedly, I don’t know jack about Glance or her coaching abilities. That being said, I think the decline of the WBB program is pretty easy to see even before Kay took ill. Except for a final four in ’96 there hasn’t been that much to be overjoyed about lately. A few pretty good years (some 3rd place ACC finishes but nothing higher and no championships), but nothing fantastic…to be fair, no horrible finishes either.

    Glance was a big part of that previous history. Going with Glance would have been widely seen as taking the easy way out, but with little chance for a huge upside.

    And even if Harper does bolt for UT at some point, that is going to mean she has done a heckuva job at NCSU, and thats never a bad thing. Also, if she has done a great job and has a good thing going at NCSU, and is considered when Summitt retires, don’t be surprised if she doesn’t want to leave that to go to UT and follow a legend.

  11. VaWolf82 07/23/2009 at 9:07 PM #

    I can see your point about giving Glance a chance, though. She was with Kay something like 15 years and probably deserved that much.

    One day, bradley and I will agree on a topic…but today is not that day. Make all the excuses you want, but no interim coach with Glance’s record would ever be given the job on a full-time basis. 15 years of service doesn’t automatically qualify you for a promotion at any company that I know of.

    Bottom line…there is no rational reason reason to have given Glance the job. That conclusion won’t ever change regardless of what Coach’s Harper’s record is.

  12. VaWolf82 07/23/2009 at 9:11 PM #

    if UT wanted Harper, she’d go in a heartbeat- who’d blame her?

    So what? Why should State ever avoid a coach because of what they MIGHT do in the future? If Harper is so successful that UT wants her when Summitt retires, why wouldn’t you want that success to come in Raleigh?

    If Glance was such a slam dunk as a head coaching hire, then I’m sure that there will be lots of other opportunities.

  13. bradleyb123 07/24/2009 at 11:46 AM #

    ^ “One day, bradley and I will agree on a topic…but today is not that day. Make all the excuses you want, but no interim coach with Glance’s record would ever be given the job on a full-time basis. 15 years of service doesn’t automatically qualify you for a promotion at any company that I know of.”

    Well, we do agree on this more than you realize. Maybe it came across that I would have been happy with Glance as much as Harper. But I wouldn’t. I was very pleased with the Harper hiring. (Unfortunately, she may end up being one of the few feathers in Jed’s hat… her and the fuhcilities!)

    I just said I could see the guy’s point about Glance. I could see giving her a chance and wouldn’t have been *too* upset about her getting a shot. (That’s probably where we differ on this, it sounds like you would.) UNX gave Coach Guthridge a chance, and we all know that was just his reward for being an assistant all those years.

    I like the Harper hiring. I think the program needed a fresh start with someone from the outside, like her.

  14. syddeck 07/29/2009 at 8:22 PM #

    I love the Harper and O’Brien hires and the jury is still out for Lowe. I guess the jury is still out for Harper but it really looks like a home run. For this, I’m grateful for Fowler. Though, the hiring process for the last men’s basketball coach was a public relations disaster. The improvement of the football, baseball, softball, and tennis facilities has been very impressive.

    I have only been following the Pack real closely in the last six years and when I was a student in the eighties. Things have definitely improved in the last six years though the win/loss record hasn’t shown it yet.

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