Pack Signs Aussie Center

vandenbergI have been waiting for a news article on Jordan Vandenberg to link to, but it doesn’t seem forthcoming. So, here’s a link to The Wolfpacker, with very little information.

My take is that Vandenberg is a 7-foot center project. However, that is not a criticism. He’s not a bad fallback option when you miss on elite lowpost prospects. And unlike Josh Davis, he did have an offer from another major program (USC), and another legitimate mid-major program (Nevada). So it doesn’t require blind faith – which obviously, Lowe and company haven’t shown they deserve – to have some cautious optimism.

Vandenberg’s role in 2009-10 should be extremely limited, but it does give NC State a 4th lowpost option for whenever two of Smith, Howell, and Horner get in foul trouble. I can’t imagine he’ll contribute much when he’s in the game as a freshman, but his height alone makes that preferable to, say, Johnny Thomas at the 4 while Horner plays center.

As a junior and senior, Vandenberg’s ceiling is probably that of a very useful player from a similar background – Georgia Tech’s Luke Schenscher.

Here’s a quote from Noah on another thread, which I agree with 100%:

I don’t mind taking a flyer on a seven footer (who doesn’t have arthritic knees and a heart condition). It’s guys like Davis or 6-0 unranked point guards that I question this late in the season.

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231 Responses to Pack Signs Aussie Center

  1. tvp1 04/29/2009 at 2:19 PM #

    rtpack24: Thanks from me as well for sharing this information.

    I absolutely hate it when people who have information pass it along to the public only to be jumped on. RTPack24 and others don’t have to speak up, and if you treat them like crap, they won’t. Disagree reasonably with the information they pass along, give it whatever weight you think it deserves, but don’t attack them for posting what they hear.

    choppack – on the PG front, it’s still a bit too early to say that all of those guys have not panned out. It will be very interesting to see how much they can get out of Javi this upcoming year. He has undoubtedly improved greatly but he’ll need to improve even more for this to be an NCAA team.

    I really hope we get Painter. That would give us plenty of frontcourt depth and allow Vandenberg to develop at his own pace.

  2. bradleyb123 04/29/2009 at 2:29 PM #

    ESPN has finished evaluating JV and has him ranked #84.

    ESPN evaluation of Jordan Vandenberg

    (For some reason, I’ve been having trouble posting this comment — Not sure why…)

  3. pakfanistan 04/29/2009 at 2:35 PM #

    I absolutely hate it when people who have information pass it along to the public only to be jumped on. RTPack24 and others don’t have to speak up, and if you treat them like crap, they won’t. Disagree reasonably with the information they pass along, give it whatever weight you think it deserves, but don’t attack them for posting what they hear.

    You’ve got to realize that this is the internet and everybody on the other side of the monitor is simultaneously someone with inside information, a coach, a former college player, a moron, a 60 year old man, and a lonely 14 year old girl.

    I don’t think asking someone to name their sources is an attack, it’s due diligence. It’s like the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and several people on here make extraordinary claims (as absolute statements of fact, no less) and expect it to pass with a wink and a nudge.

    Can’t name sources? Fine, but don’t expect me to take your word as gospel.

  4. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 2:38 PM #

    ^Painter would be nice to get…but I almost would rather have us hold out to get a big next year. Or Harrow’s boy Parker would be a nice get. I understand the whole bird in the hand argument. But 6 kids in one year, that might cause an issue down the road (unless you’re Carolina and plan to have half of those kids go to the NBA in the next two years.)

  5. choppack1 04/29/2009 at 2:39 PM #

    VaWolf – I think most experienced coaches would have been able to find a guard that was good enough so that people weren’t going “if only they had a PG” for 2 straight seasons. Also, while MJ and FD were recruited in his first months, the staff was recruiting another PG in Chris Wright during that time span – so it’s not like they didn’t know they didn’t need help at the position early.

    Also, if Mays wasn’t recruited as a PG, I wonder what in the world the staff was going to use him for – because he really didn’t play other positions throughout the year. (Don’t me started on the lack of creativity I see in line-ups from Lowe. Something that I find baffling from someone who played for Coach V.)

    While it’s not really Sidney’s fault that he was terribly ill-prepared to be a college coach, he shouldn’t be given a pass for it either. I think you’re giving him a pass on his second complete class (the Mays and Williams class.)

    Yes, it stinks that Lowe walked into a less-than perfect situation -but that’s exactly the result in most coaching changes in most sports at most schools.

  6. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 2:46 PM #

    “I also think that you are underestimating how difficult it is to find “decent” point guards. If it was “easy”, then it seems like Sid would have more than one combo-guard when he started.”

    And Roy would have had someone other than Quinton Thomas as a back-up to Ty Lawson.

  7. VaWolf82 04/29/2009 at 2:52 PM #

    My last name isn’t Fowler, Oblinger, Murphy, or Vaughn, so whether or not I give Lowe a “pass” isn’t really relevant to anyone. I’m just pointing out that an inexperienced college coach was forced to make some gambles because of the poor shape that the program was in.

    I just checked the recruit listings at PP and Mays is listed as a SG. Last year’s freshmen class has always been a mystery to me. I don’t know what the staff was looking for or why those two were offered so early.

  8. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 04/29/2009 at 2:53 PM #

    “Not an ACC-caliber athlete…scored his points by posting up people down low (which he won’t be able to do in the ACC). Not a particularly good defender and not particularly good at getting an outside shot off.”

    Sounds like he will fit in well with Les, Herb and Sid’s other recruits.

    Is there not a decent PG in JUCO anywhere? Certainly there is a kid that can dribble and pass with some quickness playing at some community college. Not saying the kid would be the guy to save State and I’m sure he would much smaller than a typical ACC point. I do remember a young man by the name of Spud Webb that came from JUCO and helped out the Pack quite a bit when Sid left NC State.

  9. Bubba 04/29/2009 at 2:54 PM #

    Has anyone seen a copy of Sid’s contract. I heard it had a 5 yr, no termination clause added.I also heard Sid knows he has 2 more years to get in the dance.Sid signs any three of Harrow,Parker,Cothron,or Leslie then he will be here much longer.

  10. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 2:57 PM #

    The problem is not so much any one particular gamble that Lowe took, but rather his complete lack of understanding of scholarship management and how that would impact spacing of the roster and future recruiting. In college basketball, you simply can’t fling crap against the wall to see what sticks.

    And while I would like to argue that Lowe learned from those early mistakes…he just gave Josh Davis a “panic” scholarship.

    If his program management has improved, it’s only from an F to a D. Nowhere near enough to succeed at the ACC level.

  11. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 2:59 PM #

    We have not FOIA’d a copy of Lowe’s contract, but we believe that it will have 3 years remaining after next season. And all of our intelligence says that it’s next year or else, not two more seasons.

  12. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 3:07 PM #

    “I do remember a young man by the name of Spud Webb that came from JUCO and helped out the Pack quite a bit when Sid left NC State.”

    Spud Webb was 1 in 1,000,000,000. You take the most talented JUCO player and they will get absolutely torched in the ACC. Hell, you take some of the best Div II prospects and put them in the ACC and they will melt. Let alone a PG how has to have his hands on the ball for the entire game. I’ve never coached a game in my life…but if I’m going up against Clemson and you give me the choice between Javi or a kid that averaged 40 at Wake Tech…I’m taking Javi. A JUCO kid might make it over half court twice.

  13. pakfanistan 04/29/2009 at 3:08 PM #

    …he just gave Josh Davis a “panic” scholarship.

    What’s your basis for claiming this was a “panic” scholarship?

    I KNOW he didn’t look at the roster and say, “Oh crap! We don’t have enough 6’4″ – 6’7″ role players!”

    What need do you think Lowe was filling (in a panicked manner) when he offered Davis?

    Spud Webb was 1 in 1,000,000,000. You take the most talented JUCO player and they will get absolutely torched in the ACC.

    Nate McMillan was a juco…

  14. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 3:17 PM #

    “Nate McMillan was a juco…”

    And Stephen Jackson went to the same CC as my uncle. There’s this one armed guy that was way better than me when I played pick up games at NC State…I didn’t go home and cut my arm off. I stick by my statement, give me Javi over the JUCO kid.

  15. Noah 04/29/2009 at 3:24 PM #

    You take the most talented JUCO player and they will get absolutely torched in the ACC.

    I don’t think that’s correct at all. Did Bob McAdoo? How about Steve Francis or Sam Cassell?

  16. Noah 04/29/2009 at 3:26 PM #

    I also heard Sid knows he has 2 more years to get in the dance.Sid signs any three of Harrow,Parker,Cothron,or Leslie then he will be here much longer.

    If someone told told you that, you can probably dismiss what they say in the future. They’re facing the wrong direction.

  17. Noah 04/29/2009 at 3:28 PM #

    BTW, it’s also worth noting that Lowe could have very easily had a point guard right now. We could have had Chris Warren. Lowe went and scouted him and then decided that Javi Gonzalez was the better of the two players.

  18. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 3:30 PM #

    ^^You gotta look at the comment I was responding to to get what I was saying. Maybe I didn’t word it properly. My buddy tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc made it seem like you can take a JUCO kid who looks fast and can pass the ball well and place them in the ACC. Perhaps I shouldn’t have said the “most” talented JUCO player and perhaps one in a billion is hyperbole, but JUCO talent rarely translates to a higher level of play. Which is why we remember people like Sam Cassel, Stevey Fran, Steven Jackson and Nate McMillan.

  19. Gene 04/29/2009 at 3:51 PM #

    We could have had Chris Warren.

    I thought we were waiting on Wright, before offering Warren and in the mean time Warren decided to play for an SEC school.

    I can’t lose sleep over Warren. Every coach has a player or two they miss on.

    I remember seeing a clip on the internet from David Letterman of Valvano telling him he saw a skinny 6’3″ high school kid in Long Island and told the guy who recommended him that kid couldn’t play. The kid was Julius Erving.

    The problem NCSU coaches have faced, in the past couple of decades, is we don’t have the depth to bury bad scholarship usage deep on the bench because we’ve produced so few all conference players. We need everyone to contribute because of the lack of star quality players we’ve failed to either attract or develop.

  20. phoenixpack 04/29/2009 at 4:02 PM #

    Painter is visiting this weekend and seems to think he’ll qualify as an ’09 recruit. He’s stated that he’s very high on Lowe and thinks he’s a great coach, but has never been here to check things out before. IF he decides to come here, and IF Harrow and Lowe can convince Parker to come in ’10 then we’d be looking pretty good(talent wise) for the ’10-’11 season.

    PG- Harrow probable 4* Fr
    SG- Brown 4* So
    SF- Parker 5* Fr
    PF/C- Smith 4* Sr
    PF- Howell 4* So
    PF/C- Painter 4* So

    also:
    PG- Javi Sr (who keeps getting better)
    SF/SG- Williams Jr (showed some good things this year)
    SG/PG- Mays Jr (showed some good things this year)
    SG/SF- Wood So (who is supposedly a lights out shooter)
    C- Vandenberg So (7′ with potential)
    SF- Thomas R-Jr (who knows after his injury)
    SF- Davis So (?)

    I think the staff could make something happen with that roster.

  21. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 4:05 PM #

    phoenixpack,

    I am pretty sure it’s Painter OR Parker. We can’t have both.

  22. 61Packer 04/29/2009 at 4:08 PM #

    In my opinion one of three things must happen before Sidney Lowe is out as NC State basketball coach. One is that he will choose not to coach the Wolfpack, another is that the Wolfpack will have another horrible ACC mark next season, and the other is that both the BOT and Fouler will have had enough of the coach and will fire him.

    I don’t have any inside info so I don’t know if Lowe is planning to return to the NBA, but I doubt it. My opinion is that he will keep this job as long as he can hang on to it. And he was plenty tough at hanging on when he was a player. I just can’t see him quitting a cause as important to him as restoring greatness to Wolfpack basketball.

    With the current group of ACC coaches and the talent drain from last season, I believe every team in the conference has a real shot at winning 7 or 8 (or more) ACC games next year. Outside of UVA and Georgia Tech, I don’t see improvement anywhere. State’s returning team absolutely can make a decent run at a .500 mark.

    I don’t know a lot about the BOT except that they don’t seem to like firing coaches, and neither does the AD. It seems that only when there’s a revolt of the big-money fans will this BOT and AD either sh– or get off the pot. I just don’t see movement in sight; all I see is constipation, frustration and exaspiration for our basketball program.

  23. phoenixpack 04/29/2009 at 4:17 PM #

    Thinkpack17,

    I’m pretty sure they could take both. If you count Harrow they have two ‘ships available if there’s no further attrition between now and then. The only question is would you want to take Painter(who at this time last year was a top 20 recruit) or hold that ‘ship for Parker and either Cothron or Leslie?

  24. Bubba 04/29/2009 at 4:18 PM #

    NCState will not fire Sidney Lowe and Monte Towe after 4 years of rebuilding, Not gonna happen. If it helps you to sit around, think and post otherwise, please continue to have at it.

  25. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 4:28 PM #

    phoenixpack,

    We are on the same page. I asked the same question earlier in the thread. I was basically saying the same thing as you. If we get Painter we only have one scholly left…do we offer Parker or hold out for Luke. I was saying I think Parker falls out and they would hold for Luke.

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