NC State Basketball in the News

Apparently there was a press conference yesterday, here is some coverage from WRAL:


Lowe looking to put his own stamp on the program:

This offseason, coaches like Tom Izzo and Tubby Smith told Lowe this was his season to put his own stamp on the Pack program. “No question about it,” said Lowe, who has yet to make the NCAA tournament as a coach. “They said, ‘This is where you can make your mark and change things.’ One of them said ‘change the culture.

Link to expanded interview with Coach Lowe

With only one Sendek recruited player on next year’s roster (D. Horner who is now a senior and will have played all four years under Coach Lowe), Coach Lowe has completely rebuilt the roster. The roster has depth at every position, but it lacks experience and has very few, if any, proven ACC players. Only Tracy Smith showed all-ACC potential last year, so the Pack needs improvement at every single position in addition to needing several freshman ready to be major contributors off the bench. There is hope as Javier Gonzalez, Dennis Horner, and CJ Williams showed flashes of strong play last year. However, they still disappeared at times and none of the three have shown the ability to play consistently well at this level. Still, I like what they bring to the table in toughness and grit, so hopefully they will be able to fill their expanded roles with McCauley, Costner, and Fells all gone.

In terms of the freshman, Lowe compiled a top 15~ recruiting class that will bring talent, athleticism, size, and depth. Lorenzo Brown ( guard, top 40~), Richard Howell (forward, top 75~), G/F Scott Wood (guard/small forward, top 100~) and Deshawn Painter (forward/center, top 75~) were the most heralded players of the class and could all see major minutes this year. Lowe also added a seven footer in Jordan Vandenberg from Australia and a local small forward from Athens Drive Josh Davis. It was essential that Lowe land a strong, deep recruiting class and he delivered.

While next season will certainly be a challenge, the youth and talent on this year’s roster along with a commitment from Ryan Harrow for 2010 does give me hope. Being somewhat of an “old school” guy as far as basketball recruiting who hates “star rankings” and trusts Brick Oettinger more than anyone else, I was pleased to see Brick have Harrow at #47 overall with a comment that the ranking was too low in a recent ACC Sports Journal. Harrow has had a great summer on the AAU circuit and I was able to catch one of his games over Memorial Day in Reynolds Coliseum. He was bigger, faster and more athletic than I expected. Not to mention, he exceeded my already high expectations in terms of ball handling, shooting, scoring, etc…He is everything you want in a point guard and more.

Having only seen Harrow once, this may be a bit of a stretch to say at this point. But he reminded me a lot of how I felt about Julius Hodge in high school. Hodge was the perfect recruit for Herb Sendek at the time. He was going to make an immediate impact, could dominate the basketball, produce points to end one of our dreaded scoring droughts, and most importantly he wasn’t going to go pro after 1-2 years because of his naturally skinny frame. Hodge was an immediate program changer. Well, Harrow made the same impression the day I saw him in Reynolds. Different size obviously and different positions (though Hodge did handle the ball a lot), but Harrow can produce points in a variety of ways, he will make an immediate impact (J. Gonzalez will be a senior when Harrow is a freshman), and he has the same skinny frame that means he isn’t likely “one and done”.

Here is a link to Joe Giglio of the N&O with some information about the incoming recruiting class and some quotes from Coach Lowe:

Painter, a 6-9 power forward, orginally signed with Florida but was released from his LOI and chose the Wolfpack in May. Lowe called Painter’s decision a “great break.”

“It’s a great opportunity to get in on a player like that so late,” Lowe said.

As for the difference between Painter and Richard Howell, a fellow incoming freshman forward, Lowe said Painter was “longer and bouncier.”

“Richard can face up and shoot it a little better,” Lowe added.

Joe Giglio interviewed Lee Fowler yesterday about the state of the program. This is a definite must read with some very interesting quotes from Lowe and Fowler:

He (Lowe) and Fowler are on the same page.

“The expectation is always to win, but you have to be realistic,” Lowe said. “You also have to have the right people in place and the right pieces. Sometimes time is a factor.”

Fowler said he hasn’t put any kind of timeline on Lowe, whose contract runs through the 2012-13 season. Fowler said both sides understand the expectations at a school that has won two national titles and shares a backyard with national powers North Carolina and Duke.

“We should finish in the top half of the league, at the minimum, and get to the tournament every year,” Fowler said. “I think with the great class he’s bringing in, we’re going to have a great chance to do that, if not this year, then in the near future.”

09-10 Basketball AD & Department Basketball Recruiting General Sidney Lowe

70 Responses to NC State Basketball in the News

  1. old13 06/19/2009 at 12:20 PM #

    “I hate to defend Fowler but he did say that a top half finish is the minimum goal. That means we should never finish lower than 6th, which is pretty reasonable. We are going to have rebuilding years where a 6th place finish is a reasonable expectation. However, we should always be rebuilding towards ACC title contention.”

    I take exception to the above, especially the highlighted statement. IMO we should build once (already done now?) and never be rebuilding, but always be reloading. Expectations should always be a top three finish in the ACC while strongly contending for the ACC championship and a run into at least the Sweet Sixteen of the NCAAT with consistently higher finishes. Anything less and we’re settling for also-rans IMO.

  2. choppack1 06/19/2009 at 12:43 PM #

    It’s funny – while they are both asking for time and making excuses – it begs a couple of questions:

    1> Why would an AD hire a coach who thinks won’t be able to produce his laughable “goals” – Top half of conference and NCAA tournament birth – until year 5.

    2> If the previous coach was doing so well that he didn’t deserve to be on the hotseat – why on earth does it take his replacement 5 years to get back to a tournament w/ 32 at large bids?

    I’m w/ BJD – watch out when these guys are already lowering expectations for this year. Fowler’s pretty clear – no harm will be done to a coach on his watch unless his daughter plays for the team or his hand is forced.

    I do think that Harrow may be a special player, but I’m not getting my hopes up until I see him wearing a red jersey w/ NC State on it and I see who is surrounding him.

  3. MP 06/19/2009 at 12:47 PM #

    Here are my thoughts on the article & comments:

    I am very very very excited to hear that Coach Lowe has spent any meaningful amount of time with Tom Izzo and Tubby Smith. The more the better. I also have to tip my hat to Lowe for his confident comments about future recruiting.

    I hate to use the word hate. So I will say that I extremely dislike Lee Fowler more and more every time I hear or read anything that comes out of his mouth.

  4. 61Packer 06/19/2009 at 12:50 PM #

    As long as Lee Fouler and Sidney Lowe remain on the Wolfpack payroll, my expectation for NC State basketball is that it will, at best, remain mired in mediocrity. All the information I’ve read in the papers and on this website, along with what I’ve seen for the past 3 seasons, does not give me one substantial reason to believe otherwise.

    We have few if any really good players returning except for Tracy Smith, and I’m not convinced that our new recruits, even if as good as touted, will be able to make an immediate impact under a coaching staff that so far seems just as lost with or without good talent.

    And without any annoying timelines or expectations that might speed up improvement, we’re going to continue to be a basketball program that will continue to wait until next year.

    Our football program has a coach who isn’t going to show up in a red blazer every time he’s expected to, and he says very little. However, the proof of his work is out there on the field, and we’ve seen it (and I like it). Conversely, our basketball program has been nothing but growl for the past three years. I consider all this recent chatter from the coach to be just more of the same.

    Are we going to finish 10th? Are we going to finish 8-8? Are we going to make the NCAAs? Questions like that need to be replaced with just this one: “Will we be competitive in the ACC next year?” No one wants to ask that one, because we don’t want to hear the answer.

  5. packalum44 06/19/2009 at 12:51 PM #

    When Lowe was hired I expected to have a better program than what Herb achieved in at least 4 years. PERIODDDDDDD. That is a LONG time for a PATHETIC and SUFFERING fan base. I’m SICK and TIRED of WAITING!!!!!

    Fowler can’t fire Lowe because it represents his STUPIDITY and ABSOLUTE FAILURE as an AD. Sean Miller and Calipari represent 2 coaches who landed better recruiting classes than ours in less than a month after being hired! Head Coaches are SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT than a single top-50 PG that it is RECKLESS and DETRIMENTAL to think otherwise.

    If he fails, the ONLY way Lowe goes next season is IF Fowler is gone first. Fowler would let him stick around for a friggin CENTURY. He really, really, really would. He is a VIRUS to the athletics of NC State University and the only way for us to get well is to be rid of him. He literally makes me physically ill, he’s easily taken several months off my life.

  6. packplantpath 06/19/2009 at 12:57 PM #

    Look, Fowler is an excuse machine, we all know that. He always has one at the ready for any situation. Since we all know his perpetual excuse of “fucilities” is clearly a non-starter in this case, he is using HWSNBN’s players as an excuse. Move along, nothing to see here.

  7. nycfan 06/19/2009 at 1:05 PM #

    BJD, I guess it depends on what we define as a major level program. No established elite program or program with a solid foothold now aspiring to be elite (by which I mean a nationally relevant program that is almost never part of the bubble conversation but always part of the “how deep can they go” and will they challenge for a Final Four berth at least every 4-5 years) would accept that, IMO.

    But at this point, even as an outsider I think I can say without offending anyone that State’s hoops program is not among the elite and hasn’t been since about 1990. So is it aspiring to be elite? I can only assume that deep down, that is what Lowe aspires to, but the public statements sure don’t sound like it.

    I know coaches always have to engage in managing expectations just for self-preservation, but what I hear from Lowe and Fowler seems more expansive than that — it sounds like rationalization why Lowe failed to motivate or develop the left-over guys, as though it is not fair to expect Lowe to connect with or develop inherited players (or that no one else has ever won with some one else’s players). This argument rings hollow in particular regarding Costner/Fells/Ferguson/McCauley to me because they played most of their careers for Lowe.

    OK, I can accept that upperclassmen left by a prior regime might harbor resentments and never buy what the new guy is selling. I also know that some coaches have no qualms about throwing those upperclassmen overboard (K after his first season at dook, Mack Brown at UNC), taking early lumps in order to build something with “their guys” from the outset. But we’re talking about guys who were freshmen and sophomores when Lowe arrived, who had played limited playing time and who expressed a lot of optimism about basketball being fun again. And yet we are told (or left to infer) that Lowe had no obligation to develop these guys (or cut bait) and expectations to the contrary are too demanding. Lowe can only be expected to develop guys he personally recruited (but we also can’t count his early recruiting classes against him, so no data on player development counts yet either).

    I dunno. I’m not a State fan but I personally think the ACC is more fun and healthier when State is a relevant team. And I can’t believe you guys are basically being told, sorry, those first three years didn’t count, we were just learning on the job and you know, killing time until we could purge the system and START building in YEAR 4. And, oh, by the way, the goal of three years of wheel-spinning and a 4th year reboot is to finish in the top half of the conference and make the NCAAT. Really?? Seriously??

    OTOH, I’m no seer. Maybe this is somthing that could work. After all, didn’t that guy I’m not supposed to name work on that same time-line (though Year 5 was a bit of an OOOPS! and then those top half ACC/NCAAT seasons came rolling in without much hope of challenging for a championship locally or nationally, maybe, but you consistently got to be involved in the first weekend of the NCAAT for 5 years).

    But from my outsider’s POV, I have thought Lowe is awfully prone to excuses and rationalizations in his first three seasons and it seems to me that nothing has yet changed. He is basically starting this season by saying “you know all those guys who just graduated or left, well they all sucked, so what the heck was I supposed to do? change the culture? make them better? that’s not my job, my job is to coach guys I want to coach and now I just need you to back off and give me time to coach them.” It rubs me the wrong way as an ACC/college hoops fan; it would piss me off if one of those players were my kid or if I were emotionally invested in NC State’s success.

    I absolutely HATED that same kind of thing from John Bunting — I never doubted the man’s love for UNC or his overall integrity, but he engaged in endless rationalizations and blame games and I always disliked him as a coach because of it. (Losing consistently just made it that much more demoralizing to have him around.)

    It’s not often that fans are asked to WTNY the summer before THIS year begins. And heaven help Ryan Harrow for all the hopes, dreams and expectations being heaped on him as a freshman PG in year 5. I always felt sorry for Ishua Benjamin b/c I thought he was a great kid who got chewed up by those kind of expectations/desperate desire for a savior at State.

    Sorry for rant. I try not to be too negative (and comparing anyone to John Bunting in my book is a serious negative) as a guest on other fan sites, but there is my unvarnished POV.

  8. Daily Update 06/19/2009 at 1:07 PM #

    packalum44: I would argue that keeping Sendek to get Julius Hodge ended up working out for us. It directly led to five straight NCAA appearances. If Sendek is fired, then Julius Hodge doesn’t come to NC State and who knows when/if we ever make it back to the NCAA tournament? The mistake IMO wasn’t not firing Sendek after year 5. It was not capitalizing on the program’s success which was almost solely due to Hodge coming to State by upgrading the head coaching position after year 7 or year 8. I was of the opinion that Sendek should have been replaced after year 4, but backed off in year 5 because I guessed/knew how much of an impact Hodge would have on NC State. Again, he was the #1 recruit in the country in terms of what NC State needed.

    Maybe it would have worked out better if Sendek had been canned and Hodge ended up at Lville? But if you would have known that getting Hodge puts you in the NCAA tournament the following season, then keeping Sendek was a no brainer. Now you could certainly argue that Fowler got lucky and the that it worked out, but I think it is safe to say that the decision did work out in the short term. We just failed in improving the program after the decision to keep Sendek/Hodge was made.

    I purposely brought up the Hodge/Harrow comparison because I think we are clearly headed for a similar scenario to where we were after Sendek’s year 5. It will be interesting to see how it plays out and it will be interesting to see if Harrow keeps developing.

    Remember that Hodge didn’t become a legit top 10 player until about this same point in time between his junior and senior seasons. He was relatively unknown heading into the summer AAU scene. Harrow seems to have moved up to top 25 status/borderline McD AA and he plays a position that could have a major impact on the program if he is surrounded with a lot talent.

    I have only seen Harrow one time, so I can’t with any bit of certainty predict he will have the impact of the most important NC State player of the post-Valvano era. But the comparison/speculation is at least valid and worth thinking about to prepare for next off-season.

  9. Alpha Wolf 06/19/2009 at 1:11 PM #

    I can remember when NC State basketball really mattered.

    Playing the Wolfpack at home or on the road meant a tough game, even for the greatest teams in the country.

    Now NC State hoops matter less and less, even to its own fans.

    This year doesn’t need to just show improvement, it needs to show some LIFE.

  10. bradleyb123 06/19/2009 at 1:23 PM #

    ^ “And if his first 2/3 seasons don’t count whatsoever, and he should be entitled to 5 or 6 years before he receives ANY level of scrutiny”

    Not saying Sid doesn’t deserve any scrutiny. But how about saying, ok, you’ve not done a good job so far. But it’s unrealistic to expect a team full of freshmen to finish above .500 in the ACC and make the NCAAT. So as this year progresses, let’s see some improvement. Next year, we’ll set realistic goals based on the players we have on the roster.

    That seems better than setting Sid up for failure by requiring something that is quite possibly unattainable by this group, this year.

  11. bradleyb123 06/19/2009 at 1:25 PM #

    ^ “Fire Lowe after this season Ryan Harrow doesn’t come here, possibly other guys transfer out, and then were stuck with at least 3 more years of 10th – 12th place finishes while the new coach rebuilds”

    EXACTLY! Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner, Johnny!

  12. tvp1 06/19/2009 at 1:27 PM #

    nycfan: AWESOME post and absolutely on the money. Thanks very much for that outsider’s perspective.

  13. TomCat 06/19/2009 at 1:28 PM #

    Sid Lowe, million dollar recruiting pitch (minority coach with NBA credentials) with 10 cents of coaching ability…. After 4 few years of underachieving & inability to convert talent to results on the court… the shine rubs of that smooth sales job. Then what? For all that is holy, when can this exercise in mediocrity end?

  14. packalum44 06/19/2009 at 1:33 PM #

    nycfan: Finally someone gets it! Thanks for that objective and articulate analysis. You have PROFOUND insight. Do you mind if I send that post to Joe Giglio, Lowe, Fowler, and Woodard?!

  15. Daily Update 06/19/2009 at 1:38 PM #

    nycfan, to her credit, has “gotten it” for a long time.

  16. bradleyb123 06/19/2009 at 1:38 PM #

    To me, rebuilding means tearing down the old, and replacing it with something new.

    Isn’t that exactly what Sid has finally been able to do? We lost four (or was it five?) players from last year’s team, and we’ve gained six new players. There. The team is rebuilt. We haven’t even seen how the new “engine” has performed, and we’re already complaining about it.

    Someone mentioned that we need to “reload” as opposed to “rebuild”. Once we have an elite team, then that will be the case. Right now, we need to rebuild. And we are. Once we experience some success, recruiting will get that much better, and why wouldn’t it. Sid pulled in a top-15 recruiting class after LOUSY results on the court since he’s been here. Imagine the big fish he would pull in if we actually had winning teams the last three years!

    I’m as frustrated as everyone else that it has taken this long, but Sid is getting things going now. How about we give it a shot, at least this year, and THEN talk about what Sid did during the season.

    Like someone else said, if we threw Sid away now, we’d lose recruits, players would probably transfer. We’d have a MUCH bigger mess than we have now. And unless you have reason to believe we’d shell out the big bucks for a PROVEN coach, then we’ll end up with someone that we just have to HOPE for the best with. Since Sidney has some pretty solid players coming in, why not let HIM be that guy NOW? Why take what MIGHT be a pretty solid team, and throw it away with no real promise for something better?

  17. bradleyb123 06/19/2009 at 1:39 PM #

    ^ “After 4 few years of underachieving & inability to convert talent to results on the court… the shine rubs of that smooth sales job. Then what? For all that is holy, when can this exercise in mediocrity end?”

    THREE years. And he underachieved with mostly HERB’S underachieving players.

    AFTER this year, I might agree with you. But not now.

  18. BJD95 06/19/2009 at 1:43 PM #

    The fact that NC State ran a grossly incompetent search is not a valid reason to never make another coaching change. It’s an irrefutable reason to make sure Jed never runs the search again.

  19. nycfan 06/19/2009 at 1:45 PM #

    BTW, I do think that Sid is a quality x/o coach and he is becoming a strong recruiter. But he has not yet shown himself to have any idea how to manage a program — including, IMO, dithering over the last few seasons (esp. last year) whether to chuck the upperclassmen and build for the future or try to make the best of what he had.

    I think the seemingly random player personnel/substitution decisions last season were a pretty strong sign that Lowe did not have (or was not able to stick with) a firm plan for how to run the team over the course of the season (play underclassment to rebuild or go all out to work with the best talent available on the roster to win as much as possible). And so the team was stuck in limbo, not really going all in to develop for this year and not committed to winning last year. Costner and all clearly had their own baggage (although I *thought* Grant was at the heart of some of that mess), but it is kind of hard to blame them for not buying into Lowe’s system when it is impossible to discern what system Lowe is selling.

    Still, there is little doubt in my mind as to the core of Lowe’s basketball knowledge and the other flaws in his coaching/management are capable of being learned on the job and fixed. The question is how much time can you reasonably be expected to give a guy for on-the-job-training without positive results? And maybe Lowe’s answer is that that clock just now started ticking …

  20. packalum44 06/19/2009 at 1:46 PM #

    Daily Update: From my understanding nycfan is a female and I think I have a crush!

  21. NCSU4ever 06/19/2009 at 2:01 PM #

    My take on Sid as a coach:

    x/o = Fair
    Recruiting= Proven he can be an excellent recruiter
    People management/motivation = ?

    There is no doubt some situations were handled poorly regarding Hickson that caused a complete team meltdown that evidently followed over to the next season.
    As Head coach it was Lowes responsibility to handle that and he failed.
    Has he/Can he improve? The jury is still out on that I want to see how this years squad plays before I make that call. If guys are still underachieving and chemistry and morale are problems. I say get Lowe out. But from what Ive heard in interviews from Lowe, some of the new recruits, and from returning players like CJ Williams, I believe there is reason to believe Lowe has turned a corner in dealing with the players.

  22. BJD95 06/19/2009 at 2:16 PM #

    NYCfan (who is a she, by the way) just hit a grand slam homerun. It’s easier for outsiders to see it and analyze objectively because they don’t have the same emotional attachment.

    In my line of work, I come into contact with a slew of knowledgeable, avid ACC basketball fans who cheer for other teams. And they pretty much uniformly share NYCfan’s POV (but don’t state it so eloquently).

  23. MatSci94 06/19/2009 at 2:51 PM #

    “I think the seemingly random player personnel/substitution decisions last season were a pretty strong sign that Lowe did not have (or was not able to stick with) a firm plan for how to run the team over the course of the season”

    This is my biggest disappointment with last year. I know we are not a ‘relevant’ program, and have work to do to get there. What is the roadmap? How are we going to get there? I’m actually ok with almost any result for next year, if there is real improvement. I don’t mean just one more win or +1 spot away from the bottom of the league. I want to be able to say, “This is a better team.” Then, the following year, the same thing. If player X had an ok year with some freshman mistakes, he should be better next year. My frustration with the previous regime was that next year was always going to be “the year,” and then never was.

  24. choppack1 06/19/2009 at 2:54 PM #

    NYCfan – fantanstic post – you’ve notice something, but have articulated it much better than I did:

    “But from my outsider’s POV, I have thought Lowe is awfully prone to excuses and rationalizations in his first three seasons and it seems to me that nothing has yet changed. ”

    I agree 100%. Since he’s come to NC State – Sidney has not lost one game. We either didn’t execute our stuff, or we didn’t hit our shots…whatever. And now, “well, these weren’t my players.”

    I think the comparison to Bunting is a very accurate one. I see plenty of comparisons there – and unfortunately, the results are pretty close – w/ the exception that Bunting improved upon his predecessor’s record.

    We’ll see – Lowe wasn’t dealt a great hand, but he has certainly hasn’t played the cards he was dealt ideally.

    The good news is that in basketball great recruiting can make up for mediocre management – and well, he appears to be improving our talent. Hopefully, I’ll finally see a team that plays w/ talent and poise – but it’s irrational to expect it.

  25. bradleyb123 06/19/2009 at 2:54 PM #

    ^ “The fact that NC State ran a grossly incompetent search is not a valid reason to never make another coaching change. It’s an irrefutable reason to make sure Jed never runs the search again.”

    Agreed, 100%. But we don’t have a reason to make a coaching change… yet.

    I do want Fowler gone by the time we do, though. If it comes to that.

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