Deshawn Painter: Florida’s loss becomes NC State’s gain

8pm Update: BREAKING NEWS! – The Wolfpacker beat Pack Pride by about 15 minutes on this one with their report that Deshawn Painter has chosen to play basketball at NC State. SFN heard last week that NC State was ‘expecting’ to land Painter, but you never count your chickens before they hatch. We felt pretty good about State’s odds after Painter got out of his visit in College Park this past weekend without falling in love and committing in person to Gary Williams. So, we got ready to run this story this evening so that we would be prepared. Good timing/ CONGRATULATIONS, Coach Lowe and the Wolfpack!!

The recruitment of the one of the top remaining post prospects in country ended on Wednesday when Deshawn Painter chose NC State over Maryland after eliminating Virginia Tech from consideration earlier in the week.

Painter, of Chatham (Va.) Hargrave Military Academy, is a very athletic, ‘lengthy’ 6’9 power forward who has a well rounded game that includes the ability to rebound and block shots. After originally committing to Billy Donovan at the University of Florida, DeShawn ultimately changed his mind and re-opened his recruitment.

He is ranked as one of the Top 75 high school players in the country; Scout has given him four stars and Rivals has given him three stars. ESPNU ranks Painter #19 on their list of top power forwards in the country, achieving “score” of 92 as NC State’s other post commit – Richard Howell. Howell is ranked #20 on ESPNU’s list.

  • Wolfpack Hoops’ biography/profile of Painter can be seen by clicking here.

Make no mistake about Painter’s potential impact on NC State’s 2009-2010 team and on the program into the future. In this thorough entry on March 23rd we stated the following:

Much is made about State’s struggles and needs at the point guard position…and, Ryan Harrow may be scheduled to arrive in Raleigh one year too late for Coach Lowe. But, I see an even more glaring deficiency on the Wolfpack’s roster after the departure of Brandon Costner – NC State desperately needs some size, heft and toughness in the post. Despite the addition of Richard Howell in the 2009 recruiting class, an ‘ideal’ candidate for one of the Wolfpack’s remaining scholarships would be a junior college big man – preferably a true center of close to 7 feet – who can defend, block shots and rebound. Additionally, this would be ideal for current and future scholarship spacing needs.

Although Painter may not represent the ‘ideal’ situation that we projected with a hypothetical junior college prospect, he’s damn close and would obviously contribute to the program for more than just two seasons. Having versatile and skilled bookends in the post like Richard Howell and DeShawn Painter (as freshmen) behind Tracy Smith and Dennis Horner would create an awful lot of depth for the Wolfpack next year, and beyond) while helping to blunt the blow of (potentially) losing CJ Leslie from next year’s class.

Projected 2009-2010 NC State Basketball Roster

Senior Class
(1) Dennis Horner (F)
(2) Farnold Degand (PG)

Junior Class
(3) Javi Gonzalez (PG)
(4) Tracy Smith (4F)

Sophomore Class
(5) Johnny Thomas (Wing)
(6) Julius Mays (PG/SG)
(7) CJ Williams (Wing)

Freshman Class
(8) Scott Wood (Wing)
(9) Lorenzo Brown (PG/SG)
(10) Richard Howell (PF)
(11) Josh Davis (WF)
(12) Jordan Vandenberg (C)
(13) DeShawn Painter (PF/C)

2010 Commits
(1) Departure of Dennis Horner – Ryan Harrow (PG)
(2) Departure of Farnold Degand – Previously CJ Leslie (PF/C)

2011 Commits
(3) Departure of Javi Gonzalez
(4) Departure of Tracy Smith

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174 Responses to Deshawn Painter: Florida’s loss becomes NC State’s gain

  1. Thinkpack17 05/14/2009 at 1:21 PM #

    LOL…I’m an armchair coach too, but come on guys. He should have done this…he should have done this and then this would have happened. A previous poster was right, if he goes with the sit ’em strategy and loses even more games you guys use it as ammo against him. At the end of the day I work for a computer hardware company…you guys do whatever you do…and Hindsight is 20/20.

  2. Tampa-Pack 05/14/2009 at 1:25 PM #

    Bubba – Good catch, I was thinking the same thing (about Mays) just didn’t have time to look it up yet. I thought he had great grades and was loved by his teammates, so I knew it couldn’t have been grades or attitude. That’s what I like about this community. So many people have so much knowledge (or can quickly find it on this site) that someone might spout of false facts, but they usually get corrected and/or exposed. The people that don’t like this site, seem to not like “facts” and are very opinion based – just my two cents anyway.

    Anyway back on topic, great grab for Lowe and Co as long as he can get eligible for this year. Doesn’t change the fact that it still should be NCAA or bust as the benchmark.

  3. sautz 05/14/2009 at 1:27 PM #

    Hey, I’ll believe Lowe can win when I see it. Just because not all of us share your faith based optimism about the future doesn’t mean we all have to. I personally wouldn’t call questioning some obviously questionable issues and pointing to W-L record as a measure of failure as “bashing” but to each his own. Lowe has now brought in some pieces which could give us some success. Lets hope he can develop and coach them well and bring NCSU back where it should be.

  4. pakfanistan 05/14/2009 at 1:28 PM #

    BJD, regarding Javi’s defensive abilities, what are you basing that on?

    I saw him do a great job on Vasquez when Fells was getting torched.

    Edit: *Those stats courtesy of ACCstats.blogspot.com

  5. Thinkpack17 05/14/2009 at 1:36 PM #

    ^^^Yeah I really don’t buy that Javi is a bad defender. I mean I’ve seen him give up some dumb fouls, but as far as on-ball defenders goes he a pretty hard-nosed player.

  6. cooldrip 05/14/2009 at 1:37 PM #

    History and facilities will always be part of the equation for any great coach considering a job change. If it’s been done before, it can be done again. It would be easier to build an elite program here than say Gonzaga or Memphis. And any coach I would want would consider the fan base an asset. Can any school say they have more dedicated fans? What other BCS/major conference school has endured the mediocrity we have, and yet still sell out their venues regularly? TOB wouldn’t be here if not for the passion of our fans; Rick Barnes wouldn’t consider us such an elite job if not for the fans. WE made the facilities happen; WE turn the Carter into a madhouse for big games; WE made Reynolds one the nation’s most feared places to play. WE are also the customer, and the reason Wolfpack athletics exist and perform on such a huge stage. Thus, WE are the people they need to please. A great coach relishes a chance to feed some hungry fans and give them the results they crave. A not-so-great coach would rather have lower expectations. I think Sid wants to meet this challenge; he has to prove he is able to, and pretty soon.

  7. Wulfpack 05/14/2009 at 1:37 PM #

    Why is it that so many other programs improve almost overnight when hiring a new coach? Watch UVA this year. Anyone want to bet they will win more than last?

    FOUR years is enough time to turn around even the most sideways program. If you don’t think it is, then you aren’t paying attention to the game on a national level.

    I’m not saying he can’t do it. He’s got the tools now, he’s just got to figure out how they work.

  8. anonymousselfquoter 05/14/2009 at 1:42 PM #

    I mock anyone who compares Hickson to Hodge. Adam Harrington maybe. JJ never saw a triple team he couldn’t beat.

    Hey, thats a good line? I look forward to my next comment so I can quote that and take my place in the SFN toolbox. (Another one! Toolbox! I can’t wait to use that. I can’t believe how funny and insightful I am!)

  9. PoppaJohn 05/14/2009 at 1:47 PM #

    I’ll leave the debate to you experts – I’m happy to have some reason to look forward to next year. Well done Coach!
    And with over half the team being freshmen and sophomores, and no real senior leadership, I don’t think we can expect anything but signs of good things to come next year. But that’s more than we had this year.

  10. packalum44 05/14/2009 at 1:48 PM #

    For all those who think Lowe is a good coach, ask your co-workers or friends who are fans of other schools if they would take him…

    Alpha made a great point when AZ, AL, GA, VA, KY and other schools were searching for a head coach. How many made a run at Herb? Not a single one. How many schools would want to hire Lowe after his first 3 years at NC State?

    Moreover, as Noah has pointed out, who else would have hired Sid as a BB head coach besides us? No one. He was not qualified and was a huge gamble by Fowler.

    Most of us are more upset at Fowler for botching the hire than Lowe’s actual performance. We all wanted Lowe to succeed but he hasn’t and it does not look like he will, talent or not. It seems as if some take this personally. We all love Lowe and appreciate him as an important and proud part of our past. With that said we want to win and win now.

    There is a cultural issue at State that starts with the BOD/Chancellor and funnels down to Lee and onward. If we make a smart hire with the next AD, a strong leader will be able to change the “corporate culture” within the athletics department and hire winners and demand excellence and accountability.

    We are all happy with landing Painter but we still have our reservations with Lowe and company.

    So in conclusion, how many of your friends want Lowe hired at their school?

  11. Thinkpack17 05/14/2009 at 1:49 PM #

    “I mock anyone who compares Hickson to Hodge.”

    I compared the two. I think the question was about talent level, we were asked if Sid had brought in a talent like the very talented, highly recruited, future NBA first rounder Julius Hodge. I replied with yes, Sid brought in the very talented, highly recruited, future NBA first rounder JJ Hickson.

  12. Thinkpack17 05/14/2009 at 1:53 PM #

    “…to succeed but he hasn’t and it does not look like he will, talent or not. It seems as if some take this personally.”

    I don’t take it personally, I just don’t agree with you.

  13. bradleyb123 05/14/2009 at 2:04 PM #

    I have some observations:

    1) Several people (not naming names) use just about every blog on here as an opportunity to badmouth Sidney Lowe. It gets old, especially when the subject of the blog is about something GOOD that Sidney has done, or a feather in his cap, like this recruiting class. When I start seeing the posts, I’m sorry, I just have to yawn because I feel like some just have an anti-Sidney agenda. To me, that hurts their credibility.

    2) I don’t understand the TOB/Sidney comparisons. TOB has done an outstanding job, even if the win-loss ratio does not quite reflect that yet. But even if we were down for about three years, our football program had much more “street credibility” than our basketball program has had. For that reason, I believe TOB’s task was a little easier than Sidney’s. And there was SOME talent on the football team when he arrived. I’m not convinced that Sid had any real talent to work with, and that includes Costner, Fells and Big Ben. They had talent, but they sure didn’t show it very consistently.

    3) No matter what you think about Sid’s past performance, he NOW has the recruits to do something good. I think finishing in the upper .500 in the ACC will not be a problem for us, nor will making the NCAA tournament. But to say Sid HAS to accomplish that with THIS group of nearly all freshmen and sophomores is being unrealistic. If this was Sid’s FIRST recruiting class, would you say he has to win NOW or be fired? I doubt it. (Still, I think he will anyway…) But if I’m calling the shots, I say Sid gets TWO years to do something good with this group. I was one of the most staunchest fans calling for his ouster. But I saw he was willing to change things when they aren’t working. By the end of the year, I saw some real player development. We knew he would get on-the-job training when we hired him. And I believe he has learned. I believe he is becoming a good coach. Someone said you can’t just throw out his first three years. I say you can — to an extent. But only because he is making up for lost time with THIS recruiting class. Based on what we have NOW (nevermind the last three years), it would downright silly to just fire Sid after this year. The impact to the program, not to mention recruiting, would be completely unnecessary when you consider the momentum we have in recruiting now.

    I don’t think we “fans” are doing the program any favors by being down and negative on Sid at every turn. The time for that (if there is a time) will be at the end of the 2009-10 season. Please, save it for then, if it is needed.

  14. anonymousselfquoter 05/14/2009 at 2:06 PM #

    Talent shmalent. Hodge knew how to help his ‘mates. JJ had potential, but refused to pass and couldn’t understand when NOT to help on D. JJ became a basketball black hole. Once the ball was sucked into his gravitation pull it could never escape. No matter how open the teammate. Hodge was the opposite. Good player who made others better. No, Sid hasn’t had that guy yet.

    Btw, I’ll be self quoting that black hole stuff later. I’m so effing witty.

  15. Thinkpack17 05/14/2009 at 2:08 PM #

    “We all love Lowe and appreciate him as an important and proud part of our past. With that said we want to win and win now.”

    This is another sentiment that I don’t understand from the veteran posters. I understand that there are things that you guys know that I don’t and I can’t know. But assume Fowler is truly on his way out, we’ve still got to get that bad ass AD, that bad ass AD still has to get that bad ass coach, and that coach has to keep the chemistry with our bad ass players. How does that equate to winning “now”? Sounds like that will take some time.

    I know you guys are in the know…but we don’t know who that AD is yet, and we don’t know who that coach is yet…so I have to believe some of this is just a gut feeling and faith. So why is it so hard to accept that some of us just have a gut feeling that by the time it takes you to clean house Sid really could already be the coach that is truly meant to lead us?

  16. NCSUownzJoo 05/14/2009 at 2:11 PM #

    He didn’t catch anything. I didn’t say Mays was stupid or couldn’t cut the grades. He just didn’t like going to class. His grades held because he got his stuff together and went to class like he was supposed to.

    And no, constructive criticism is fine, the problem I have is when people criticize for the sole purpose of tearing the person down. For instance, he lands a player that was, at one time, considered one of the top 20 players in his class and all some people here can do is say, well that’s nice but it just bought a crappy coach a few more seasons. That’s not constructive criticism. There’s a huge difference.

    Packalum: who would have hired coach K after his first 3 years? Who would have hired Dean Smith after his first 3 years? That’s not a valid argument because 3 years is not enough time.

  17. Thinkpack17 05/14/2009 at 2:15 PM #

    “Talent shmalent. Hodge knew how to help his ‘mates. JJ had potential, but refused to pass and couldn’t understand when NOT to help on D. JJ became a basketball black hole. Once the ball was sucked into his gravitation pull it could never escape. No matter how open the teammate. Hodge was the opposite. Good player who made others better. No, Sid hasn’t had that guy yet.”

    Well if you just totally dismiss what the discussion was about by saying “Talent shmalent” I guess we don’t have much to talk about. Timelines won’t let you compare careers my man, Hodge was at state longer than Sid has been a coach. If you want to argue the point of who was better…a freshman JJ or a Jr. Julius Hodge you will have to find someone else. I agree, Hodge was better. And FYI, you don’t have to pass to make your teammates better…cite Psycho T. Look up his career assist numbers. It will SHOCK you.

  18. BJD95 05/14/2009 at 2:21 PM #

    Let’s use some context here, since I think context is important. Please realize that a TWO TO THREE WIN improvement would almost certainly allow Lowe to clear the bar I have set. Remember, this is after “Herb’s guys” (who the defenders of the faith have continually claimed were the problem, not Lowe or “Sid’s guys”) exit stage left, we add the bestest group of freshmen ever, and every team in the league loses significant star power (except bottom feeders Virginia and Georgia Tech).

    Why on Earth would you think that’s such an unfair standard? Why make excuses before the season starts?

    I can also assure you that nobody in the sports world (outside of a handful of State fans trying to defend Lowe) thought that the NC State football job was a better opportunity than the basketball position – especially at the time the positions were last vacant. IIRC, NC State has NEVER had a Top Ten finish in football. NEVER. Football recruiting is more regional than basketball, and the local talent pool is shallow and spread thin. On top of all that, Chuck Amato had spent the last two seasons running the program straight into the ground.

  19. VaWolf82 05/14/2009 at 2:29 PM #

    It’s eerie how the comments on BB threads mirror what was said about State’s FB team when they were plagued with poor QB play.

    – The coach has had enough time to recruit better.
    – It’s not the coach’s fault that X, Y, or Z didn’t work out.
    – X will play much better next year.
    – Look at all of this talent (at other positions).

    The FB team didn’t win until they got a QB. The basketball team won’t do much better than the recent past until it gets better play from the PG position.

  20. cooldrip 05/14/2009 at 2:31 PM #

    I will agree on this point: this year we will see the most ACC-caliber players as our core than at anytime during Sid’s tenure. With Smith and the two freshmen, we should be at least respectable on the blocks. I think Tracy Smith could have an All-ACC year; he should be our first option. The PG situation is helped by the attriton of alot of the league’s great point guards. If Brown and Wood can give us a perimeter shooting threat, we could be decent. Of course, we must become a great defensive team as well; we will be much more athletic which should help alot. Howell and Painter are both long athlete types, correct? That should make us much quicker as compared to Costner/McCauley. I wonder how Horner feels right now? I don’t know if he’ll be getting alot of time by midseason.

  21. BJD95 05/14/2009 at 2:31 PM #

    You could also notice how the market speaks. Dick Sheridan never won an ACC title at NC State, even pre-Florida State. Seemingly every offseason, an elite program was after him. Hell, freaking GEORGIA wanted him. That lets me know that the NC State football coaching job is considered a tough one, by objective, market-based standards.

    Contrast that with Herb Sendek. He never won the league, either, but made a Sweet Sixteen and 5 straight NCAATs. That’s not great, but certainly by no means shabby. He knows he’s under fire, and is constantly looking for another job. Nobody bites other than a bottom-feeding Pac Ten school, after years of shoe leather. That lets me know that the NC State mens’ basketball job is a very good one, by objective, market based standards. Otherwise, the big boys would have been all over Herb.

    Think further about the market. Imagine for a minute that Lowe goes 7-9 in ACC play this year, misses the NCAAT, and gets fired. That would be the “best case scenario” for his marketability. Does anyone honestly think that he’d get another major D-1 head coaching job? Would he even get an interview? Hell no, he’d do just what the last “over his head NC State alumnus” did – go back to his former line of work and stay there.

  22. packalum44 05/14/2009 at 2:35 PM #

    Dean was 30 when he took over UNC in 1961. K was 32 when he took over Duke in 1980. Lowe was 46 and had a long and undistinguished career in the NBA when he took over in 2006.

    Different decades and different points in their career’s. 3 different generations. Apples to oranges to pears.

  23. NCSUownzJoo 05/14/2009 at 2:39 PM #

    It’s still basketball and you can’t make something out of nothing in 3 years in collegiate basketball. Unless you happen to get lucky and get one or two OUTSTANDING classes right away. Unfortunately that’s probably not going to happen when you come in with few if any HS and AAU contacts. 3 years is not enough time to make the statement you made.

  24. wufpup76 05/14/2009 at 2:47 PM #

    “SFN: No. ALWAYS. Name one time in history (since the NCAA Tournament expanded to 64/65 teams) that a .500 team in the ACC was not on the NCAA BUBBLE. Name just one.”

    ^SFN, it may be just semantics – but you said .500 would be on the “good side” of the bubble. I took that to mean that .500 gets an ACC team in no matter what.

    UVa was 9-7 in the league with a sweep over 9-7 UNx a few years ago and failed to make the field of 64. The ACC got only 3 teams in the field that season, and that UNx squad wound up making the Final 4 under Gutheridge (I think this was the Mahktar Ndiaye year). I think it was the 2000 season – or something close.

  25. anonymousselfquoter 05/14/2009 at 2:50 PM #

    A freshman Hodge went to the 2nd round. A freshman JJ didn’t make the NIT.

    I say “talent shmalent” (my first self quote.. Only 543579 behind this site) because dominating NC Central is meaningless. If Sid were able to land a Hodge, BJD would be sporting the brown makeup and the red blazer every Halloween.

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