Sources: Tim Floyd to Arizona & more dominoes could fall

The landscape of the Pac-10 continues to transform as 2009’s coaching carousel continues with this somewhat surprising move – Tim Floyd to Arizona

After unsuccessfully trying to woo Rick Pitino and reportedly going after Mark Few and Jeff Capel, Arizona is set to name Tim Floyd as its new head coach according to reports.

Fox Sports reports that Floyd is still weighing the offer.

Floyd, 55, has spent the last four seasons at USC and is 85-50 in his tenure in Southern California. He led the Trojans to three NCAA tournament appearances — including a Sweet 16 appearance in 2007.

According to a source close to the situation, Floyd — as of Wednesday night — is still deliberating on whether to accept Arizona’s offer.

Floyd’s Trojans won the 2009 Pac-10 Conference Tournament Championship and qualified for the NCAA Tournament by overcoming a 15 point deficit to Arizona State. The Sun Devils and All-American guard James Harden only scored six points in the last eight minutes and ten seconds of the game en route to mustering only 63 points for the day. They scored only four points in the last 7:37, which included only one field goal in the last 7:37. The Trojans took the lead with about 30 seconds to go in the game and continued to ride their momentum into the NCAA Tournament.

I thought USC was able to pull a surprisingly good move in their initial hire of Floyd four years ago, so it will be interesting to see where the Trojans choose to turn. Jobs at Georgia and Memphis also remain open.

As Andy Katz discusses in the above video, Floyd’s move could open the door for the dominoes to fall in a manner that sends Pitt’s Jamie Dixon to USC, opening the Pitt job for Sean Miller. First, such a move would suck for NC State as Sean Miller is clearly emerging as a top candidate for our job in the next couple of years if Coach Lowe were to unfortunately not show some improvement.

Excuse me while I continue to be baffled by these reporters. Katz, like Seth Davis and Greg Doyel and so many others, is usually fast to tout the attributes of former NC State coach, Herb Sendek. In this report he immediately mentions Miller and totally ignores Sendek as a candidate for Pitt. Hell…Miller coached for Sendek, who is also originally from Pittsburgh!

Sendek was (supposedly) the subject of speculation around the Pitt job when Ben Howland left for UCLA. Although the speculation was later proven to be a manufactured and appear to be an opportunistic PR stunt by Camp Fowler/Sendek to make Herb appear desired by other programs, it still baffles me that Herb could be such an amazing coach yet these media-guys who love him so much never even think of him as a potential candidate for any of these jobs where is obviously a natural fit. I wonder why that is?

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146 Responses to Sources: Tim Floyd to Arizona & more dominoes could fall

  1. Bubba 04/02/2009 at 1:49 PM #

    LKN

    Sorry, but that one made me chuckle.

    I certainly didnt mean any disrespect to anyone associated with the SFN blog,but to read alot of the tripe that follows in the comment section and see the term “representing the intelligent portion of the NCState fanbse” is comedy at its best.

  2. Mike 04/02/2009 at 1:50 PM #

    Wow, I cannot beleive I know something about HS recruiting that Noah didn’t. Jeff Lebo and Billy Owens were from Carlisle, PA. Beaver Falls has produced some great NFL QB’s including the most overrated of all time. But I must give that overrated QB some props for his affection for Suzy Kolber.

  3. gopherfan 04/02/2009 at 1:54 PM #

    Please, enough about poor Herb. I got to know him and his family pretty well while he was here. He was always cordial, somewhat reserved and a great family man. They just got tired of all the negativity and jumped at the chance to move on. That being said, as much as I liked him personally, I think he hit his ceiling here and am happy he is having success at ASU.

  4. wufpup76 04/02/2009 at 1:56 PM #

    Speaking of tournaments, I owe the Big 10 an apology.

    They have one team in the Final 4, and another playing for the NIT championship tonight (I know, go ahead and laugh … but still).

    It’s ugly basketball (geneally speaking), but they’ve gotten as much or more, really – from their teams in March as has the ACC.

    I will for sure not be as disparaging towards other conferences next season. ACC has nothing really to stand on other than the Holes. Sad times.

  5. LKNpackfan 04/02/2009 at 1:57 PM #

    Ha, valid reply I guess. I meant the authors, not commentors, though.
    Those loathsome commentors, they represent the lunatic fringe.

  6. Trout 04/02/2009 at 1:58 PM #

    Landing a well known coach in the ACC isnt really done by anyone, including UNC. The 2 hires before Roy were Matt Doherty and Bill Guthridge.

    ACC teams that have hired a coach from a BCS level conference:
    Maryland – Williams from Ohio State
    UNC – Williams from Kansas
    UVA – Bennett (yesterday) from Washington State
    UVA – Gillen from Providence
    Clemson – Barnes from Providence

    Recent coaching hire history in the ACC:

    Clemson: Purnell from Dayton, Shyatt from Wyoming, Barnes from Providence, Ellis from South Alabama.
    Duke: K from Army, Foster from Northwestern
    GT: Hewitt from Seina, Cremins from App State
    FSU: Hamilton from being fired from the NBA, Robinson from Tulsa, Pat Kennedy from Iona
    UVA: Bennett from Washington State, Laeito from Depaul (they had just gotten into the Big East), Gillen from Providence, Jones from UVa assistant, Holland from Davidson
    UNC: Roy from Kansas, Doh from Notre Dame, Gut from UNC assistant, Dean from UNC assistant
    NC State: Lowe from the NBA, Herb from Miami OH, Les from ETSU, V from Iona
    Wake Forest: Dino from Wake assistant, Prosser from Xavier, Odom from UVA assistant, Staak from Xavier
    Maryland: Williams from Ohio State, Wade from high school, Lefty from Davidson
    BC: Skinner from Rhode Island
    Miami: Haith from Texas assistant
    VT: Seth Greenburg from South Florida (before they were in the Big East)

  7. Mike 04/02/2009 at 2:02 PM #

    One other point I wanted to make about the state of our program. We are NOT a mid major D-1 program. We are in the ACC and that alone should give us a long look from most coaches. I know this might sound contradictory to what I said in defense of Sid and finding another coach, but that is a whole different ball of wax.

    Why would a coach want to come here and compete with the likes of Roy and K? For the same reason any competitor worth their salt wants to compete against the best. Is it easy? No. Hard work and persistence are far more rewarding than having things handed to you (someone please hand me a couple million and let me try to prove it). A coach gets into coaching for 2 reasons: 1) to teach the game and to influence the young men, and 2) to compete. Maybe that is 3 and I sound like Yogi Berra, but competing keeps the juices flowing and competing is what can bring a top notch coach here.

    Finally, why we cannot get a top notch coach is the athletic department fiasco and the administration. Yes, I want to compete, but I dont want to compete on an uneven playing field. Give me a fair shot and an even field. We dont have that at NC State. We have great fuhcilities now. Why dont the Clippers ever win? Management. Sterling is a complete moron and Elgin Baylor was their GM. He worked for them for 20 years, and when fired, he finally complained that he was treated unfairly. I think he would have figured that out in the first year, so why did he stay 19 more years? The whole organization is messed up, and that my friends is why they are the dorrmat of the NBA (and I cant stand the NBA so that makes this argument even more compelling). WE ARE THE CLIPPERS OF THE ACC/NCAA.

  8. BillyTheKid 04/02/2009 at 2:06 PM #

    The Clippers! Duke Football! WOW!!

  9. Thompson44 04/02/2009 at 2:35 PM #

    So would that make us the Detroit Lions of the NFL because if that is the case we get the number 1 pick and that has to be a good thing.

  10. TOBtime 04/02/2009 at 2:41 PM #

    This was a response from Tom Osborne when asked about the salary Calamari would be pulling down at Kentucky:

    “People have decided that the most fiscally disadvantangeous thing you can do is to have your program fall apart and people no longer want to come to your games,” Osborne said. “It affects all sports. Maintaining a strong viable program is in the best interests of the athletic department and the university.”

    In other words, what Cal is going to be making is chump change compared to what the University will be making. You think our Administration would buy into that? Maybe having those empty seats would help clear it up for foul-up and Oblinger.

  11. hai17 04/02/2009 at 2:43 PM #

    This may be an unpopular opinion, but NC State is no better than a school like Clemson from the point of view of the kids we are trying to recruit. We are an ACC school, and that is about all we have going for us in basketball. I know we can point to National Championship banners etc., but we really haven’t been nationally relevant in the lifetime of any recruit. Out of state recruits have probably never heard of us except for the rare mention of NC State during the NCAA tournament.

    In the region it is likely somewhat better, but when I am out of town and tell people that I go to NC State I get asked how the tarheels are doing half the time. Even my relatives in the midwest make the same mistake, and I’ve corrected them on it several times.

    Quite frankly, when the supposed high point of NC State basketball during the last 10+ years is a sweet sixteen trip, you know our program has fallen to the point that the 25+ year old National Championships are functionally irrelevant. I was raised on stories of Wolfpack greats and competitive play, but I can never remember a team that was much better than average (and I’ve been to almost every home game for the last 10+ years).

    This is why coaches are hesitant to come here. I know that Lee Fowler is horrible, but in a revenue sport I would figure that you can essentially run the program without the AD (Exhibit A: Tom O’Brien). I know it’s hard for people who can remember National Championships to accept, but we haven’t done anything in years in a “what have you done for me lately” type of culture… It wouldn’t surprise me if that is part of the reason why Sid is “in the mix” for recruits but can’t close the deal. Frankly, I’m impressed he’s even got them considering us.

    I apologize for the somewhat disjointed comment, but my brain is a bit fried today and I wanted to chime in with a somewhat younger perspective, even if I can’t express it perfectly.

  12. packalum44 04/02/2009 at 2:45 PM #

    Greywolf:

    I think we could easily pay $2 million as is. Fiscal Year 2007 NC State was 14th in fund raising with $27 million. For reference, http://chronicle.com/free/2007/09/2007092501n.htm

    I explained to the WPC employee who called when I canceled my membership that although they were very successful, they were only seeing the tip of the iceberg in donations. I could be naive but I would assume NCSU is one of the most divided fan bases in the country. Half the people on this blog are either not giving or not giving what their poor little deprived heart desires (or their wife). There is a lot of money just under the surface.

    BTW, anyone know why Goodnight doesn’t give? Not a sports guy or his wealth is not liquid enough (tied up in SAS)? He’s worth 3 times more than T. Boone Pickens. He could pay a coach’s salary without even knowing it.

  13. packalum44 04/02/2009 at 2:49 PM #

    ^TOBTime:

    He hit the nail on the head. He understands the importance of athletics. Cal will pay for himself many times over. He’s charismatic like V, a better salesman than b-ball coach. Hell, half the battle is recruiting and he beats anybody at that, even ol’ Roy. UNC recruits itself. Cal recruited kids to friggin Memphis.

  14. Wolf74 04/02/2009 at 2:57 PM #

    I believe NCSU can attract a proven coach, not a Barnes or Calipari or Pitino, but a Bruce Pearl for a salary in the range of $3 million a year. That is cost of getting our program back, hiring a coach that brings a program with him. The other way is to continue to shuffle through lower division coaches every 3-4 years in the hopes you find one that can eventually build a program. We have been doing that for 20 years, although we have kept each for much longer than the 3-4 years needed to prove you can get it going in the right direction. So far we haven’t had success. Now it is time to try the other route but that is going to cost. If we wait much longer, it will cost more. If Lowe isn’t solidly in the NCAA’s next season, we should buy a program.

  15. BJD95 04/02/2009 at 2:59 PM #

    Goodnight isn’t a sports guy.

    Great quote by Tom Osborne. He understands the big picture in all of this.

  16. Daily Update 04/02/2009 at 3:00 PM #

    To show that I am actually quite rational about Herb Sendek, don’t “hate” him, and actually respect him as a coach, then I will use his hiring/career at NC State to make an argument that we can still, today hire a great coach.

    Back when he was hired, Pitino was the hot coach so it was only natural to go after former assistants. Barnes, Donovan, and Sendek were three of them. If we had hired either Donovan or Barnes(don’t even care if he was realistic), then we would have had one of the top coaches in all of college basketball.

    However, even with hiring Herb Sendek we hired a guy that ended up doing pretty well at NC State. I still say that Herb was Josh Powell staying at NC State for his junior year from having a team that was a legitimate final four team in Melvin/Sherrill’s senior year(Hodge’s junior year). That team went 11-5 in the regular season and got a #3 seed in the NCAA tournament without Josh Powell. Clearly we should have beaten Vandy and made the Sweet 16, so with Powell that team had Final Four/ACC title potential.

    So looking back, even without hiring 1 of the 2 best Pitino former assistants we still got a head coach who had the program on the cusp of doing something special. We were pretty close to getting it right that time around.

  17. Noah 04/02/2009 at 3:11 PM #

    Wow, I cannot beleive I know something about HS recruiting that Noah didn’t. Jeff Lebo and Billy Owens were from Carlisle, PA. Beaver Falls has produced some great NFL QB’s including the most overrated of all time. But I must give that overrated QB some props for his affection for Suzy Kolber.

    Thank you, sir.

  18. TOBtime 04/02/2009 at 3:13 PM #

    packalum44, i could not agree more. I think it would amaze even Bobby Purcell what could happen if the right coach were brought in and actually won. We aren’t the Wal-Mart fans. We bleed red AND white and are loyal to a fault. However, even we have limits and the path our basketball has been on the last 20 years has crossed the line for most of us. I think even with TOB a huge increase in donations could occur if we went back to the basketball power most of us grew up with. We CAN pay close to top dollar for a coach but I don’t see the need to pay $4M like Kentucky did either.
    ^Daily, I also agree with you. What if McCants does not hit the last second 30 footer to beat us? What if Chris Paul misses the floater in the lane to beat us? What about the BS charging call against MD? Sadly though, you make your own luck and you can’t change the past. Herb is a great guy but had enough chances at NCSU.

  19. Greywolf 04/02/2009 at 3:17 PM #

    buttPACKer
    April 2nd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
    greywolf,

    “you can bet that TOB will get a raise this year.”
    `
    I would hope so. I was just dealing in “what is.”
    `
    Gene,
    I suggest that “paying players” would best be something we know, not think. I don’t believe Sloan was “paying his players” but I would not be a bit surprised if he violated a rule similar to what he did with Thompson — letting the a recruit sleep in a dorm room without paying for it or gave him some meal money so the kid could eat. You know something really shady like that.
    `
    The real problem was the football coach/AD thought Sloan was getting too big for his britches and sold him out. Florida did nothing to support Sloan. Just another side of the story. Who knows what really happened.
    `
    Most problems with recruiting would disappear IMO if some sanity prevailed.

  20. Daily Update 04/02/2009 at 3:23 PM #

    TOBtime: Don’t miss the point I was making. I totally agree we make our own luck. But the larger point is that we almost got it right back in the mid-90s without the Dail practice facility, without the RBC center, and without paying a coach a ton of money.

    If we had struck quicker with B. Donovan, then maybe we would have the two national titles and Florida wouldn’t. There was no reason that we couldn’t have hired a coach from Marshall back then and right now there is another Billy Donovan or John Calipari type of coach at a place like Marshall or UMass.

  21. Gene 04/02/2009 at 3:28 PM #

    One other point I wanted to make about the state of our program. We are NOT a mid major D-1 program. We are in the ACC and that alone should give us a long look from most coaches.

    The issue is do we want to go after most coaches? Most coaches coach at small schools, like Miami (OH) and we didn’t want to give a new hire, in 2006, the “on the job training” Herb Sendek was afforded, if I remember correctly.

    I don’t know if the fanbase could’ve been sold on another mid-major hire, given the frustration Sendek had caused, especially after the humiliating loss to Carolina, at the RBC that February.

    A good administration could’ve won over the fanbase to any hire, but face it, that’s not what we have, which is why we wildly went after coaches who coached at a power conference and had a winning record.

  22. Noah 04/02/2009 at 3:29 PM #

    The stuff with Sloan was with Vernon Maxwell and Dwayne Schintzius, wasn’t it?

    I thought was all booster-related.

    Was that when Charlie Pell was the coach down there?

  23. Greywolf 04/02/2009 at 3:33 PM #

    “You think our Administration would buy into that?” (Osborne’s quote.)
    No, not really. Unfortunately the what so of it is the faculty would revolt. Seems to have been that way for some time. The faculty ran off MAF, our real hope for an administration that was pro sports excellence.
    `
    Most of us are complaining about the spigot, the smarter ones are complaining about the pipes and those that really know are pointing out the well is the real culprit, not the pipes that bring the water to the spigot or the spigot that releases the water. The water table (the faculty) dominates the well and on up the line.
    `
    Most of what I write here is in opposition to cussing the tap. I long for the days of 73 and 74. UNX’s record would have been a disaster in those days. Tyler Hansblow would have been a role player, a poor man’s Timmy Stoddard.

  24. TOBtime 04/02/2009 at 3:34 PM #

    ^ Oh I am for sure with you Daily! Just think how close we came to getting Rick Barnes 3 years ago. The right offer on Friday and who knows. However, he was already established. There is an up-and-comer that you speak of somewhere. For heavens sake, we got V at IONA!

  25. TOBtime 04/02/2009 at 3:41 PM #

    But Greywolf, does it HAVE to be that way? Obviously not at Kentucky for basketball and obviously not at some of the SEC football schools. Are we such an academic elite university that we can be that way? Are there not other powers that come into play besides faculty? Can someone in the Administration (not sure who) not tell them at some point “Shut up and worry about teaching, research and academics. We’ll handle athletics”?

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