The Day After (Updated 9:40am)

Huge day yesterday. statusquOblinger’s resignation became SFN’s fourth most viewed story of the entire month in a single day. The worst thing about the yesterday’s traffic to the site is that WV Wolf’s fantastic “State of Football” piece got a little overshadowed.

As usual, our community shared some fantastic comments that are much appreciated.

Charlotte Obs headline Oblinger

Link to lead story in Raleigh & Charlotte Observers.

Correct me if I am interpreting this incorrectly – but am I analyzing this correctly that Oblinger gets a six month PAID vacation at his current high salary rate and then gets to return to the University at a lower rate – but still one that most people would love to have – for the responsibility of teaching one class per semester?

He gets to return to the University where he can then play roles on the Faculty Senate and influence decisions with a faculty which STILL has not publicly censured him after they censured and ran off the likes of Chancellor Fox, Jim Valvano, and others for what far less transgressions? (Could you imagine if Valvano had ever been caught lying and had NOT been cleared of any wrong doing after six diffferent agencies and organizations investigated his program?)

I am obviously not the only person who thinks this way. The following is gleaned from a comment yesterday by ‘sweet jumper’:

I find it ironic that V was forced to resign by the “holier than thou” administration over rumors and heresay, and the NCAA found no evidence of activity to warrant probation. Now the corruptness of the administration is coming to light and the trail leads all the way to the governor’s office. The dominoes are falling and it sounds like the FBI is going to find a lot more wrongdoing in academia than the NCAA discovered in hoops 20 years ago.

I cannot help but support the thoughts of a poster named ‘weejuns’ on Pack Pride’s message boards when he says:

The Alumni Association ought to take a firm stand against this mess and call for the firing of Nielson and Oblinger with no tenure benefits. The likelihood that tenure will be stripped is remote, but the public stand ought to be taken that it is not OK with NC State Alumni that such actions are ok. Being silent in this case is the equivalence of condoning it.

Let me tell you what is REALLY going on here – GREED and GAMING the system.

You see, retirement benefits of state government jobs are set differently than the benefits that those of us in the real world have. For example, an employee’s annual pension is set on a formula based on a certain number of years of that employee’s highest pay.

For example, when a state employee retires they get an annual payment of some percentage of their four highest years of compensation. It is NOT the last four years of service or some kind of average of the entirety of service. So, it is in the self interest of these cronies to be able to bring in as much compensation as they can for a certain amount of years at any point in their career. This is one of the reasons that the world of academia is one of the only industries where former leaders can/will remain employed in lesser roles with lesser compensation. They can ride off and build more ‘years of service’ for other various retirement benefits while sitting idly by with tenure and in a world of no demands.

So, when all of these folks – Oblinger, Nielsen, Easley – are angling for more and more money, even for short amounts of time, the impact of that compensation is not only felt by the taxpayers today but also translates into higher retirement benefits for every year of their life after retirement. Courtesy of the North Carolina tax payer.

Link to “NC State feels leadership vacuum”. Obviously I don’t argue the premise – except for the Marye Ann Fox years, NC State has felt a leadership vaccuum since the 1980s.

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79 Responses to The Day After (Updated 9:40am)

  1. sautz 06/09/2009 at 11:47 AM #

    ^ Me too. Does anyone know and can share what he is saying over at PP, if he is saying anything? Bob “Never Fire Anyone No Matter How Awful They Are (except V)” Kennel must have some real head scratchers on this topic.

  2. Sam92 06/09/2009 at 11:55 AM #

    sadly, i agree that with all of this going on, no one is going to have the energy to dump lee fowler.

    i can only hope that the choice to replace oblinger is someone with a vision for improving n.c. state, not for continuing to morph it into a bland, mediocre commuter school.

  3. fvpackman 06/09/2009 at 1:19 PM #

    I have no solid proof…But I keep hearing from the circles I run in that Campbell was really close to dropping the hammer on Fowler in April…Then all this happens….Is Fowler Deep Throat?.All the others just casulities from the bomb? Why would Chip Alexander have a credit in some of the stories? He is a sports reporter..A lot of questions still to be answered.

    fv

  4. StateFans 06/09/2009 at 1:38 PM #

    ^ Lots of grumblings out there discussing this hypothesis. Snakes in the grass, my friends.

  5. GAWolf 06/09/2009 at 1:41 PM #

    I know several NC agencies who are overstaffed. If you work with some of these agencies on a regular basis, you know what I’m talking about: you have to ask 4 people to do something for you, and the first three, despite doing absolutely nothing at the time, tell you it’s someone else’s job. At least two of those four can be eliminated immediately. There’s half your state budget, right there.

    Government is just way too big. Way… too… big. Law enforcement, despite creating business for me, is one of the first places we could really trim some fat. The problem with that is that any law maker who slashes law enforcement is tabbed “soft on crime” and its thereafter used against them when they run for reelection.

  6. Alpha Wolf 06/09/2009 at 1:44 PM #

    packalum44, your points all make perfect sense — in the real world. Unfortunately, academia is well down the rabbit-hole in Alice’s Wonderland. There, the real world matters not and common sense need not apply.

  7. GAWolf 06/09/2009 at 1:50 PM #

    Holy mother of all conspiracy theories…

    That’s some interesting stuff.

  8. old13 06/09/2009 at 1:55 PM #

    And BobLee weighs in:

    http://bobleesays.com/archives/all/Monday-Bloody-Monday.aspx

    I always enjoy his no-holds-barred commentary!

    BTW there is talk over on the PP board about alumni encouraging the Alumni Association to speak out against tenure and golden parachutes for O and N. Would that it would happen!

  9. Noah 06/09/2009 at 2:25 PM #

    I’ve heard the same thing that FV has heard. I’ve even heard the names involved.

    Discretion has never been one of my strong points…so I’m going to follow his lead and assume we’re supposed to stop talking now.

  10. MattN 06/09/2009 at 2:57 PM #

    Personally, my wife is a teacher took a paycut for 2009 (retro-active, I might add) in May, while Easley gets paid an asinine amount of state money to do basically…nothing.

    That kinda pisses me off…

  11. Noah 06/09/2009 at 3:24 PM #

    Nothing good will come from any of this stuff. It shines a light on just how effed up and disorganized the university has been for such a long time.

    Remember back in April when we were talking about the Fowler thing and I used the analogy about how sometimes you just have to knock the whole damn thing down and start over? It’s not a salvage job. It’s not a rehab job. It’s a scrap-and-do-over from scratch job.

    Does anyone REALLY doubt any of that now?

    To use another analogy, I remember reading somewhere about China’s efforts to use home-made steel during a big building boom in the 50s. They had the equivalent of kilns in the backyard and were trying to melt iron and carbon together. But because they didn’t have those big-ass furnaces, they couldn’t get it hot enough and it didn’t work. But they still tried to build with it anyway. And of course…the damn buildings fell over.

    That’s the way this feels to me. You’ve got a big problem with fundamentals and it means that the end results are always going to be wrong. And the damn building just falls over.

  12. old13 06/09/2009 at 3:34 PM #

    ^ And hopefully, now that the building is down, rebuilding will take place rather than an effort to merely mend it!

  13. bradleyb123 06/09/2009 at 3:34 PM #

    ^ “Nothing good will come from any of this stuff. It shines a light on just how effed up and disorganized the university has been for such a long time.”

    But isn’t this the scrap-and-do-over from scratch job that you think we need? (And I agree that we need?)

    It seems to me that we’re getting what we needed. How is that not a good thing for us?

  14. DRW 06/09/2009 at 3:41 PM #

    GAWolf: Don’t paint with too broad a brush. Some agencies are bloated. Mine is not one of them. I need more people in my unit to answer phone calls from people concerned about their unemployment claim.

  15. Sam92 06/09/2009 at 3:54 PM #

    so is it just me, or must the lead in to this post be tongue-in-cheek? — the fourth most viewed story of the month? here we are on the 9th and this is in fourth place, doesn’t sound exactly impressive, or am i missing the point?

  16. Noah 06/09/2009 at 4:12 PM #

    But isn’t this the scrap-and-do-over from scratch job that you think we need? (And I agree that we need?)

    Depends.

    Right now, we haven’t even started the demolition. Is Fowler still here? How about Annabelle Meyers? (Just to name two members of Team Nitwit)

    What fundamental changes have been made this week? We’ve fired some folks, but don’t think that we’ve reached the bottom of the barrel. Don’t think for a second that it couldn’t get any worse.

  17. wolfwarrior 06/09/2009 at 4:17 PM #

    Not sure if this is off topic or not but my intuition brought the thought “what is Jim Hunt up to these days”?

  18. Alpha Wolf 06/09/2009 at 4:30 PM #

    I would prefer to stay far away from the Democratic Party of NC when it comes to naming new leaders for NC State. Their members were the ones who drove this mess in the first place.

  19. packalum44 06/09/2009 at 4:49 PM #

    Jim Hunt is a fine man that I’d love to run NC State but he’s older and content on his farm in Rock Ridge, NC.

    Things aren’t going to be reformed. The foundation is firmly entrenched in society. This is a nationwide phenomena. NC State may or may not be worse than others but its like counting the number of tricks a hooker turns. What’s the difference between 1000 and 1200? She still has diseases that make the Almighty himself shiver.

    We can only hope for small improvements of the system or accept it the way it is. A strong Chancellor with VISIONARY leadership skills is necessary but they ain’t like NFL running backs. They’re hard to find.

  20. highstick 06/09/2009 at 5:01 PM #

    Maybe they need to be looking outside of academia then, Packalum. Can’t understand the love affair with Jim Hunt either. My last few years living in NC in the late 70’s, one of my employers basically let his business go down the tubes so he could fly Hunt around in his private airplane.

  21. Noah 06/09/2009 at 5:04 PM #

    Nihlistic philosophies about government aside…this thing is bigger than people think it is.

    And no, I’m not talking about “all government is evil!” or “universities are breeding grounds for commie pinko fag islamofascist terrorists!”

    It’s not about “academia” and it damn sure isn’t about “government.” Plenty of other schools manage to go from here to there without crapping their collective pants.

  22. bradleyb123 06/09/2009 at 5:37 PM #

    ^ “Right now, we haven’t even started the demolition. Is Fowler still here? How about Annabelle Meyers? (Just to name two members of Team Nitwit)”

    You’re right. But theoretically, if we get the right people in place after the current housekeeping that is going on, then team nitwit will also be replaced sometime in the near future (as soon as the dust settles maybe). Kinda like getting the right AD should (in theory) help in replacing a bad coach. A good AD would replace a bad coach. Likewise, getting good BOT members, chancellor, etc., should have the same effect in replacing the AD and other nitwits. In theory. I think there’s reason for hope anyway.

    “What fundamental changes have been made this week? We’ve fired some folks, but don’t think that we’ve reached the bottom of the barrel. Don’t think for a second that it couldn’t get any worse.”

    I hope the dominoes keep falling. The more new people we get, the better chance we have that SOME of them will actually CARE about athletics at NC State.

  23. burnbarn 06/09/2009 at 5:50 PM #

    I doubt Mary Easley will sue NCSU.. she does not need anymore bright lights. Oblinger hung her out to dry. So she didn’t resign b/c she wasn’t going down alone for this… she just waited around for the details to come out. The BOT did what they had to and this a gamble worth taking as all parties have too much to lose if this thing plays out in court.

    I wonder if Oblinger will be arrested on misappropriation of tax dollars. Didn’t he circumvent the rules to give Neilson more money than he should have.. and then lie about it…. twice?

    Could he go to prison over this and perhaps Neilson too on conspiracy charges?

    I know some brothers would be getting arrested right now if they tried to get too much money from whitey.

  24. Bubba 06/09/2009 at 6:04 PM #

    Campbell has tried to drop the hammer on Lee for 2 1/2 yrs but has never gotten more than 2 other votes.I’ll refrain from naming those 2 votes(one is no longer on the board) but was told that he thought he had gotten 2 more back in March. He still was going to come up short on his vote and the matter was dropped in early April.

  25. GAWolf 06/09/2009 at 8:51 PM #

    What’s this talk about Hunt? He’s connected to this whole mess, too. Familiarize yourself with this story from 1997… it’s more connected than you could ever imagine:

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/164951/

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