Friday Afternoon Discussion Topics

It has been slow recently, but there were a few interesting articles/topics to highlight this afternoon.

The first deals with an athletic director “think tank” that for some reason doesn’t include our own Lee Fowler. The topic of this year’s meeting in Durham, NC was athletic budgets in the recession:

DeFilippo said it’s difficult for an individual school to eliminate certain expenditures if its rivals aren’t doing it, too.

“We need to look at it on a national level so there’s a more level playing field,” DeFilippo said. “None of us want to disadvantage our student-athletes or our coaches or our teams. If Stanford is going to lose three administrators, then so does Boston College and everybody else. If Stanford is going to lose a coach, then everybody needs to do it. Stanford shouldn’t be the only school hurt.”

We previously discussed the contract extension of BC’s DeFilippo and compared it to the extension Lee Fowler received several years ago here.

Because news has been so slow, we will point you towards this story about a top combo guard rescinding his commitment to Herb Sendek and Arizona State:

Like many early pledges, Turner cited a desire to be recruited and echoed similar statements that he did it too early. “I never went through the recruiting process and I just wanted to open up to any school to see what other schools are like. It wasn’t schools in particular that I wanted to go to, I just wanted to open it up to see who would come.”

Turner said he’d like to hear from Pac-10 and SEC programs.

”I will consider (Arizona State). I’m open to anybody. If they want to recruit me, they can. I really like (the Sun Devils).”

This was interesting and relevant for several reasons:

1. Sendek struggled during his tenure at NC State to recruit point guards and that appears to be continuing at Arizona St. Not to mention, the lack of quality guards in our program has significantly hindered Coach Lowe’s first three teams.

2. Sidney Lowe also lost an early commitment from pivotal recruit CJ Leslie (as did Boston College as well). CJ also wanted to open things up to other schools. CJ committed to NC State as a freshman in high school.

Which leads us directly to an Update from the Trail by Jim Young of the ACC Sports Journal who conducted a solid interview of Packpride’s James Henderson:

Just how long a coach should be given to turn a program around is really subjective and can vary from person-to-person. I think most on our boards want to see this year’s team show some promise. The rotation could include as many as seven freshmen and sophomores. The expectations won’t be high, but if the team can show some steady improvement over the course of the year then I think most Wolfpack fans would definitely like to give Lowe a fifth season where he could bring in Brown and Harrow who project to be impact players. With that being said, if Lowe isn’t given another year I highly doubt those two would enroll.

Having followed basketball recruiting closely for 20+ years, I don’t remember many examples of kids rescinding verbal commitments. However, there does appear to be a trend for kids committing earlier in the process and then those same kids changing their minds over the next several years before they matriculate to college. It is worth pointing out that if Lorenzo Brown isn’t allowed to enroll at NC State, then his letter of intent is immediately voided. Also, Ryan Harrow won’t be eligible to sign a letter of intent until October. Anyone remember year five of the Sendek era when neither of our top recruits (Julius Hodge & Levi Watkins) signed letters of intent putting us in a situation of either keeping a coach to get two key recruits or firing a coach and losing both players? We could be headed down the exact same path.

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48 Responses to Friday Afternoon Discussion Topics

  1. rtpack24 07/18/2009 at 12:04 PM #

    It will be interesting next year. I believe showing improvement is a non issue. We have been bad. The worst defensive team in the league. So next year we need to be a good team. One that plays together, plays hard and looks like they know what they are doing. When a coach has to whistle or thinks he does each trip down the floor to shout instructions it makes you wonder does anything ever get accomplished in practice. I hope it all turns around next year. It ought to be interesting!

  2. saywhat 07/18/2009 at 12:21 PM #

    I don’t understand the approach of some of the posters. You make it a point to call out James and yet you’re afraid to mention the name of the big donor? Seems inconsistent at best.

    I was never a big fan of Herb but I do like some of the things I’ve seen from Lowe. I don’t think this program is really that far away as far as talent goes (I know that’s not popular here). IMO Harrow will sign the very first day of the signing period.

    I’d like to see Sid get five years to prove himself and then make a change if it comes to that. Why not just see what happens next year before you make up your mind? I know it’s too late for many of you.

  3. BJD95 07/18/2009 at 1:37 PM #

    I have almost 10 years of experience with JH’s shilling for the status quo. He and Bob Kennel are the only 2 people I’m aware of who never soured on Sendek, Fowler, Amato, or Lowe. With a track record like that, it’s just putting 2 and 2 together.

    Plus, I’m responding to what JH said in the interview. It’s hardly “calling him out” to respond to his public comments.

    I also am only 80-90 percent sure about the “significant donor” theory. The pieces certainly fit, but it does need more fleshing out before I use a name. That’s only fair. You can be assured that if said individual went public with his Fowler defense, we would respond directly.

  4. saywhat 07/18/2009 at 1:51 PM #

    I don’t really see it as James’ job to be overly critical of coaches. I’m not aware of scout editors at other sites that question coaches.

    It seems like he was just trying to give an idea of the thinking of the posters on packpride – which obviously runs less negative than this one. I understand that it benefits this site if you can make people think less of packpride.

    I’m no fan of Fowler and I want him gone but I’m still gonna hope that the teams succeed despite him as opposed to being so sure that the teams need to fail in order to get Fowler out. It’s clear that getting rid of Fowler is the primary agenda of this site. I just don’t see anything of substance pushing that forward. Get the information on the donor and publish it. actually do something. If James is a shill than ignore him. Why do you care?

  5. Dogbreath 07/18/2009 at 2:14 PM #

    My guess is that the unnamed donor is Smedes York, since he is “Mister Raleigh,” and Lee Fowler, despite his redneck proclivities, would do just about anything to be accepted by the Carolina Country Club set.

  6. PackerInRussia 07/18/2009 at 3:56 PM #

    I don’t think it matters if Brown and Harrow sign their LOI. As it was proven after Sendek left, even an LOI can be gotten out of at one’s insisting (only with certain AD’s that is). So there’s no reason to hope or assume that if and when they sign it’d be safe to think about firing anyone and not worry about losing commits. As to the theory that they may stay and play anyway, I think there are at least two reasons against that happening. First, although a player signs with a school, they usually commit to a coach. With a coach like Coach Lowe who has a lot of personality and is easily likable (I’m only assuming this based on interviews and such and that even if it’s only for show, the show is on when talking with recruits), I can only assume that they’d be more committed to the coach. Second, I agree that if the right coach came in, they might stay committed. With Fowler in charge, I don’t have a lot of hope for the right coach coming in if it comes to that.
    But, as Noah said, this is all probably a purposeless post since Lowe going anywhere after a bad season is unlikely as long as Fowler is there.

  7. 61Packer 07/18/2009 at 4:24 PM #

    bradleyb123: “If we get to the point where Sid needs to go………..”

    You mean we haven’t reached that point yet?

  8. Noah 07/18/2009 at 5:15 PM #

    My guess is that the unnamed donor is Smedes York, since he is “Mister Raleigh,” and Lee Fowler, despite his redneck proclivities,

    Nope. I’ve met Smedes York and he’s got far too much class to pal around with Uncle Jed.

    It doesn’t really matter who the donor is.

  9. Noah 07/18/2009 at 5:23 PM #

    BTW, when I was a reporter, I interviewed a schizophrenic who had killed three of his relatives during a family reunion on easter. (there were bars between us).

    That guy also had too much class to pal around with Fowler.

  10. hball57 07/18/2009 at 5:52 PM #

    Having followed basketball recruiting closely for 20+ years, I don’t remember many examples of kids rescinding verbal commitments. However, there does appear to be a trend for kids committing earlier in the process and then those same kids changing their minds over the next several years before they matriculate to college.

    I believe that with the recruiting happening earlier and earlier you will find more verbal recruits de-commiting. It is the nature of the HS athletes these days; they feel insecure as freshman and sophomores in HS about their future. After the attention increases up as juniors, the feel like they are missing something and they want the recruiting experience. Add to this the inexperience of a lot of HS coaches in helping to deal with recruiting.

  11. Dogbreath 07/18/2009 at 6:44 PM #

    From everything I’ve read, Smedes York is a fine man. I just wonder if Jethro the Stooge has succeeded in kissing his ass such that he enjoys complete job security.

    Jethro is always searching out for his next steak dinnuh, and he fancies himself as a development mogul, so sucking up to the most prolific real estate guy in Raleigh who happens to be an ardent State supporter makes total sense.

  12. VaWolf82 07/18/2009 at 9:47 PM #

    Let’s drop the guessing games on noah’s mystery booster. It serves no purpose to throw around the names of the top boosters.

  13. phillypacker 07/19/2009 at 5:17 PM #

    Call me crazy, but I don’t think Sidney would cling to a contract if things are not improving significantly. If he has the fans on him and the situation gets worse or just hangs in the present state, it would not surprise me if he rejoined Flip Sanders/Saunders in DC, near home and make good money hanging with all his NBA pals. Why beat your head against the wall if you can have a better life somewhere else? I see him as different in that regard from basketball coaches since les robinson.

  14. wolfmanmat 07/19/2009 at 6:03 PM #

    Let me be honest here. No 1 donor should ever make that much of a difference. I’m sorry, but the problem with State athletics is that only a couple alumni give large sums back to athletics. At Carolina, they would not listen to a single donor…the Tarheel club, yes, but no single donor should be able to hold a program captive. If we ever want to be like Carolina, we need more LARGE donors.

  15. Dogbreath 07/19/2009 at 6:23 PM #

    By large money, do you mean like Nike and everyone else who thrives on its coattails (e.g. NCAA, Foot Locker, etc)?

  16. packalum44 07/20/2009 at 12:06 AM #

    Philly: You forget a very important factor in your reasoning….$$$$…. When Sid is fired and goes back to being an assistant coach, he’ll take a substantial pay cut. To go from making 1 million in Raleigh to making 200-300K in DC is not something you do voluntarily.

  17. JamesHenderson 07/20/2009 at 8:44 AM #

    If you have an issue with what I say please come to my board and ask me about it.

    To call me a shill is laughable. I don’t give a damn about Sidney Lowe or Lee Fowler when it comes to NC State. It is their job to achieve the goals set for them by those above them and if they don’t do that then I’m sure they will be dealt with accordingly.

    My statements regarding Brown and Harrow are not some big conspiracy theory that some of you fools like to dream up. In talking with people close to both Harrow and Brown, if Lowe is not at NC State they will head elsewhere, especially Harrow. Could they do that if Lowe is still at NC State? Sure. Anything can happen, but the likelihood is very, very small. Just like there’s a chance they could stick with NC State if Lowe is fired, but that’s small as well.

    I’m not trying to put out info to save Sidney Lowe’s job or Lee Fowler. I could care less regardless of what some of you conspiracy theorists think.

    Damn, grow up and quit acting like everything has some extra motivation behind it. You guys here should be happy because Herb is gone. That’s what you wanted. Now you want Sid gone and Fowler gone and whoever else is the next guy gone. That’s fine too, but if you have an issue with what I’ve said or written feel free to email me or post it on my board. Don’t do it here where I’ll never read it. The only reason I read this is because some posters notified me that I’m a shill according to the holy State Fans Nation. A shill? Please.

  18. JamesHenderson 07/20/2009 at 9:03 AM #

    BJD95 Says:
    July 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    I have almost 10 years of experience with JH’s shilling for the status quo. He and Bob Kennel are the only 2 people I’m aware of who never soured on Sendek, Fowler, Amato, or Lowe. With a track record like that, it’s just putting 2 and 2 together.
    —–

    Almost 10 years of experience? 10 years ago I was a frosh/soph. at NC State and barely used the Internet, but if you say so.

    1. Who care how many people soured on Sendek, Fowler, Amato, or Lowe. Is that a requirement?
    2. How do you know I never soured on them? Because I didn’t come out posting it on a message board under my name?

    Trust me, you have no clue how I felt/feel about each of those three coaches and AD… you really don’t if you’re trying to decipher my feelings based on what I’ve posted with my real name (not some alias I might add).

    —–
    BJD95 Says:
    July 17th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    I can assure you that they won’t sign LOIs in October. Lowe and Fowler WANT them to be in a blackmail position, because they want NO performance standard for the 2009-10 season.
    —–

    Let me get this straight. Sidney Lowe and Lee Fowler want Brown and Harrow to NOT sign with NC State so they can “blackmail” the fans? LOL. Are you kidding me? Sidney Lowe wants them signed today. Now, if they don’t sign LOIs, it will likely be to protect themselves against the lame rules established by the NCAA, but I’m sure it will be spun some other way here to fit into the big conspiracy theory.

    I just think it’s laughable you guys think I’m trying to save coaching jobs and AD jobs. Do you know how our business works? We sell the most subscriptions when there are coaching changes… but to hear some of you say it I’m on a mission to keep coaches around! Yeah, right.

  19. Noah 07/20/2009 at 9:13 AM #

    If anyone wants to mail me $10 a month, I’ll let you call me anything you want.

  20. fvpackman 07/20/2009 at 10:01 AM #

    Richard Vaughen

    fv

  21. BJD95 07/20/2009 at 10:32 AM #

    Hi, James! Kennel has an account here, too. 🙂

  22. blpack 07/20/2009 at 9:55 PM #

    The basketball program continues to suffer from bad decisions by our AD going back to 2001. Now nearly the entire athletics program is among the worst in the ACC. Eleventh out of twelve schools in the Directors Cup the last two years and no ACC team titles the last two years. So many on here lament the AD’s lack of leadership. Time for a change.

  23. bradleyb123 07/21/2009 at 2:33 PM #

    ^ “bradleyb123: “If we get to the point where Sid needs to go………..”

    You mean we haven’t reached that point yet?”

    No. We haven’t. Firing Lowe right now would be the worst thing we could possibly do. So no, we aren’t at that point. We may be there at the end of the upcoming season. We may even be there BEFORE this season is over, if Sid is doing horribly. But we aren’t there yet.

    This has been one of my biggest points, that talking about getting rid of Sidney RIGHT NOW is pointless. Unless you know of a great, proven coach that would come to Raleigh RIGHT NOW. But even if we do, we all know Sid is here for the upcoming season, and there is no chance of replacing him before then. If and when he’s doing a bad job in December or January, then would be the time to talk up replacing him. If he’s doing a bad job, and it’s clear that he is the reason we’re losing games (as opposed to freshmen making freshmen mistakes), then I’ll join the group of people calling for Sid’s job.

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