Report: John Wall to Kentucky [Update 10:10am]

Thank God the circus is over.

Slam magazine is reporting that John Wall will sign a letter of intent to play basketball for John Calipari at the University of Kentucky.

Link to ACCNow

Considered the best point guard prospect in the country, Wall went to three different high schools in five years in the Triangle. He exploded onto the national recruiting scene two summers ago at a camp in Philadelphia.

He was first pursued by the Wolfpack, then Duke joined the fray and even UNC’s Roy Williams made a late call to Wall during the Final Four. Instead of staying home, Wall apparently went with Calipari.

This would be the second time in three years Duke has lost out on a top-flight recruit, late in the signing process, to Kentucky (forward Patrick Patterson in ’07).

This is good for the Cliftons, Wall’s family, John Calipari and most definitely the folks at Nike. I am not sure that this is bad thing for NC State. (Of course, had Lee Fowler and Jim Oblinger not found a way to *#$#-up the hiring of John Calipari three years ago then Calipari would have probably already secured Wall’s commitment to play at NC State. But, nothing is surprising with our ‘leaders’. Oh…what could have been)

In fact, you will get NO complaints from us about missing on Wall. Heck, with all of the shenanigans and ‘smoke’ surrounding Wall’s recruitment it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that Carolina and Duke would have friggin paid Wall to come to State just so that we could end up back on NCAA probation.

Coach Lowe and staff gave it their best shot and appeared to back away from the youngster in recent weeks/months. Don’t misinterpret that statement – we would have surely taken Wall’s commitment, but there was no reason to spend time and resources stroking this kid – and his entourage’s egos. I think Coach Lowe handled it in the best way possible.

And, I hope that John Wall (and any other local college talent who is not tracking to play at NC State) are not allowed on campus or allowed to participate in pick-up games with our players in our facilities. People who are not a part of NC State, should not get the benefits that NC State offers. Go play at the YMCA if you aren’t running with the Pack.

IMHO, NC State’s program is not currently in a place to have effectively managed John Wall. Had Wall and all of his local influences landed in Raleigh then Coach Lowe’s Wolfpack would have run a tremendous risk of dealing with long term chemistry issues for a phenomenally limited short term gain.

In the end, Kentucky was probably the best fit for Wall and his services. Calipari has shown an ability to succeed on the court while generally controlling kids of Wall’s ilk off the court. Calipari, Coach K, Roy Williams have the credibility and the stature to ‘own’ their programs and know how to both control egomaniacs while demanding things of them. Quite frankly, Coach Lowe and NC State are not yet at that point. ‘Hosting’ Wall for a year was a much bigger gamble than many wanted to publically admit.

This is the link to Scout.com’s article.

Well, the name on the jersey has changed and Calipari switched locations but he’s going to get to coach Wall.

“It was a great job he did the last two years with his guards,” Wall told Scout.com. “I think my relationship with Coach Cal pushed them over. The other coaches did a great job but that relationship got them over.”

By the way…if John Wall doesn’t get some academic items in order, he won’t be playing college basketball for anyone.

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156 Responses to Report: John Wall to Kentucky [Update 10:10am]

  1. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 2:14 PM #

    Davis is 6’6″ and players did improve, Javi, Dennis and Tracy are prime examples. The players who Lowe consistently pointed out as putting in extra effort were the ones who improved the most. What a shocking concept.

  2. Tampa-Pack 05/20/2009 at 2:30 PM #

    I see one consistent problem in the argument that Lowe has to have another year after this one because the team is so young and that we have a stud PG coming in after that. Its still WTNY. Next year will be yes we have stud PG #1, but he is just a freshman, and he is young and inexperienced, therefore Lowe will need another year, and we’ll be in to what year 6? with nothing to show for it except potential. That is the main reason Lowe needs to make the NCAA at a minimum. Turn the potential for success into something measurable and concrete. It seems many don’t want a clear benchmark. The class is pass / fail to stick with the GPA metaphor (which was excellent by the way). It isn’t personal towards Lowe, the staff or players, its just a benchmark, like each one of us must clear to keep our jobs.

  3. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 2:34 PM #

    No, what part of the end of Harrows’ year is when he should be judged on W’s and L’s do you not get? But you’re cutting him short a year. He needs to get that 5th year and you’ll see success. But you’ll never get there if you base it off of this year. The year after that we will have a team loaded with some second year sophs and a stud PG as well as a dominant senior inside(smith). Nobody is saying just keep waiting till next year forever. We’re saying give him till the end of Harrow’s first year.

  4. cooldrip 05/20/2009 at 2:34 PM #

    So at 6’6″ inches how will Davis match up with other teams’ post players? A player at this size needs a perimeter game to match up with bigger opponents; Davis can probably develop this, but probably not in time to have an impact next year. I have to agree that Smith and Javi have improved; Smith is a potential All-ACC player IMO. Javi has improved enough that he can now perform at an average level against elite competition. I don’t think Horner is really a much better player, but that’s my opinion.

    Your sniping comments seem to indicate you take this all really personally; remember we are all PACK fans, and I think we all want the same thing, even when we’re not on the same page. Intelligent discussion is the hallmark of this site and is what makes it such a fantastic resource and the envy of other schools’ fans. Personal attacks and baiting comments serve to detract from that quality, and I think it lessens the experience for everyone here. I’ve been a member at PP and Wolfpacker, but this is way better. I would hate to see this site descend to the free-for-all that passes for their forums.

  5. Bubba 05/20/2009 at 2:35 PM #

    I keep telling you guys, Sid has been told he has 2 more years to get the job done and make the dance.

    Its why he isnt an NBA assistant today

  6. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 2:41 PM #

    No, Davis was originally known for his outside shot. He was 5’11” as a sophomore. He grew to 6’6″ by his senior year and is projected to grow a little more. If he can get to 6’9″ he’ll be a force. He’s VERY proficient at scoring in the paint, and the reason his perimeter shot isn’t on right now is because of the speed of his growth spurt. All that takes is a little practice to get the stroke back. That’s why he’s a project, but that was known and he was well worth the scholarship.

  7. Tampa-Pack 05/20/2009 at 2:42 PM #

    I am not opposed to giving Lowe one more year, but would love it (and it would make me feel better) if we made the NCAA this season. So are all of you who don’t agree with a minimum benchmark of the NCAA’s this season, in agreement that if he doesn’t make it the following year he should be let go? No matter what or whom is coming in the following year or whether or not the ACC is up or down? Just trying to see if we all have the same basic expectations just some keying on this season, and some the next.

  8. Bubba 05/20/2009 at 2:47 PM #

    Tampa, Sid should and will get 5 yrs to make the dance.If by some chance he doesnt, buh bye……

  9. Tampa-Pack 05/20/2009 at 2:52 PM #

    Understand and tend to agree with that. Just trying to clarify if that’s the benchmark those that don’t agree with this season have set, or if we’ll be having these discussions again this time next year. Say for ease of discussion that Lowe has already lost 5% of fan support for his results to date, and 55% are hanging on minimum of NCAA next season, do the balance of the fans (say 40% in this example) require NCAA in the 5th season, or are some willing for this to go on even longer? Make any sense at all? Wether or not we agree on year 4 vs year 5 is one debate, the other debate is actual results vs. the next year crowd.

  10. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 2:53 PM #

    I expect, without major injuries to major players in the program, that we will make the NCAA in year 5. If he doesn’t make it in year 5, I will be extremely disappointed, could probably be persuaded to give him one more year depending on the class coming in and the development of the players already in the system. After that if he’s not in the NCAA tourny, yes unequivocally he should be gone.

  11. zahadum 05/20/2009 at 3:04 PM #

    Glad to see the #11 ranking for our class from ESPN. (although I’m curious what the heck they mean by ‘a 4 man offense’.)

    And once again this year, Scout has given clear evidence that any ranking they make should be taken with a large grain of salt. I cannot begin to explain how they arrive at their class rankings and I doubt they could either.

    Case in point – they is simply no logical way you can rank Arizona’s current class ahead of ours. None. Our class has 6 players, their’s only 3. Do they have more stars? Nope, they have 3 four star recruits, we have 3 four stars. Is their top player ranked higher than our top player? Nope, they rank Lo Brown as 28th, Arizona’s top recruit they rank 48th. Do their 4 star guys collectively outrank ours? Again, no. The comparative rankings are:

    Brown 28 – their guy 48
    Howell 64 – their guy 58 – ok they win that one
    Painter 69 – their guy 88

    So we have the highest rated player, our 4 stars outrank theirs in 2 out of 3 cases, and we have a Scott Wood and 2 projects to boot. Seems like a no-brainer to me that we currently have the better class.

  12. Thinkpack17 05/20/2009 at 3:27 PM #

    I agree that a program changer would be nice, especially for the instant success that people are craving NEXT year. But you have to remember those “Program Changers” are only good for one year. After that they are gone to the NBA. So they are only a great find if you have a stream of one and doners to follow (Calipari, Roy)…or if you are simply trying to save your job (Hewitt). That’s why kids like Brown, Painter and Howell are worth their weight in gold. They will stick around for at least a few years and help build the program because they are not good enough to jump to the league, but good enough to make an impact.

    I mean of course I would love to have a Marvin Williams or a Brandon Wright, but I would much rather have a Ty Lawson, Danny Green or Wayne Ellington.

  13. ryebread 05/20/2009 at 3:45 PM #

    I have had this conversation numerous times with some fellow Wolfpack fans. How much time is enough time?

    We’re at the end of year 3. I supported giving Lowe another season because I feel that all college coaches need a chance to recruit and deserve four years.

    Basketball can be greatly influenced by 2-3 recruiting classes. Once a coach pretty much has his own players (and sans Horner, Lowe does), then he’s on the clock in my book. Four years is enough time to get talent in and enough time to judge about things like talent development, program stewardship, in game coaching, etc.. Chances are that if a coach doesn’t get it done by the end of year four, he’s probably not going to get it done.

    I don’t think you can hang hopes of future success on recruits who aren’t yet on campus and who may not even show up. We saw what happened with HWSNBN with that approach.

    As such, if Lowe doesn’t show drastic improvement this year, then I think we have to part ways. I’m really pulling for Lowe though. The ACC should be weak enough that if he’s a good coach, he should be able to get to 8-8 and at least legitimate bubble consideration with what we have (as young and thus inconsistent as they will be).

  14. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 4:27 PM #

    I’ll ask you the same thing I asked BJD. Regardless of what happened in the past, regardless of the coach, looking SOLELY at the players, can anybody HONESTLY tell me, that they think this group of players (this year) is a lock for the NCAA tourny?

    Absolutely not.

  15. bradleyb123 05/20/2009 at 4:29 PM #

    “I keep telling you guys, Sid has been told he has 2 more years to get the job done and make the dance.”

    Good. That’s all I ask.

    “So are all of you who don’t agree with a minimum benchmark of the NCAA’s this season, in agreement that if he doesn’t make it the following year he should be let go?”

    Yes, and I think I even said that in an earlier post. I’ll even go as far as to say we need to win more than one game in the NCAAT that year. I’ll be disappointed if we make the dance (in 2010-11, I mean) and only win just one game or something.

    I expect to make the NCAAT in 2009-10, but I just don’t want to blow anything by dumping Sid if we don’t, since the new studs are so young.

  16. Rick 05/20/2009 at 5:03 PM #

    “I’ll ask you the same thing I asked BJD. Regardless of what happened in the past, regardless of the coach, looking SOLELY at the players, can anybody HONESTLY tell me, that they think this group of players (this year) is a lock for the NCAA tourny?

    Absolutely not.”

    You seem to want to use this as a reason to keep Lowe. To me it is a reason to get rid of him. In his forth year he is not able to field a team that is able to get to the NCAA (which is what you think. That is a strike against him not for him.

    And I have not made a decision about Lowe but I find your argument very shallow and not well thought out.

  17. Rufftown Wolf 05/20/2009 at 5:09 PM #

    I wouldn’t say they’re a lock for the tourney, but with youth comes energy and new enthusiasm. I’m really glad I don’t have to watch BC act like he’s playing hard. It’s not like we’re going to have to start 5 freshman. I see Javi, Tracy, and Dennis getting big minutes. So there will be opportunity for some of the young guys to get good minutes. They won’t need to score 20 a game. It should be an exciting time for the pack nation.

    But this is the real world and there are some people that you could give a bucket of gold and they would tell you that it’s too heavy.

  18. bradleyb123 05/20/2009 at 5:20 PM #

    Rick, I actually do think we’re practically a lock for the NCAAT this year. I expect the ACC to be down, and for that reason alone, we could move up the ladder a bit. But I also think we’ll be better. Say we do make the tournament this year, and next year we do even better. How long are we going to harbor resentment against Sid for the first three years?

    For me, any resentment I had is lessened by this recruiting class. It took a while, but I believe ole Sid is coming around.

    Having said all that, if we don’t win enough to get in, and I perceive the reason to be youth and inexperience, as opposed to poor coaching, then I wouldn’t hold it against Sidney. If I think he lost some games due to poor coaching, then I’d reconsider my support for him.

  19. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 5:24 PM #

    Rick, considering the fact his first recruiting “year” was nothing more than a few weeks, I don’t count that against him. Also, his third year of recruits was committed completely before the 2nd year recruits were committed. He was unaware of the type of talent he could pull in at NCSU. As he’s shown, he’s realized he can go after the big boys and actually land them (JJ). So he learned from his mistake and i’ll give him his third recruiting “year” as well. His two classes where he’s really focused on and landed good talent were #17 and #11. The talent which he is bringing in this year and on his way to bringing in next year is very good.

    The argument I made was very clear and thought out and was stated earlier. Unless you want to live in a fairy tale world where nothing outside of the coaches control happens and where every coaches four years is the same, then you have to consider what has occured during Lowe’s tenure. Things which he could not control which contributed to the overall disappointing records.

  20. cooldrip 05/20/2009 at 5:49 PM #

    I still honestly believe the way he responded to some of these issues wasn’t in the program’s best interests. If he has learned to better manage the program, and exerts more influence on the conduct of his players/staff, then one my big issues with him is fixed. And I don’t hold any personal grudges against Sid. I think, like most here, that he came in over his head. He’s learning, but ultimately he has to meet reasonable standards or he must leave. I don’t think he has, by any objective standard, done a good job. If the records improve I want him to stay, if not I want him gone. His measuring sticks are UNC and Duke. If that seems unfair for him, he should find an easier job. By year five we should be an ACC title contender nad poised to make some pretty serious national noise. I don’t see that happening, but I hope I am proved wrong.

  21. VaWolf82 05/20/2009 at 6:09 PM #

    He was unaware of the type of talent he could pull in at NCSU.

    Complete and utter nonsense.

    He knew what type of talent was at State, Duke, UVA, UMD, and UNC when he was in school. If he followed the program at all, he had to know what talent level V brought in after he left. Since Leroy Harris has been on staff from the beginning, then he had to know what type of talent Herb was recruiting.

    At the same time as he was recruiting that class, he was also recruiting one of the top recruits in the nation in JJ Hickson. If he didn’t think that he could get top recruits, then he wouldn’t have pursed Hickson.

  22. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 6:44 PM #

    The facts don’t bear that out. His first year, okay i won’t talk about that one because he didn’t have a lot of options. His second year who did he recruit/land? He recruited one big stud, Hickson, and landed him. He landed a good PF in Smith. He also landed a 3*pg and a 3*SF in Gonzalez and Thomas. He recruited one more high quality recruit in Mike Scott a 4* PF and I can’t remember any more. He recruited 3* Warren and 2 other 2 stars. His third year he landed 2 3* recruits within 2 months of landing JJ Hickson (Williams and Mays) and his 3rd class was done before it even got started. I don’t believe I can name one recruit over 3* that was recruited for that year.

    Now lets look at what he’s done SINCE landing Hickson and williams and mays. He’s recruited John Wall, Demarcus Cousins, Derrick Favors, Ryan Kelly and i’m sure I’m forgetting some more. He had us in the final list for 3 of the top 5 recruits in the nation. He landed 4*’s Lo Brown who everyone thinks is underrated, Howell, Painter, 3* Scott Wood who may be the best shooter in the class. And two project players one of whom is considered a top 10 C in Australia and another who is a hometown high energy guy. For his next class, he did have 5* Leslie committed as well as 5* Harrow committed. He’s recruiting 5* guys in Cothron and Parker. How can you not see that after Sid came to the realization he could land 5* guys, that he started gunning after them and had us in the running for elite talent?

  23. VaWolf82 05/20/2009 at 6:48 PM #

    The facts don’t bear that out.

    Oh BS. Was Harris on staff or not? Do you think that the two might have ever had a conversation about recruiting? Do you think that Harris misled Sid about the kids that they could recruit at State?

    Any coach that comes into the ACC knows that he has to recruit top talent to be competitive. No one wins in the ACC with mid-major talent. To claim otherwise is complete and utter nonsense.

  24. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 6:51 PM #

    Harris was here during Sendeks’ tenure. Granted Sendek had us going for SOME top guys, but we weren’t fighting with UNC and Duke and other top schools year in and year out like Lowe is showing that he wants to do.

    No kidding, but at that time, he needed players. Any players to fill positions because Sendek left the cupboard pretty bare. As Fells stated, he basically left without saying goodbye. He had very little concern for the situation he left us in. As a consequence of that, Lowe felt rushed (and rightly so) to get players comitted into the program. So he did.

  25. Greywolf 05/20/2009 at 6:53 PM #

    “Heck, part of the reason UK made their move this year was because they pretty much had Cal wrapped up. If that hadn’t been the case, then they may not have even made the move.”

    Could be, SFN, but what about Donovan? If Calipari was “wrapped up” why the offer to Donovan before Cal? Are you saying the if UK didn’t have Cal “wrapped up” they may not have even have gone after Donovan? If you say so… Perhaps everybody else is wrong about UK dead set on removing Gillespie (regardless of Calipari.)

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