Pack Signs Aussie Center

vandenbergI have been waiting for a news article on Jordan Vandenberg to link to, but it doesn’t seem forthcoming. So, here’s a link to The Wolfpacker, with very little information.

My take is that Vandenberg is a 7-foot center project. However, that is not a criticism. He’s not a bad fallback option when you miss on elite lowpost prospects. And unlike Josh Davis, he did have an offer from another major program (USC), and another legitimate mid-major program (Nevada). So it doesn’t require blind faith – which obviously, Lowe and company haven’t shown they deserve – to have some cautious optimism.

Vandenberg’s role in 2009-10 should be extremely limited, but it does give NC State a 4th lowpost option for whenever two of Smith, Howell, and Horner get in foul trouble. I can’t imagine he’ll contribute much when he’s in the game as a freshman, but his height alone makes that preferable to, say, Johnny Thomas at the 4 while Horner plays center.

As a junior and senior, Vandenberg’s ceiling is probably that of a very useful player from a similar background – Georgia Tech’s Luke Schenscher.

Here’s a quote from Noah on another thread, which I agree with 100%:

I don’t mind taking a flyer on a seven footer (who doesn’t have arthritic knees and a heart condition). It’s guys like Davis or 6-0 unranked point guards that I question this late in the season.

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231 Responses to Pack Signs Aussie Center

  1. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 10:03 AM #

    When the people in your corner are comparing you to Doh-boy…that’s not a good sign.

    Doherty is probably a season away from getting fired by SMU, FWIW.

  2. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 10:08 AM #

    ^^I said his hire reminds me of Daugherty’s.

  3. Noah 04/29/2009 at 10:16 AM #

    Yeah, I can see that.

    But D’oh was at least a college coach with a LITTLE bit of success. You could wrap your head around it.

    Lowe didn’t have anything going for him except that he used to play basketball here. I think that, with the exception of a few fans, it was regarded by everyone as a terrible move.

  4. Noah 04/29/2009 at 10:16 AM #

    Oh! Just thought of an exception — Larry Brown thought it was a good move.

    So…there’s one.

  5. packbackr04 04/29/2009 at 10:41 AM #

    doea anyone think Harrow would wait till spring to sign if rumors that Sid is gone start to float around?

  6. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 10:50 AM #

    He seems pretty committed right now, and with all do respect to the intel that people have on this board…I don’t think there are many rumors floating around about Sid’s departure. I really only hear that talk on this site, and like the mods will tell you, this is really the only site of it’s kind out there.

  7. Alpha Wolf 04/29/2009 at 10:52 AM #

    The thing about Sid is that he was never Plan A, Plan B, Plan C or Plan D.

    His hire was an act of desperation by those that ran the search but could not close any deal at all with anyone but Sid Lowe.

    That may not please some fans to hear, but it is the cold truth of the matter.

  8. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 11:00 AM #

    Yes, I do worry about a “hostage” situation with Lowe/Harrow similar to that of Sendek/Hodge.

    I do not think that keeps Lowe from getting fired after next season. But time will tell.

  9. thebigwood 04/29/2009 at 11:08 AM #

    ^ Will Harrow be that much of an impact player?

  10. Gene 04/29/2009 at 11:08 AM #

    SFN: This post should be bronzed for why we argue within the fanbase. What a sad, sad, sad perspective of self-worth. Unfortunately, it resembles the attitude of Lee Fowler and even Chancellor Oblinger far too closely.

    I think the poster’s comment is spot on. No school loads up on multiple 5 star recruits, accept UNC-Ch, on a regular basis. Everyone else has to make do with one or two stud recruits and getting the most out of role players.

  11. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 11:10 AM #

    “Will Harrow be that much of an impact player?”

    Harrow will be a certified monster. If he can squeeze out two more inches…game over man, game over.

  12. Gene 04/29/2009 at 11:13 AM #

    His hire was an act of desperation by those that ran the search but could not close any deal at all with anyone but Sid Lowe.

    That may not please some fans to hear, but it is the cold truth of the matter.

    Lowe’s hiring brought a lot of initial enthusiasm back into the basketball program from the fans, who were both bitterly divided and mad as hell. Even SFN was excited by the Lowe hiring, if I remember correctly, and wasn’t at all critical of him his first year.

    If nothing else, we aren’t nearly as savagely at each others throats, as we were during Sendek’s final year, which I think is a positive of the Lowe hiring and something “x” mid-major coach could not do unless he regularly made the Sweet 16 or won an ACC title.

    Lowe is one of us and we really do want to see him succeed, which has kept us from the in-fighting that plagued the last few years of the Sendek-era.

    Fan enthusiasm positively directed can be a great lure for any coach and is one reason O’Brien wanted to coach here, which I think we have right now with regards to our basketball program that was lacking a few years ago.

  13. McPete 04/29/2009 at 11:14 AM #

    “Will Harrow be that much of an impact player?”

    I wonder that myself. For all the hype he’s getting from state fans, you’d think he’s the 2nd coming of oj mayo. and there is plenty of video out there of him going off against very good competition in georgia. but he’s still a 3* prospect according to scout.com.

  14. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 11:17 AM #

    “but he’s still a 3* prospect according to scout.com.”

    Those rankings haven’t been updated.

  15. McPete 04/29/2009 at 11:24 AM #

    http://ncstate.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?Year=2010&ra_key=1909

    Thinkpack,
    i linked rivals top 150 for 2010. the page says lasted sorted on 4/8/09 (i don’t know if by sorted they mean adjusted rankings), but harrow is not on their list of top 150. players 100-150 are all 3*.

  16. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 11:34 AM #

    McPete,

    They usually don’t re-rank until after the summer evaluation period. Unless he can add some weight and height he probably won’t get up to a 5* before he gets to campus, but I’m betting after Summer AAU he will be a 4*.

  17. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 11:38 AM #

    4-star is probably about right. He’s a very good player.

  18. Alpha Wolf 04/29/2009 at 12:04 PM #

    Lowe’s hiring brought a lot of initial enthusiasm back into the basketball program from the fans, who were both bitterly divided and mad as hell. Even SFN was excited by the Lowe hiring, if I remember correctly, and wasn’t at all critical of him his first year.

    All very true and no one wants Sid to succeed more than I.

    But it doesn’t change the fact that Barnes was Option A, Calipari was option B, Beilein Option C and Lavin was Option D. And probably a few other names I forget or don’t know.

    I realize that the fanbase wanted to have the splashy big coach hire, but I also realize that bungled would be an overly kind way to describe the way that events were managed.

    Keep in mind that Sid was an “advisor” to Fowler during the search, and only after Fowler ran out of names did his candidacy become viable. Did it excite the base? Sure. He’s one of us, someone who innately gets the unique challenges of college hoops in this town and conference. And did the base give him a honeymoon? Yes again, and I think the honeymoon is not quite over. Yes, there is more criticism now than there has been from some quarters, but I also believe anectodally that the majority of State fans want to give Lowe beyond next season to prove his worth. Were it a non-alum coach, the wolf howls would be far louder.

    I personally think Sid is a good game coach, but I think he has yet to completely grasp managing and operating a high profile college program. That, in my view, is what he must master and master in the next two seasons if he is to remain here and be The Guy to lead State towards where it perceives itself as belonging.

    That’s just my personal opinion and you may disagree if you like.

  19. Clarksa 04/29/2009 at 12:21 PM #

    “I personally think Sid is a good game coach, but I think he has yet to completely grasp managing and operating a high profile college program. That, in my view, is what he must master and master in the next two seasons if he is to remain here and be The Guy to lead State towards where it perceives itself as belonging.”

    Agreed.

  20. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 12:21 PM #

    I don’t believe that Lowe has support from any of the major donors beyond the 2009-10 season. And it would take a miracle to change that assessment. This is just what I have heard, but I’ve heard it from multiple channels.

    Alpha is right about an emotional attachment to a semi-alum among some quarters of the fanbase, which is one of the reasons why I generally don’t like hiring alumni. Performance evaluation should be a cold-blooded, objective, bottom line thing.

    Here’s a rule of thumb for alumni hires. If the coach wouldn’t take your job except for his alumni status (like the Cowher hypothetical), it makes sense. When the coach wouldn’t even be considered for the job except for his alumni status, it’s a REALLY bad idea.

    For the record, when the Lowe hire was made, I sent other SFN moderators an e-mail predicting Lowe would either clearly succeed or be an abject failure. It was a complete shot in the dark move, like betting your life savings on a spin of the roulette wheel.

  21. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 12:39 PM #

    My personal assessment is that Lowe is an average game coach, a below average motivator, an average recruiter, and a horrible administrator/program manager.

  22. choppack1 04/29/2009 at 1:01 PM #

    “I suspect that this point defines the current divide in the NC State fanbase. Personally, I don’t think that State had “the right pieces to do better”.

    State’s team the last two years were made up of a combination of Sendek’s recruiting + kids Sid recruited in the first six months of taking the job (+ Gonzalez). The team that resulted lacked ACC quality play at the point guard position.

    If you want to place blame Sidney for his PG recruits…then that line of argument at least makes sense, even if it is a bit harsh. Claiming that a team without decent PG play should have done substantially better than what we’ve seen the last two years is a stretch.”

    VaWolf – while it’s true that he started behind the 8-ball recruiting wise, in the last 2 years he brought in 4 guys to play PG: Farnold, Marquez, Javi and Mays. That none of them have panned out says to me that either that staff’s instincts as recruiters are not great or that the teaching skills are lacking – or perhaps both.

    And let’s face it – if in fact we were just a PG away from some moderate success – quite frankly, you’re in a pretty good position. Good guards don’t grow on trees – but they are plentiful. As for finding the perfect PG – those are harder to find. What is out there in abundance are guards who can handle and distribute the rock. To me, what really has spiked my concern is the inability to find those kids who could play the 2g and 1 at least OK.

    We’ll see – if you’ve read my posts on Lowe, you know I haven’t given up hope on him – and I also realize that there’s a lot of good coaches who ultimately succeeded in this league that didn’t do much more than he did in his first 3 years.

  23. choppack1 04/29/2009 at 1:46 PM #

    Noah – I’m a little concerned. It sounds like certain folks are no longer forcing the issue. I worry that frustration dissipates in the apathy of summer and the hope that fall will bring for football.

  24. VaWolf82 04/29/2009 at 2:14 PM #

    the last 2 years he brought in 4 guys to play PG: Farnold, Marquez, Javi and Mays.

    This statement is factual. but not complete. Within the first six months Sid took 2 transfers (Degand and Johnson). There was probably no way to scout these guys beyond looking at old high school videos. With Degand’s injuries, it’s hard to accurately judge how good/bad the staff’s evaluation of him was.

    Also within the first six months of taking the job, the 2008 freshmen were signed without having the luxury of knowing how either transfer would work out. I don’t know what the staff was looking for with the 2008 class, but I don’t think that Mays was listed as a PG.

    Then in the spring of 2007, Gonzalez was signed after having the opportunity to watch Degand and Johnson in practice. I took Javi’s signing as evidence that one or both of the transfers was not going to work out. When you start fishing for HS seniors in the spring, your options are severely limited.

    Coaches live and die with their recruiting. I just think that it is a shame that Sidney came into such a mess that he was forced to take a number of big gambles at the most important position on the court….and that to date those gambles have not paid off.

    I also think that you are underestimating how difficult it is to find “decent” point guards. If it was “easy”, then it seems like Sid would have more than one combo-guard when he started.

  25. Gene 04/29/2009 at 2:15 PM #

    If you want to place blame Sidney for his PG recruits…then that line of argument at least makes sense,

    I think the season ending injury to Degand, a couple of years ago, can’t be understimated in terms of hurting this team that year. We weren’t a totally sucky team, having beaten Davidson and Villanova, with him at the point.

    We had the awful losses to Michigan State and ECU, but good teams recover from bad losses, like that.

    We didn’t have a back up to Degand ready to play and his injury (and that of Johnny Thomas) did hurt us that year and going into this year, because we had Javi, who was still learning and Degand, who didn’t have ACC experience as a PG; the lack of experience showed up in early conference losses this year, in my opinion.

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