Fox Sports places Coach Lowe on hotseat (again)

I am sure that some coo-coo for coco puffs ‘hater’ of SFN will somehow blame us for this article, but please note that we are only linking to stories in the national press while generally stating the obvious. There is not much that we can do about the fact that a real world revolves out there whether some of you psychopaths wished that you could create your own reality and not have to deal with the real world.

Fox Sports came out with their listing of College Basketball “Coaches on the Hotseat” today and our own Sidney Lowe is listed as the coach on the #2 hottest seat in the country. (LOL! If only these morons knew how things worked in Raleigh.)

Sidney hotseat

This year’s list has a decided Atlantic Coast Conference & local flavor; and, the irony that Coach Lowe and Dereck Whittenburg occupy two of the top five spots on the list won’t be lost on any Wolfpacker. Included on the list are the following:

(1) Jerry Wainwright, DePaul
(2) Sidney Lowe, NC State

(5) Dereck Whittenburg, Fordham

The Rams coach has virtually nothing going for him these days. He lost his second-best player, Mike Moore, and his best player, Jio Fontan, is leaving despite the school’s flat-out refusal to release him. Fordham finished 12th in the A-10 two years ago and was 3-25 overall and 1-15 in league play last season.

(6) Matt Doherty (former UNC-CH player and Head Coach)

Things haven’t exactly worked out well since he was forced out of Chapel Hill. Doherty needs to win this season after a 46-74 mark in four seasons — including a 9-21 campaign and a last-place finish in C-USA last season.

(7) Pat Kennedy, Towson (former Florida State coach)
(9) Jeff Lebo, Auburn (former UNC-CH player)
(10) Paul Hewitt, Georgia Tech
(11) Bobby Gonzalez, Seton Hall (former UVa assistant)

These lists rile my up sometimes; particularly lists that can be influenced by Jeff Goodman, who knows ACC Basketball so well that he said the following before last season.

Three ACC coaches — Maryland’s Gary Williams, N.C. State’s Sidney Lowe and Florida State’s Leonard Hamilton — are feeling a little heat to win. My guess is at least one of them is history after the season. But which one?

Ahhh…how about none of them, Jeff?

Good old Goodman. The man who must run around with pictures of Herb Sendek in his wallet; because – in case you did not realize this – Herb Sendek coached at NC State. No really. You see, if you ever see anything written by Jeff Goodman related to NC State, then you will undoubtedly be reminded that Herb Sendek was once our coach. No kidding. If the guy knows anything else about NC State Basketball then I would be shocked, because – even before the 2009-2010 season Goodman still can’t get past 2006. In today’s article we get the following:

Sidney Lowe, N.C. State – It’s one of those “be careful what you wish for” deals. Wolfpack fans ran Herb Sendek out of Raleigh despite five consecutive NCAA tournament appearances. Lowe is 51-46 in his three seasons without an NCAA tournament bid and this is a make or break year.

Come on folks. You can remember. Don’t you remember how those evil NC State fans just happened to ‘run off’ a coach who chose to leave with multiple years remaining on his contract? And, how much of a coincidence was it that the coach was returning only one scholarship player who had any college basketball experience? Isn’t it amazing that after six years of ‘pressure’ from those mean NC State fans that Coach Sendek just happened to coincidentally CHOOSE to leave prior to the one particular year he had nobody returning?

(This is where I have to link this entry that gets me so friggin angry that I cannot even bring myself to expand my comments. But, of course, does anyone doubt WHY or how NC State fans got the brand that we have with the stenographers, uh, I mean reporters in the media).

But, I digress. Sorry.

One thing that is nice about much of Jeff Goodman’s stuff is that he saves me a lot of time coming up with new work. Since all he does is regurgitate so much of the same information, it allows us to do the same. Check out my insightful comments from this entry last year.

SFN Note:
Allow me to remind you where Jeff Goodman stands on his opinions of NC State:

“Whether it’s Sidney Lowe, Rick Barnes or John Calipari, it doesn’t really matter. There’s no way N.C. State will be able to topple the powers-that-be on Tobacco Road.” — Jeff Goodman, MSNBC

I don’t know how it escapes so many people’s radar and conversations…but, Jeff Goodman was listed as an author at PackPride.com in the early years of the site. Sometimes he will blog some insightful information that you don’t get from some other national coverage – like last year’s preseason blog entry about Farnold Degand.

But, far too often Goodman goes the confrontational direction with WolfpackNation. It perplexes me how often he seeks to criticize NC State’s fans and try to drum up controversy in columns that he authors even in non-controversial times – like these absurd comments about Coach Lowe approaching a ‘hot seat’ in just his third season and with fantastic recruiting momentum building for the foreseeable future.

I know that part of the source of this is his huge love and respect for Herb Sendek, but it doesn’t make the unprofessional behavior justifiable. How was this guy ever an author for an NC State website when he continuously proves that so many of his views about NC State are so grossly disconnected from reality?

See how easy that is? Fits PERFECTLY! Thanks, Jeff!

I am not arguing the fact that the time for Coach Lowe to produce on the court has arrived. But, Coach Lowe’s seat is not so unbearably hot that only an NCAA Tournament appearance can save his job. Many fans will argue with me; but, if this season’s particularly young team shows major progress in fundamentals and defense while earning at least an NIT berth then I believe that the recruitment of Ryan Harrow (and who knows who else) will be enough to provide Coach Lowe a fifth season of opportunity.

Today I prefer to focus on the dynamics of this list and not focus on setting standards for Coach Lowe. With that said, another version of the list – this one by choosing one coach per conference – can be seen by clicking here.

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114 Responses to Fox Sports places Coach Lowe on hotseat (again)

  1. anchower 06/01/2009 at 10:56 PM #

    Think Lowe could handle Lance Stephenson?

  2. 61Packer 06/01/2009 at 11:18 PM #

    If NCSU won’t get rid of Mary Easley, whose seat is much hotter than Sidney Lowe’s, fat chance they’ll get rid of Sidney either. If the Wolfpack makes it to the post-season next year, Lowe can probably write his contract extension.

    This is an interesting article but really it’s just a list of BAD Division One basketall coaches who will probably always be BAD Division One basketball coaches. It didn’t take a genius to figure this one out. Do the numbers.

    Pat Kennedy is probably the exception because he was once a really good ACC coach but he’s way past his prime now and is hanging on at a school that isn’t ever going to make any impact in Division One basketball. Paul Hewitt isn’t a bad Division One coach but he sure isn’t a very good one, either. His ability to recruit well at a mid to lower level ACC basketball school keeps him around.

    Sidney Lowe, in my opinion, is a bad Division One college coach. However, he’ll probably hang on here a while longer if he can recruit halfway decently and stay above the .500 mark in overall wins, irregardless of his ACC mark as long as he can stay out of last place. With an adoring Wolfpack administration, a perpetual cupcake nonconference home schedule, plus a mediocre league right now that requires only 16 conference games a season, I believe Lowe will be around for some time.

  3. howlie 06/01/2009 at 11:51 PM #

    pfftttttt

  4. newt 06/02/2009 at 12:22 AM #

    Pat Kennedy was also an assistant to Valvano at Iona and took over the head coaching position when V left for NC State.

  5. Dr. BadgerPack 06/02/2009 at 3:40 AM #

    61Packer– Question? If Hewitt is good, and Lowe is bad in your eyes how do you differentiate the W/L records based on assembled talent in the past 3 years?

  6. kyjelly 06/02/2009 at 7:56 AM #

    He has an over 50% record against the likes of central,at&t ,winston salem shall I go on?

  7. Daily Update 06/02/2009 at 8:23 AM #

    Adam Gold and his sidekick Joe Ovies( NC State graduate mind you) stirring the pot again today claiming there is a portion of our fan base that wants Sidney Lowe to fail so that we can get rid of Lee Fowler. They mentioned blogs and were obviously referring to the Internet and probably specifically Statefansnation.

    I know a lot of the NC State “nut jobs” that Gold and Ovies were referring too and I don’t know a single one that would sacrifice a good basketball season (NIT or better) for Lee Fowler’s head. We all want Sidney Lowe to succeed.

    I know some people here know Ovies, but it would be nice if he would have stepped up and defended us. Instead he just let Gold say whatever he wanted and for the most part seemed to agree with Gold. Gold made a point that all fan bases have a lunatic fringe, but that somehow how our lunatic fringe is different from all others.

    The only thing different about our fan base is that we have been subjected to horrific results for two decades. Has that happened at Maryland who has a national title in basketball and multiple ACC titles in football? How about Wake Forest who was ranked #1 in the nation in basketball last year and made a BCS Bowl game two years ago?

    In Lee Fowler’s 9th year, we had our 4th losing football season in the last 5 years for the first time since the 1950s and set a record for conference losses in basketball. While other programs produce results, we hit historic low points yet somehow our fanbase is different???

    I guess it is too much to expect local, professional members of the media who have been in this market for many years to be up to speed on facts like I just provided. Unfortunately for NC State, the major topic of discussion for members of the media always seems to be the fans.

    There has still not been a single member of the media to ever dig into the results of the NC State athletics department under the leadership of Lee Fowler and Oblinger. What a great topic for a show for Gold and Ovies. Ovies has all the information gathered for him already. Why not do a comparison of the results our fans have produced in the Fowler era compared to the results Fowler and Oblinger have produced?

    It is such a great topic…but Gold would never go there because he knows Fowler personally.

  8. Girlfriend in a Coma 06/02/2009 at 8:38 AM #

    “NIT or better”? You can’t be serious. Please tell me you don’t actually think an NIT season is a “good” season.

  9. Daily Update 06/02/2009 at 8:55 AM #

    I don’t think it is “good” in the sense that we should throw a parade. But I do think a case can be made that with an NIT season combined with a strong recruiting class(Harrow + two top 75 players) that Lowe should return for a 5th year. Unfortunately in Fowler’s 10th year as our AD, he led us into a total rebuild of the basketball program (despite him telling us that because Sendek was building the program slowly that when it got there it would stay there). So “good” is relative to our current situation (ironically enough almost the exact same situation we were in when Lee Fowler took over the reigns 9 years ago.)

  10. Rick 06/02/2009 at 9:00 AM #

    “Just to point this out, Lowe’s winning % is over 50% (much better than TOB) ”

    Anytime I see this I immediately put the poster on “should be ignored” list

  11. StateFans 06/02/2009 at 9:22 AM #

    I have personally spoken to Adam Gold over the last three months and could not have been more clear how much I wanted Sidney to succeed. If they were at all inferring that the people at this blog/website felt completely opposite from what I explicitly shared with him then they are being significantly disingenuous and intentionally misrepresenting reality. That would be very disappointing.

  12. VaWolf82 06/02/2009 at 9:26 AM #

    I’m not trying to be an ass

    Your efforts have not been successful thus far.

  13. 92Packer 06/02/2009 at 9:31 AM #

    Amen, Daily….I’ve been listening to the Morning Show for I guess two years now, and it seems every discussion around State basketball somehow turns into a discussion about the fringe fan base. We get painted as a base unlike any other group of fans under similar circumstances. Oh, wait, how many others are there that are a stones throw from two programs that have consistently been top national programs for three decades or more and whose most significant win was 22 years ago(’87 ACC Tournament Champions). As a ’92 graduate, I understand the frustration and the over-the-top reactions of that percentage (whatever it is) of vocal fans that Adam and Joe seem to always here from. However, let’s first consider how other bases react under similar circumstances (if they exist) before perpetuing this notion that State fans are unlike any others in our behavior.

  14. tvp1 06/02/2009 at 9:31 AM #

    You are right on the money about Goodman. He has reached Gregg Doyell territory.

  15. tvp1 06/02/2009 at 9:32 AM #

    “TOB’s record should be MUCH better in the ACC than Lowe’s record is.”

    And…it is.

  16. Daily Update 06/02/2009 at 9:32 AM #

    Statefans: Gold never mentioned this website specifically, but what other blog/website could he have been talking about? He said something about NC State fans are too internet savvy and that people who are happy about their sports teams don’t start blogs.

    Also, he didn’t say that people from a blog wanted him to fail, but did mention a large percentage of our fanbase wants him to fail so that Lee Fowler would be fired. He sort of grouped the fans that wanted Lowe to fail into the conversation and then made the comments about starting blogs and being too internet savvy. So to be clear, Gold never specifically insinuated that anyone from this blog wants Lowe to fail.

    He also made the comment back tracking after a commercial break when he tried to explain he wasn’t trying to poke “NC State fan” that “we will hear what we want to hear” no matter what he really says then they changed subjects.

    I was furious listening to him like he is somehow an expert on NC State sports and furious that Ovies doesn’t seem to get it either. He could at least put everything in the proper context by pointing out our historic low points currently being reached compared to our peers in the ACC.

    If NC State fans are truly different, then Gold would have to compare other BCS programs that haven’t won a conference title in basketball and football the last two decades. Comparing us to Maryland or Wake fans would be unfair because those fans have had entirely different levels of success to deal with the last two decades.

    Heck, that would be an interesting topic for one of his shows. Maybe Ovies will get the idea from reading this post and help lead the discussion. How do we compare to fans of BCS programs that haven’t won a conference title in either sport in the last two decades? If I had to guess, then the major difference between us and those other BCS programs is that “NC State fan” has been setting records in terms of attendance and financial support the last decade.

    At some point, will there be anyone in the local media to dig deep into the subject of NC State sports, Lee Fowler, and the “lunatic fringe” to figure out the reality of the situation?

  17. Daily Update 06/02/2009 at 9:39 AM #

    92packer: Totally agree.

  18. VaWolf82 06/02/2009 at 9:47 AM #

    your words don’t mean anything.

    Then why are you wasting your time here? And speaking of wasting time, why do you post the same stuff here as you do as “Reverend” at PackPride?

  19. BJD95 06/02/2009 at 9:50 AM #

    1) A certain imbecile won’t be joining us anymore. This isn’t the PackPride monkey boards.

    2) Goodman is an asshole.

    3) Local sports talk radio likes to stir up shit for ratings. Sadly, that is just how the business model operates. Save yourself the blood pressure elevation and don’t listen to it. It’s never, ever going to get any better.

    4) If there’s one thing that EVERYONE needs to get over (on all sides of the Lowe issue) is using Lowe’s success/failure as a barometer of whether parting ways with HWSNBN was the right decision. The pertinent question is and was as follows: “Is HWSNBN the right coach to lead NC State for the next five-to-ten years?” If the answer is no, and that you think NC State basketball can do better than a B-minus, then you move on. Obviously, there is no guarantee that you will do better – especially after a laughably incompetent coaching search such as the one Lee Fowler led. MOST MAJOR D-1 COACHES ULTIMATELY FAIL. Look around the major conferences – would you give most of them a grade above B-minus? But you have to make moves if you are ever going to find the right coach to elevate the program where we all want it to be. It may take 2 moves. It might even take 3. If managed poorly, it might never happen. So, to the Jeff Goodmans of the world – Sidney Lowe’s failure or success is completely irrelevant to how the former coach was graded. And on the flip side, there’s no reason to desperately cling to Lowe as if only his personal success could ever validate our criticisms of Sendek.

    5) My first piece of writing for the old StateFans was a “basketball barometer” article on DePaul. And now DePaul and NC State are side by side again. Misty watercolor memories…

  20. 92Packer 06/02/2009 at 9:52 AM #

    Not winning creates frustration, which leads to negativity in a passionate fan base. That I do not doubt. My angst is when it is implied that ONLY this group reacts this way, given similar circumstances. I don’t believe that.

  21. ryebread 06/02/2009 at 10:26 AM #

    While we sometimes disagree on other topics, I have to wholeheartedly agree with BJD’s points 3 and 4 in the post two up from this one.

    Specifically, sports talk radio is just about mucking up junk for ratings. No one (outside of the receiving school’s fan base) really will listen to a collective circle jerk. Even the most ardent of fans will eventually bore of this (see the HWSNBN radio show). Now, fire off some controversial statements about a school’s fan base and you’ll have 1/2 of them listening to call in and refute. You’ll then have the other fan bases calling in to pile on. All these calls will show that people are listening and you as a talk radio announcer will get a raise and an extension. My suggestion is to stop feeding the trolls and stop listening entirely.

    Also, for those who just don’t get it, SL’s performance is a totally separate issue from whether HWSNBN was the right coach for NC State. Heck, many of the early issues SL faced were PROOF that HWSNBN needed to move on. The former coach was smart — he knew he was boxed into a corner (system players recruited for a faulty system who weren’t highly ranked) and got out of dodge when his stock was high. I would contend that any could would have struggled given what they inherited and that HWSNBN would have trended downwards until he was fired had he stayed.

    Regardless, SL is the new coach and this is a new chapter. We’re now about to start the 4th year of this chapter and it reflects what SL has built. Whether he succeeds or fails from this point forward is really entirely on him.

    I’m really, really, really hoping that he does succeed as I think 99.99% of NC State fans are. For the media who can’t seem to get it, our administration is not proactive enough to correct after one bad season. It’s not like one bad season would create a scenario where any of our coaches would get the hook (see Tarantini for all the support you need). Given NC State’s passion for basketball and the fact that we move at a glacier like pace with personnel decisions, anyone who thinks that the fans are pulling against any of our basketball coaches is the true lunatic.

    As for LF and SL, I don’t believe the two are linked. There’s a significant body of work that suggests that LF isn’t the man for this job. The fan base has made it’s opinion with respect to him (about 85% of us view his performance as poor). SL’s record really has nothing to do with that. Fair or unfair, there’s nothing that LF can do with the NC State fanbase at this point to change the animosity that is quite frankly deserved. When you routinely insult your customer, underperform and then routinely make a fool of yourself in the media (cougars anyone?), then you deserve what you get.

    I do think that LF needs to move on as quickly as possible. A competent AD needs to be found and this person needs to be given the time and resources need to succeed. That move needs to happen now — for the health of all of our athletic programs, not just men’s basketball.

  22. Rufftown Wolf 06/02/2009 at 10:28 AM #

    Herb leaving was like breaking up with a girlfriend you’ve had too long. It was mutual. Both sides were sick of each other and wanted a change. It like the old saying it doesn’t matter how fine she was someone somewhere is sick of her sh*t.

    Lowe will forever be tied to Herb b/c he replaced him. It’s just the nature of sports. So to act like it is unheard of is lets see, unrealistic.

    Lowe may be on the hot seat. Will he stay there, probably not. The talent he has coming in and on the radar will equal more wins. It is all how you look at things. Is Lowe a bad coach? Heck no, to get that bunch to be competitive and win as many as they did is proof that once he gets top level talent there will be happy times in Raleigh again. THEN THERE WILL BE A SHORTAGE OF STUFF TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.

  23. wufpup76 06/02/2009 at 10:38 AM #

    Haven’t visited in a little while, and the first thing I see contains GOODMAN

    Some things never change – Goodman still blows

    I find that I fall into the “ignorance is bliss” category when I’m not listening to 850 or reading tripe from most of the media guys.

    I’m a State fan … I have enough to be despondent about without piling on myself by listening/reading the majority of the media 🙁

  24. primacyone 06/02/2009 at 10:56 AM #

    Word on the street is that the whole 850 the Buzz is on the Hot Seat – and especially some individual talent there. Could be a big shake up over there before football season starts.

  25. Noah 06/02/2009 at 11:00 AM #

    Herb leaving was like breaking up with a girlfriend you’ve had too long. It was mutual. Both sides were sick of each other and wanted a change. It like the old saying it doesn’t matter how fine she was someone somewhere is sick of her sh*t.

    You’re right and I think it was a move that was good for both parties. Sendek was a bridge-coach for us and we should have been a bridge for him. Unfortunately for us…it WAS a bridge for him (he ended up in a good spot) and we ended up on Nijmegen Bridge with a battle plan that would have made Market Garden look brilliant in comparison.

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