Report: John Wall to Kentucky [Update 10:10am]

Thank God the circus is over.

Slam magazine is reporting that John Wall will sign a letter of intent to play basketball for John Calipari at the University of Kentucky.

Link to ACCNow

Considered the best point guard prospect in the country, Wall went to three different high schools in five years in the Triangle. He exploded onto the national recruiting scene two summers ago at a camp in Philadelphia.

He was first pursued by the Wolfpack, then Duke joined the fray and even UNC’s Roy Williams made a late call to Wall during the Final Four. Instead of staying home, Wall apparently went with Calipari.

This would be the second time in three years Duke has lost out on a top-flight recruit, late in the signing process, to Kentucky (forward Patrick Patterson in ’07).

This is good for the Cliftons, Wall’s family, John Calipari and most definitely the folks at Nike. I am not sure that this is bad thing for NC State. (Of course, had Lee Fowler and Jim Oblinger not found a way to *#$#-up the hiring of John Calipari three years ago then Calipari would have probably already secured Wall’s commitment to play at NC State. But, nothing is surprising with our ‘leaders’. Oh…what could have been)

In fact, you will get NO complaints from us about missing on Wall. Heck, with all of the shenanigans and ‘smoke’ surrounding Wall’s recruitment it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that Carolina and Duke would have friggin paid Wall to come to State just so that we could end up back on NCAA probation.

Coach Lowe and staff gave it their best shot and appeared to back away from the youngster in recent weeks/months. Don’t misinterpret that statement – we would have surely taken Wall’s commitment, but there was no reason to spend time and resources stroking this kid – and his entourage’s egos. I think Coach Lowe handled it in the best way possible.

And, I hope that John Wall (and any other local college talent who is not tracking to play at NC State) are not allowed on campus or allowed to participate in pick-up games with our players in our facilities. People who are not a part of NC State, should not get the benefits that NC State offers. Go play at the YMCA if you aren’t running with the Pack.

IMHO, NC State’s program is not currently in a place to have effectively managed John Wall. Had Wall and all of his local influences landed in Raleigh then Coach Lowe’s Wolfpack would have run a tremendous risk of dealing with long term chemistry issues for a phenomenally limited short term gain.

In the end, Kentucky was probably the best fit for Wall and his services. Calipari has shown an ability to succeed on the court while generally controlling kids of Wall’s ilk off the court. Calipari, Coach K, Roy Williams have the credibility and the stature to ‘own’ their programs and know how to both control egomaniacs while demanding things of them. Quite frankly, Coach Lowe and NC State are not yet at that point. ‘Hosting’ Wall for a year was a much bigger gamble than many wanted to publically admit.

This is the link to Scout.com’s article.

Well, the name on the jersey has changed and Calipari switched locations but he’s going to get to coach Wall.

“It was a great job he did the last two years with his guards,” Wall told Scout.com. “I think my relationship with Coach Cal pushed them over. The other coaches did a great job but that relationship got them over.”

By the way…if John Wall doesn’t get some academic items in order, he won’t be playing college basketball for anyone.

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156 Responses to Report: John Wall to Kentucky [Update 10:10am]

  1. anti-smurf 05/19/2009 at 11:34 AM #

    I’m not surprised one bit. If I was the other 5* PG that signed with KY, I’d be pissed! I’m actually enjoying watching a Duke fan freak out over KY getting both Wall and Bledsoe(?), while they got nada!

    Better there than here, I’ll wait for Harrow!

  2. Clarksa 05/19/2009 at 11:52 AM #

    If we had landed Cal, he would still be at Kentucky today taking our recruits with him.

  3. FredandDwight82 05/19/2009 at 11:52 AM #

    Whew. Finally! I’ll chip in towards his bus ticket to Lexington! LOL Wonder if my Wildcat buddies will be as excited as my OK State buddies were to get JamesOn Curry… (They thought just because I am in NC that NC State was in on or wanted him.)

    I sure hate to see a Duke fan freaking out over a player who has not yet qualified in mid-May! Way to uphold that vaunted academic reputation.

  4. GAWolf 05/19/2009 at 11:59 AM #

    I think K’s late courting of Wall shows recognition on his part that he’s falling behind UNC quicker than he’d really like to admit. He’s lost a step without a doubt.

  5. GAWolf 05/19/2009 at 12:00 PM #

    Great point, Clarksa, great point.

  6. GAWolf 05/19/2009 at 12:07 PM #

    Can someone make sense of the last line of this quote for me please:

    “It’s where John wanted to go,” Beckwith told Scout.com. “John has been in love with Cal. He was supposed to sign with him in November. He likes the things that Cal said, he likes how Cal interacted with the players. He looked at the history of the coaches recruiting him and saw that those were some of the things he wanted to do for him.”

  7. Daily Update 05/19/2009 at 12:45 PM #

    So we would rather have a coach that UK wouldn’t have been interested in than a coaching UK would have wanted to hire? I don’t get the way some people think.

    Also, if Cal was already at NC State landing the top recruits in the country and being in position to beat/compete with Roy and K, then he is a lot less likely to go UK. Kind of like how B. Donovan turned down UK multiple times because he has everything he needs at Florida. Cal wouldn’t have needed to leave NC State for UK (he might have anyways). But clearly Cal wasn’t going to stay at Memphis forever playing in Conference USA.

    SFN: Took my post before I was able to start typing. All of this sanity and common sense. Since others can play the supposition game – had Cal been at NC State, all of those players would probably have already signed binding LOIs that we wouldn’t have released. So, he would have been leaving it all behind to leave. Heck, part of the reason UK made their move this year was because they pretty much had Cal wrapped up. If that hadn’t been the case, then they may not have even made the move.

  8. TheAliasTroll 05/19/2009 at 12:55 PM #

    Well maybe now we can ink Mary Easley to run the point.

  9. BJD95 05/19/2009 at 1:05 PM #

    The thought that Calipari might have still have bolted for UK keeps me from going completely insane. Still, would have been a great three year ride – and we would be in great shape to bring in a frontline replacement. And isn’t better to have loved (won) and lost (said winning coach), than never to have loved (won) at all?

    It is an interesting point – had Wall came here, he would have us over a barrel and know it every second of his career. We would have no leverage to control him and the people around him, because we are in desperate straits.

    But yeah, I would have still taken him.

    There is absolutely no doubt that Coach K is flailing about madly in this brave new Roy-dominated world. It’s driving him insane, and he’d do almost anything (even kissing the Clifton’s rings just to be Wall’s SAFETY SCHOOL, which he did) to get just one more brass ring to prove that Roy hasn’t completely lapped him.

    Hell, if the Holes had Roy, and State had Cal – maybe Coach K would have had another, more serious round of “back trouble.”

  10. Sw0rdf1sh 05/19/2009 at 1:15 PM #

    I agree with quite a bit of things already posted.

    – I would have taken CAL as Coach if we could have gotten him years ago.

    – He would be at Kentucky now as well.

    – Cal probably won’t even have to worry about the media when he gives 3 players their pink slips.

    – SFN had the Wall info at least before 8 this morning because I posted it on another thread. (sorry, should have maybe emailed it?)

    – I don’t think we land Leslie, but with Harrow and 1 scholly left we should do pretty good with another high level player if we produce next year.

  11. BJD95 05/19/2009 at 1:21 PM #

    Daily Update/SFN – Wow, you mean that folks around them parts make proactive personnel decisions? Well, I’ll be doggonned.

    /beats head on desk for 5 minutes, goes back to work.

  12. Noah 05/19/2009 at 2:22 PM #

    I’ve mentioned this before, but I have a friend who works at Michigan. We were talking about coaches and I asked him just how far he thought John Beilein would take them.

    He admitted that the Sweet 16 would probably be as far as they’d ever go under him. I asked him if that would be good enough for him.

    “No, but he makes us relevant. And we haven’t been relevant for a long time. He’s a bridge-coach. He’ll coach here for about six or seven years. We’ll be much better than we ever were under Brian Ellerbe or Tommy Amaker. He’ll retire and then we’ll be in a position to make a much stronger hire.”

    The SANITY of that statement took my breath away. Here…we don’t want Cal because he won’t coach 25 years here. Sendek was our bridge-coach…and we didn’t even know it. We had an opportunity to do EXACTLY what my friend outlined and then we let Fowler get involved.

  13. packalum44 05/19/2009 at 2:23 PM #

    Somewhat off topic but according to Scout or Rivals (I forget), Sean Miller edged our recruiting class ranking by one spot. He landed 3 top-100 players in a month…

    Regarding Wall, if I’m looking at a 1 & Done college experience, I go to KY as well. Solid choice – low risk and high reward. He’s going to play lots of minutes (questionable at UNC/Duke) and his coach has a resume which shows he can develop PGs in 1 year. He’s going to have enough talent to give him chances to win and impress but not enough to put him in anyone’s shadow. Plus Lexington is very beautiful in the Autumn.

    Congrats to Wall…now we can move on. Folks, we have bigger fish to fry.

  14. NCSUownzJoo 05/19/2009 at 2:30 PM #

    I’m glad we didn’t get Calipari, cause he would have left us this year in the same shape that Memphis is going to be in… absolutely pathetic. We got someone who loves the program, does things the right way, and is one hell of a recruiter; with an eye for talent.

    Congrats on your decision Wall… If you didn’t pick us, I’m at least glad you stayed out of a real conference.

  15. ryebread 05/19/2009 at 2:37 PM #

    Hmm.. My guess is that the NCAA is taking a long, hard look at Memphis right now. There’s too much smoke about Fedex, WWW, etc. for them not to. I believe that Calipari was looking to get out as many as 3 years ago, found a high major that was a clear step up and left.

    As for the comments about the fact that all Cal does is win, I’m pretty sure that UMASS paid the price for his tenure there. Cal is still coaching, but UMASS suffered and still hasn’t recovered. My guess is that Memphis may end up with sanctions for Cal’s time there as well. If they quickly plummet to mediocrity (which is quite likely given their coach’s inexperience and the fact that Calipari pillaged their recruiting class), then maybe the NCAA lets them off and pretends the whole situation never happened.

    With the relationship that NC State has with the local media and our horrible interaction with them from a programmatic perspective (i.e. Vaughn), the media would have been looking to nail Cal from second one had he been at NC State. He’d have given them enough ammo to have done it too. Just imagine Wall and Cousins (and the baggage that comes with them) lacing up for NC State this season with Cal as coach. Yes, we’d be winning, but the local sports writers would spend more time digging up dirt than detailing our wins.

    Cal’s perfect for Kentucky and Kentucky is perfect for Cal. Kentucky is a historically dirty program in a historically dirty conference that resides in a state that takes massive pride in UK’s basketball program. That’s a perfect marriage. Cal may never land UK on probation, but I think that’s more because UK, it’s fans and the local media will keep everything covered up (like USC has done with Carroll).

    Given the unique challenges that NC State’s coach faces (pressure to win given legitimate fan expectations but in proximity to UNC and Duke, a lack of support by the academic side of the house, and a local media that is looking to find problems), Montgomery would have been a much better choice. He has the track record of success in a school that focuses on academics and does things the right way. He’d have been so clean that the N&O would have switched over to looking into Duke (which honestly seems to make more sense). Regardless, it’s admittedly a moot point because we didn’t draw him in.

  16. FredandDwight82 05/19/2009 at 2:47 PM #

    Packalum44, Lexington is beautiful in the Spring, too! The bluegrass is thriving and the azaleas bloom just in time for the month of horse racing in April at Keeneland including the Blue Grass Stakes, one of the last prep races for the Derby. Of course, not many college basketball players are into horse racing (although apparently it is okay for them to hit the casinos as soon as they get off the plane in Detroit at the Final Four!). Then again, they haven’t seen the 20 and 30 somethings break out the sundresses when they take the afternoon off to go to the track…

  17. wufpup76 05/19/2009 at 3:04 PM #

    Good luck John Wall … All the best (unless we meet UK in some magical fairytale world next season … then you need to go down.)

    OK – moving on …

  18. Rufftown Wolf 05/19/2009 at 3:07 PM #

    I thought that’s what blogs were for. If Cal wanted to come here he would of. I also think it was timing. SO where is this concrete facts that Fowler was the reason He didn’t come to State. It seems like this site has a personal vendetta against a Lee Fowler. Sorry guys he doesn’t play the games the players do. He also had a good hire in Tom Obrien and with the women Basketball team.
    I believe Sid was a great Hire as well.

  19. wufpup76 05/19/2009 at 3:08 PM #

    “… (like USC has done with Carroll).”

    ^You can add Tim Floyd’s program in there as well. There is *plenty* of smoke surrounding the USC basketball program which will apparently amount to 0 trouble for the school (in addition to the football program).

    Some schools will never be in (serious) trouble … but I digress.

  20. Clarksa 05/19/2009 at 3:12 PM #

    Ryebread’s post is exactly why I didn’t want Cal in Raleigh…would the last three years have been a lot more fun as a fan? Sure but it doesn’t really matter now. He’s at Kentucky and we have a great class coming in that can be the foundation for the next four years.

  21. JeremyH 05/19/2009 at 3:16 PM #

    Meh. I’d rather us get quality recruits we can get at least 2 years out of. The Painter pickup softens the blow of losing Wall and Leslie.

    We saw fantastic signs of improvement from Javi over the course of last year as being the guy that can run (and contribute to) our offense. He’s a good player, he just wasn’t ready as a freshman in the ACC. Hopefully he can take it to the next level, bridging the gap to Harrow. So much of our success depends upon it.

  22. wufpup76 05/19/2009 at 3:19 PM #

    ^^Can’t totally agree with you there, Rufftown.

    Calimari may not have wanted to go toe-to-toe with Roy and K (who knows, really) – but at Memphis, Calimairi typically had one of the toughest out-of-conference schedules by design over the past few seasons.

    I would agree that he would prefer the cupcakes, but after complaining – to no avail – to the NCAA about either being left out or having a low seed he at least had the wherewithal to adjust his scheduling methods.

    A lot of coaches would have just stuck their head in the sand in protest b/c they “must be right”. Kinda like a coach who used to be in Raleigh who came up with a magical “bare minimum” formula for reaching the NCAA’s for 5 straight years.

  23. SaccoV 05/19/2009 at 3:21 PM #

    I’m glad to see the majority of the posters have eased up on Wall as the lynch-pin to Sid’s success. I think that our recruiting this off-season was very well done. I’m excited about future recruiting, especially next year with Harrow coming on board (Thanks, especially to wolfpackhoops.blogspot.com for their continued excellent work). Most importantly, Sid has shown himself to improve dramatically in his three years. I know the record doesn’t show it, but this team is already better than it was when it lost out in the ACC Tournament. Whether or not Sid helps the team reach the true goal is another thing, but I suspect that many State fans will be very surprised and pleased with the team this upcoming season.

  24. BJD95 05/19/2009 at 3:21 PM #

    It’s absolute bullshit that Calipari didn’t want to compete with Roy and K. That’s why he was interested in our job to begin with. He relished the rivalry-related spotlight he would have at NC State. Although we can’t nail down 100% of what happened with Calipari, we do know enough to be unequivocal in saying that.

    Only “loser” coaches are intimidated by the thought of competing with UNC and Duke. That just fuels the competitive fire in real coaches.

  25. BJD95 05/19/2009 at 3:25 PM #

    I hope we are impressed this season, SaccoV – but there should be absolutely none of that “improvement that doesn’t show up in the record” BS during this coming season.

    I also think Lowe has improved, but at a slow rate, much slower than will enable him to succeed in the ACC. Time will tell.

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