Report: John Wall to Kentucky [Update 10:10am]

Thank God the circus is over.

Slam magazine is reporting that John Wall will sign a letter of intent to play basketball for John Calipari at the University of Kentucky.

Link to ACCNow

Considered the best point guard prospect in the country, Wall went to three different high schools in five years in the Triangle. He exploded onto the national recruiting scene two summers ago at a camp in Philadelphia.

He was first pursued by the Wolfpack, then Duke joined the fray and even UNC’s Roy Williams made a late call to Wall during the Final Four. Instead of staying home, Wall apparently went with Calipari.

This would be the second time in three years Duke has lost out on a top-flight recruit, late in the signing process, to Kentucky (forward Patrick Patterson in ’07).

This is good for the Cliftons, Wall’s family, John Calipari and most definitely the folks at Nike. I am not sure that this is bad thing for NC State. (Of course, had Lee Fowler and Jim Oblinger not found a way to *#$#-up the hiring of John Calipari three years ago then Calipari would have probably already secured Wall’s commitment to play at NC State. But, nothing is surprising with our ‘leaders’. Oh…what could have been)

In fact, you will get NO complaints from us about missing on Wall. Heck, with all of the shenanigans and ‘smoke’ surrounding Wall’s recruitment it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that Carolina and Duke would have friggin paid Wall to come to State just so that we could end up back on NCAA probation.

Coach Lowe and staff gave it their best shot and appeared to back away from the youngster in recent weeks/months. Don’t misinterpret that statement – we would have surely taken Wall’s commitment, but there was no reason to spend time and resources stroking this kid – and his entourage’s egos. I think Coach Lowe handled it in the best way possible.

And, I hope that John Wall (and any other local college talent who is not tracking to play at NC State) are not allowed on campus or allowed to participate in pick-up games with our players in our facilities. People who are not a part of NC State, should not get the benefits that NC State offers. Go play at the YMCA if you aren’t running with the Pack.

IMHO, NC State’s program is not currently in a place to have effectively managed John Wall. Had Wall and all of his local influences landed in Raleigh then Coach Lowe’s Wolfpack would have run a tremendous risk of dealing with long term chemistry issues for a phenomenally limited short term gain.

In the end, Kentucky was probably the best fit for Wall and his services. Calipari has shown an ability to succeed on the court while generally controlling kids of Wall’s ilk off the court. Calipari, Coach K, Roy Williams have the credibility and the stature to ‘own’ their programs and know how to both control egomaniacs while demanding things of them. Quite frankly, Coach Lowe and NC State are not yet at that point. ‘Hosting’ Wall for a year was a much bigger gamble than many wanted to publically admit.

This is the link to Scout.com’s article.

Well, the name on the jersey has changed and Calipari switched locations but he’s going to get to coach Wall.

“It was a great job he did the last two years with his guards,” Wall told Scout.com. “I think my relationship with Coach Cal pushed them over. The other coaches did a great job but that relationship got them over.”

By the way…if John Wall doesn’t get some academic items in order, he won’t be playing college basketball for anyone.

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156 Responses to Report: John Wall to Kentucky [Update 10:10am]

  1. bradleyb123 05/20/2009 at 11:12 AM #

    “Objectively, why would that change my thinking about the overall health of the program?”

    Because of the nearly complete change in lineup. Five guys out, six new guys in. Sid just bought some time. He would have to do a horrible job to be let go after this year. That’s my opinion. Whatever happened the last three years, so be it. We have a team that can go far. And a top-25 player is coming in NEXT year to lead the way if Mays or Javi don’t pan out THIS year.

    I’m sorry, but whatever reservations you have about Sidney need to go on the backburner, and all because of this haul. I’ve seen your posts about how Sid needed to have a top-10 class. He has a top-13 class. If you are going to be that nitpicky, then you clearly have an agenda against Sidney, one that isn’t likely to change, regardless of what happens this year. I don’t think a team of freshmen CAN accomplish whatever benchmark you require. I think they can very well do that NEXT year if not this year.

    I’m just glad you’re not in charge. Like the rest of us, you’re just a guy with an opinion.

  2. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 11:13 AM #

    BJD let’s say this was… oh I dunno, Sean Miller. And THIS is the class he had pulled in as his 2nd full recruiting class in his fourth year. REGARDLESS of previous years, would you expect this team with these SIX freshmen, to make the NCAA tournament? In otherwords, you’re acting like, this team should make the NCAA tourny, period. And if they don’t it somehow is an indictment on the coaches ability. If this were someone other than Lowe, would you hold that same expectation for this team? I seriously doubt it.

  3. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 11:14 AM #

    ^^amen to that last line

  4. whitefang 05/20/2009 at 11:18 AM #

    We have a GOOD class coming in that is for sure and Scout has it ranked 13th in the country. In fact only 3 ACC schools have higher ranked classes.
    In 2007 we had the 17th best class according to Scout and only one ACC school was ranked higher. How did that work out? Sure I know there are all kinds of reasons that comparison isn’t fair.
    I don’t think “hating” on Lowe is what any of the doubters are doing. Hate is not in the equation. Results are, and so far his results to put it kindly have been mediocre at best. Not put kindly they have been…
    So we all hope we have a much better year, and some of us will be surprised if we do. I love surprises.

  5. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 11:24 AM #

    “and some of us will be surprised if we do.” Fine, but is that an indictment on the coaches ability to coach or is it recognition of the fact that we have SIX freshmen, most of whom are going to be expected to contribute?

  6. BJD95 05/20/2009 at 11:52 AM #

    Recruiting is just ONE prong of the marker I laid out after 2007-08. And the “top 10” vs. “top 15” difference is secondary to the fact that we didn’t bring in an elite, “program changer” recruit. But that’s still a very minor quibble – recruiting isn’t all that’s going on.

    As I have said before, I could see giving some slack on the recruiting prong if Lowe had met the other 2 prongs, which he didn’t even come close to doing.

    So, the argument boils down to “you need to shut up and give Lowe a completely clean slate because he almost met ONE of the three elements you needed to see after the 2007-08 disaster.” That’s grading on a steep curve even with the strongest rose-colored glasses on.

    I guess I can expect the argument to to progress to “Lowe didn’t drop his pants and shit on the block S during a game this year, so you have to give him more time” after the coming season.

    I certainly am just a guy with an opinion. I also understand that the big money people are in the same place I am with Lowe. That doesn’t guarantee anything, because after all, this is NC State.

    I also don’t see how you can blame the “big three” for being what’s held Lowe back, but simultaneously believe Lowe must get extra time because he has to replace them in the lineup.

  7. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 11:56 AM #

    Like I said before BJD, if this were another coach, regardless of what had happened before, based solely on the merits of the players that we’re putting on the floor. Do you think those players are a lock for the NCAA tourny?

  8. BJD95 05/20/2009 at 11:56 AM #

    Sean Miller would have likely made the NCAAT by now, and would have almost certainly recruited better early on (as he is already doing at Arizona).

    But yeah, I would expect him to make the NCAAT by his fourth year or be out the door. And if he does better in years 1-3, sure he can have a rebuilding year. Everybody has those.

  9. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 11:57 AM #

    That’s not what I asked. Based on the merits of the PLAYERS we’re putting on the floor this year, do you think they should be a lock to the NCAA tourny?

  10. BJD95 05/20/2009 at 11:59 AM #

    “Regardless of what has happened before” makes your question irrelevant. Lowe has painted himself into the corner he’s in. He is and has been both coach and general manager. You don’t get to hit the reset button after three years and pretend to be a rookie coach in Year Four.

  11. BJD95 05/20/2009 at 12:02 PM #

    It doesn’t matter whether Lowe’s potential failure is due to personnel, coaching strategy, motivation, or a combination of all three. In Year Four, it’s his responsibility.

    We had this same discussion many times over with the last coach. It’s a bottom line business, folks.

  12. Daily Update 05/20/2009 at 12:04 PM #

    ncsuownzjoo: I understand where you are coming from. I really do. In fact, I even have gotten my hopes up since the Painter signing. I think that was a big step in the right direction.

    However, you have to consider one thing when disagreeing with BJD95, other contributors to this site, and many of the fans out there that have access to information about some of the things that have happened behind the scenes. Without knowing those issues, then I totally agree with you that an NCAA or bust mentality may be setting the bar too high for Sidney. But you have to at least understand where we are coming from in terms of any criticisms and expectations for Sidney Lowe. You have raised at least one point that you were critical of Calipari when you could criticize Sidney Lowe for the doing the exact same thing. I expect that you don’t have much insight on this topic to know that you did that, but the point being is that I don’t think you have all of the information that the contributors to this site have about the basketball program. This is insight and information that isn’t discussed at places like Packpride and the Wolfpacker. And to the credit of people who run this site, this type of information isn’t posted here either.

    IMO, if a top coach like Sean Miller would walk to Raleigh to take the NC State job, then we should change coaches if Sidney doesn’t make the NCAA tournament. However, if Sidney makes at least the NIT and has Harrow and two other top 75 players, then I think a case can be made for Sidney’s return. However, still a lot of that would be based on what is going on behind the scenes in terms of Sidney developing himself, his staff, and the program to make sure that it is in position to make the NCAA tournament in year 5. There would have to be a lot of positive signs beyond just what happens on the court.

  13. BJD95 05/20/2009 at 12:10 PM #

    Another good post from Daily Update. Probably as good a point as any to disengage from rehashing this somewhat redundant argument.

  14. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 12:16 PM #

    No see, he doesn’t want to answer the question correctly because ANY sane individual who knows ANYTHING about collegiate basketball, ESPECIALLY in the ACC, can look at this team and NOBODY would think they were a lock for the NCAA. They’re not really even a lock to be an NCAA bubble team unless one or two of the freshmen step up in a big way. He knows this, I know this, the coaches know this, the players know this, every freaking body on this board who knows ANYTHING about basketball knows this. So what does that mean? It means you are PURPOSEFULLY setting the bar too high because of some reason that I’m not aware of. You know it would take a herculean effort by our freshmen and returners to achieve what you’re asking to achieve. But you don’t care because you simply want Lowe gone.

    You know, it would be nice if we lived in a fairy tale world or we lived in a vaccuum. Unfortunately we don’t. You can’t just say “he’s had four years”. Herb’s four years are different from Sids, are different from Valvano, are different from Sloan, are different from any other coach in the nation. Considering the fact that Lowe’s first year he basically couldn’t recruit because it was too late. His third recruiting class was committed before his second recruiting class was committed. They were committed well before Lowe understood exactly what type of talent he could bring into NCSU. So I even give him a pass on his third class of Mays and Williams. Given two full recruiting class, a #17 in which he landed a top 10 who is now in the pros, and a #13 in which he’s got 6 solid 4 year contributors. He’s had us in the running for some very good recruits and almost landed some of the top in the country, even with all of our problems over the years. I don’t question his ability to recruit anymore.

    Everybody knows the facts about his PG during his first year, the fact that some of our players were promiscuous and causing problems as well as not accepting roles and causing problems during his second year, and his third year where people simply didn’t seem to want to try. I could go more in depth but it’s pointless, the reasons for why the teams didn’t succeed have been rehashed over and over again.

    Like I said before, we don’t live in a vaccuum or a fairy tale world. Problems occur, problems outside of the coach’s control. You may not want to give him the benefit of the doubt on those things, but I do. I think Lowe deserves that.

  15. Thinkpack17 05/20/2009 at 12:22 PM #

    I’d still like to know why my post was deleted.

  16. Daily Update 05/20/2009 at 12:28 PM #

    ncsuownsjoo: Again, I understand where you are coming from. Ultimately, I support what is in the best interests of NC State. Not the best interests of a coach, an AD or a Chancellor. Even if Sidney may “deserve” a year 5, then there are situations that would still warrant a change. If at any point NC State has the ability to upgrade its personnel, then the university has to make that move. We haven’t operated in the past like that and I think that is exactly why we are in this current situation of rebuilding for almost two decades.

    If you don’t like Cal because you consider something he does as shady and Sidney is doing something similar, then would that be a reason for you to not want Sidney Lowe as a head coach? It doesn’t bother me personally because I don’t consider Cal’s methods shady. But I do apply the same standards to both Lowe and Cal.

    Would you apply your same standards to Lowe and Cal equally?

  17. NCSUownzJoo 05/20/2009 at 12:35 PM #

    My apologies, that wasn’t really directed at you as much as towards others.

    Yes I would. I haven’t seen Lowe using handlers. If someone has any evidence of that, I would love to consider it. I have seen Lowe pick out talent early (Wall, Leslie, Harrow, Kelly, etc. etc.) and then handlers come along after him. It’s not that I’m trying to hide my head in the sand, I simply haven’t seen any reason to believe it was the case.

  18. choppack1 05/20/2009 at 12:51 PM #

    zoo – Let me put BJD’s opinion in point blank terms:

    Think of it as your GPA, Sidney Lowe has to get a 2.5 to stay in school, right now, he’s 2.0. He needs to get a 3.7 this year to stay in school.

    It doesn’t matter that because of the high school courses he’s had, he came to college unprepared for the work.

    It doesn’t matter that he’s got to take even tougher classes this year.

    It doesn’t matter that last year, he got a 2.1 – and has done really well in one subject.

    He needs to have that 3.7 to meet his goal. It’s not our fault he ha to get that instead of a 3.0.

  19. Rufftown Wolf 05/20/2009 at 1:17 PM #

    **News Flash**

    ESPN just ranked the incoming class #11

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/classrankings?classyear=2009&classmonth=5

    That’s a little closer to top ten huh. But it is by no means top ten.

  20. whitefang 05/20/2009 at 1:27 PM #

    And in all fairness to Lowe, his incoming class is pretty darn good especially considering the last 2 years the team he is responsible for has been preforming at a pretty low level. Someone on the coaching staff did a damn good job selling. So I give him that.
    And yes next year’s team is going to be very young so even if he is doing a good job coaching, they may start out slow. But young college basketball teams surely aren’t unheard of, and I certainly think next years team needs to finish really strong. In other words with no NCAA bid I would expect a damn good ACC tourney run.
    Now if we are comparing coaches do you think Roy, K, or Cal could take our young players next year and make a run? I’m afraid I do. So lets see how Lowe handles them.

  21. Clarksa 05/20/2009 at 1:33 PM #

    Some good stuff here…but in all honesty it doesn’t really matter what we think because Lowe will be here next year and will be able to field a team without our “Big 3” for the first time and we will get to see what kind of coach he is without them. My money will be on better results…but I’m almost positive that will be blamed on a “down ACC.”

  22. Thinkpack17 05/20/2009 at 1:43 PM #

    “But young college basketball teams surely aren’t unheard of, and I certainly think next years team needs to finish really strong.”

    Absolutely. The college timeline for a basketball player has become condensed with the early entries to the NBA. There’s a reason there aren’t a lot of seniors on the Draft board.

  23. bradleyb123 05/20/2009 at 2:04 PM #

    I think we HAVE to give Sidney TWO years minimum with this fine class of recruits, especially considering Harrow will be here in 2010. I don’t completely discount the disappointment over the last three years. But I don’t believe that JUST because Sid has had three bad teams in his first three years necessarily means his 4th and 5th years will continue to be the same. There are too many other variables to consider. I contend that our “best” players these last three years were not built for the uptempo system that Sid is putting in place. I think it MAY be case of our players being “fish out of water” for the last three years.

    The anti-Sid contingent are right about one thing. Starting with this year, no one can defend Sid by blaming anything on Herb’s leftovers. Unfortunately, what we have now is a YOUNG, inexperienced team. I think they MIGHT be great despite that. But there is no way we can expect them to be.

    What concerns me is we MAY have a juggernaut in the making here, and to cut off the head of the program JUST BECAUSE he got off to a bad start (for reasons that are not all his fault), would cause a needless setback to the program. Changing coaches almost always results in several more years of struggling. We would have to bring in a big-time coach to avoid that, and we all know that won’t happen at NC State. So a coaching change WOULD be a major setback. But one more year of patience very likely will reward us for being patient.

    If we were GUARANTEED to be a winner by firing Sidney after an average year in 2009-10, then I’d be considering that more. But we aren’t. In fact, we are probably guaranteed the polar opposite of success. Personally, I’d rather give Sidney that extra year as opposed to committing basketball suicide.

    As far as I’m concerned, showing progress THIS year, and having BIG success NEXT year should be Sid’s benchmark. I have NO excuses for Sid having a bad year in 2010-11. Produce that year or be gone. But not this year. We have too much YOUNG talent to put that expectation on THIS year.

  24. cooldrip 05/20/2009 at 2:06 PM #

    There’s been alot of talk about this recruiting class and rightly so, but some seem to fixate on the ranking as if it really means something for next year. We are ranked in the top 15 because of the depth of the class. Most of the schools ranked above us are there because of the top 25 players they were able to sign. Is there a player in this class who will have a huge impact next year? Let’s take a look at these guys:

    Brown: More talented than any guard on our roster right now, although our backcourt talent is mediocre at best. Will he play at a high level against elite competition night in and night out? Word is he’s a great slasher who needs to improve his perimeter shooting consistency. He will need to make his jumpshot a weapon to be the difference-maker we need in the backcourt.

    Howell: Will play a fair number of minutes next year, but probably not polished enough offensively to be a consistent scorer in the post. His rebounding and defense, along with his athleticism and energy will be a nice addition.

    Painter: See the Howell comments.

    Wood: Unbelievable shooter, but he need more to his game. There certainly will be an adjustment necessary concerning the speed the game is played at. He will matched up against players that are more athletic, and possibly taller, reducing the time and space in which he can get his shot off. A truly dominant offensive player on the blocks would be the perfect compliment to Wood; I can’t see most ACC teams being forced to double off Wood without that force in the post.

    Vandenburg: Interesting prospect with his height and wingspan, but he is going to really need to hit the weights to be a consistent contributor. I would imagine he will have the toughest adjustment of the recruits in terms of opponents’ athleticism; he probably hasn’t seen the type of athletic big men he will now be facing.

    Davis: Puzzling that we gave this scholly. Not knocking the kid, but he is a 6’4″ power forward. Word is he plays on the low blocks, is a poor perimeter shooter, and is a poor ballhandler. Where does he play? He’s a 4 in a 2’s body. I do agree you need a kid like him in the locker room and at practice.

    It seems to me we three recruits who will play alot of minutes (Brown, Howell, Painter), one who will be very valuable in certain games/situations (Wood), and two who are long-term projects and not ready to contribute much of anything yet (Vandenburg & Davis). What we don’t seem to have is the high-impact player like a Wall or Favors. The reason these recruits will play big minutes is a lack of talent on our roster; blame who you want, but honestly this roster doesn’t look any better right now than Sid’s first year. If you think so, tell me which of these guys looks like he will have the season BC did that year? We had big athletic wings in GG and Fells, and nobody this year will remotely approach Engin Atsur’s point guard play or leadership. So after two years of bottom 3 league records, when we should have been improving, we have a roster that’s deeper, but probably not significantly better in terms of the top 5-6 players. This can only be described as a lack of development, and I can only blame one person for that. Whatever the circumstances, there really are no problems, on-court or off, that are beyond a coach’s control when it comes to the the team. Look back at how this was handled by guys like Knight or K and contrast them with Lowe’s approach. Their approach has generated 6 NCAA titles and countless wins; Lowe’s more passive approach has left us stagnated for the last two seasons.

  25. bradleyb123 05/20/2009 at 2:07 PM #

    For those of you that skipped my previous comment because it was too long, here’s the bottom line:

    As far as I’m concerned, showing progress THIS year, and having BIG success NEXT year should be Sid’s benchmark. I have NO excuses for Sid having a bad year in 2010-11. Produce that year or be gone. But not this year. We have too much YOUNG talent to put that expectation on THIS year.

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