Pack Signs Aussie Center

vandenbergI have been waiting for a news article on Jordan Vandenberg to link to, but it doesn’t seem forthcoming. So, here’s a link to The Wolfpacker, with very little information.

My take is that Vandenberg is a 7-foot center project. However, that is not a criticism. He’s not a bad fallback option when you miss on elite lowpost prospects. And unlike Josh Davis, he did have an offer from another major program (USC), and another legitimate mid-major program (Nevada). So it doesn’t require blind faith – which obviously, Lowe and company haven’t shown they deserve – to have some cautious optimism.

Vandenberg’s role in 2009-10 should be extremely limited, but it does give NC State a 4th lowpost option for whenever two of Smith, Howell, and Horner get in foul trouble. I can’t imagine he’ll contribute much when he’s in the game as a freshman, but his height alone makes that preferable to, say, Johnny Thomas at the 4 while Horner plays center.

As a junior and senior, Vandenberg’s ceiling is probably that of a very useful player from a similar background – Georgia Tech’s Luke Schenscher.

Here’s a quote from Noah on another thread, which I agree with 100%:

I don’t mind taking a flyer on a seven footer (who doesn’t have arthritic knees and a heart condition). It’s guys like Davis or 6-0 unranked point guards that I question this late in the season.

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1995 NC State graduate, sufferer of Les and MOC during my entire student tenure. An equal-opportunity objective critic and analyst of Wolfpack sports.

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231 Responses to Pack Signs Aussie Center

  1. choppack1 04/29/2009 at 8:18 AM #

    wolfpackrocks – I don’t think he’s proven himself as a good recruiter yet. I think he’s shown that he can identify talent – and that he can get the attention of potential recruits – but he actually has a mediocre closing record at this point.

    He couldn’t close on Simmons, Brackman, Larry Davis, Dan Werner, Chris Wright, Cousins, Kelly and Favors. Will we be able to add John Wall to that list?

    He signed a McD AA in his first complete class, and hasn’t had any since. His second class consisted of 2 players who were lightly recruited. His 3rd class is solid, but he’s missed on some big targets.

    I do think he has the potential to be a great recruiter. However, if I was the father of a 5 star or 4 star basketball player, I can’t honestly say I’d consider NC State right now – no matter what my son’s skillset was. OTOH, give me that situation in football and I’d definitely consider NC State. This year, Sidney needs to show that he can coach kids up and get them to the big dance.

  2. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 8:33 AM #

    “His 3rd class is solid, but he’s missed on some big targets.”

    That can be said about many programs in the country…if they are lucky. There are only enough blue chip athletes to go around. EVERYONE lost on the Favors lottery…except GT. EVERYONE is going to lose the Wall lottery…except for one school. Yes Calipari and Roy are good recruiters because they land the big fish, catch and release. But that’s not the only way you become a great recruiter. You can build a team with JR’s and SR’s too. We seem to forget that in this go-go age of flying cars, cryogenics, and one-and-doners.

  3. packalum44 04/29/2009 at 8:40 AM #

    Noah, you’re funny.

  4. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 8:49 AM #

    Great post by chop. The point is not that a Top 20 class is something to sneeze at. The point is that more was needed, since the first full class isn’t contributing much (as we did not capitalize on Hickson’s one year to build program momentum), and the 2nd full class was two Top 150 role players. Factoring in a completely wasted recruiting year after the ineffectual coaching transition process, you need a home run, not a solid double.

    But the double is what Lowe got. I don’t think Lowe is going to coach his way out of the “death spiral” – he has to recruit his way out. And he didn’t do so with this class. Because of said death spiral status, recruiting is going to get much harder without a miraculous on-court turnaround in 2009-10.

    On the positive side, I believe I will be overjoyed by seeing the unexpected miracle next season, or relieved (as Noah stated above) when Lowe is fired.

  5. bradleyb123 04/29/2009 at 8:51 AM #

    “He loves NC State” just like our coach so nothing but good things will happen.And to the person who posted that the 7foot aussie had a physical presence the kid is 7 ft 230 not very physical at all . He also averaged a couple of points per game for the jr national team. As far as offers USC did not offer him a scholarship it was a batlle between us,Boise State and yes Utah Valley State.

    Not making excuses for JV, but didn’t he arrive on the recruiting scene a little late? Seems like he just “appeared” about a month ago, and was suddenly on NC State’s wish list, among a few other schools.

    Could it be that he doesn’t have a long list of GREAT offers because many schools that may have otherwise considered him were already pretty well committed to other recruits?

  6. wufpup76 04/29/2009 at 8:57 AM #

    I haven’t seen the kid play, but like most others I like the Vandenberg signing.

    “A quick note to many of you — rtpack has a long standing, extremely credible reputation whose sources & insight have proven to be correct and we consider to be a tremendous value to our community. ”

    FWIW, I’m glad rtpack posts here when he/she does. rtpack has been very accurate on the few things he/she posts about.

    “On the positive side, I believe I will be overjoyed by seeing the unexpected miracle next season, or relieved (as Noah stated above) when Lowe is fired.”

    ^It should be one way or the other and I’m certainly hoping it’s the former rather than the latter. Either way, we should know what direction our bball program needs to take. Four years is a very healthy evaluation period (not that I would be relieved to see Sidney fired, but at least we would know).

  7. VaWolf82 04/29/2009 at 9:02 AM #

    but he had the right pieces to do better than 10-24 in conference the last 2 years.

    I suspect that this point defines the current divide in the NC State fanbase. Personally, I don’t think that State had “the right pieces to do better”.

    State’s team the last two years were made up of a combination of Sendek’s recruiting + kids Sid recruited in the first six months of taking the job (+ Gonzalez). The team that resulted lacked ACC quality play at the point guard position.

    If you want to place blame Sidney for his PG recruits…then that line of argument at least makes sense, even if it is a bit harsh. Claiming that a team without decent PG play should have done substantially better than what we’ve seen the last two years is a stretch.

  8. wufpup76 04/29/2009 at 9:08 AM #
  9. Noah 04/29/2009 at 9:08 AM #

    I made it through six (SIX!) years of Les Robinson and I don’t remember losing a minute of sleep. I made it through the Butch Hobson years in Boston, the Chuck Tanner years in Atlanta, the George Siefert years in Charlotte…

    The Lowe situation is entirely different. We should change our fight song to Robert Johnson’s “Hellhound on My Trail.”

  10. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 9:10 AM #

    VaWolf – For me, it’s an either-or thing. Either Lowe shows he can coach up lesser players to NCAAT status, or he recruits players good enough to get us there. Being nowhere close after three seasons is a giant red flag, and four seasons will be enough to form a definitive conclusion, without having to explain exactly WHY Lowe did or did not fail.

  11. Wolf74 04/29/2009 at 9:11 AM #

    “BJD95
    April 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
    Great post by chop. The point is not that a Top 20 class is something to sneeze at. The point is that more was needed, since the first full class isn’t contributing much (as we did not capitalize on Hickson’s one year to build program momentum), and the 2nd full class was two Top 150 role players. Factoring in a completely wasted recruiting year after the ineffectual coaching transition process, you need a home run, not a solid double.

    But the double is what Lowe got. I don’t think Lowe is going to coach his way out of the “death spiral” – he has to recruit his way out. And he didn’t do so with this class. Because of said death spiral status, recruiting is going to get much harder without a miraculous on-court turnaround in 2009-10.

    On the positive side, I believe I will be overjoyed by seeing the unexpected miracle next season, or relieved (as Noah stated above) when Lowe is fired.”

    My feelings exactly. Lowe has one more shot – next season – before he is finished. If he misses hitting the bullseye (a winning ACC season record, make a positive buzz in the ACC tourny, make the NCAAs and win a game), his reputation will be so trashed in the minds of future recruits (and their coaches and parents) that nothing will be able to turn it around. Sure we can make a positive spin on a solid recruting class (one that he needed last year), but I believe he needed more to be successful. Maybe he will get Wall and that will put him over the top but I just don’t see it happening. I’ll be pulling for him but I won’t hold my breath. I just hope the people at the top of the program are ready to move quickly and don’t let our program languish for years if he flops next season.

  12. VaWolf82 04/29/2009 at 9:12 AM #

    recruiting is going to get much harder without a miraculous on-court turnaround in 2009-10.

    Many of the top seniors have either already committed as juniors or will committ over the summer and sign in the early fall signing period. Thus any on-court miracles next year may be too late for key recruiting decisions that will be made this summer.

    If you flash back to the 2001/2002 season, State had the on-court miracle of making the NCAAT for the first time in about a decade. However, the recruiting stank that year with four scholarships awarded and three of the kids transferring without ever contributing. The next class was not any better with two scholarships awarded and one transfer.

    My fear is that an on-court miraculous season next year without a good/great recruiting class this summer will only delay the inevitable.

  13. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 9:13 AM #

    “I don’t think that State had “the right pieces to do better”.”

    I don’t think so either. I don’t think I know any fan who thinks that the “6-Pack” didn’t over-acheive.

  14. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 9:15 AM #

    The Robinson years almost put me in the ground. That was the absolute nadir of Wolfpack fandom. No hope whatsoever.

  15. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 9:19 AM #

    ^^^ VaWolf – you may be right. However, you had a number of guys delay their commitments until spring this year, so that could happen again with guys like Cothron, etc. But the flip side is that, absent a miracle, Lowe would really struggle to recruit the 2011 class. Which I don’t think will actually play out, since I think Lowe will get fired absent said miracle.

  16. StateFoxer 04/29/2009 at 9:21 AM #

    ^the Robinson years were my childhood memories of the Pack. We really do have two fanbases co-existing in Wolfpack nation

  17. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 9:21 AM #

    So let’s say the worst happens. Things don’t pan out next year and Lowe is fired immediately after the season…what then?

  18. choppack1 04/29/2009 at 9:32 AM #

    Thinkpack – the worst that would happen is that things don’t pan out next year AND we don’t fire Lowe, and they don’t pan out the next season either.

    I think the Wolfpack fanbase needs a clear and definite result one way or the other so we can start to heal some of these fractures. 2 things will do it – a great season by Lowe or a crappy season by Lowe. Anything else, will basically leave us in the spot we are in now.

    That’s why I was very thankful for Amato’s collapse. I hate that his dreams got crushed – but what if he’d somehow beaten ECU and/or UNC and gone 5-7 instead of 3-9 and kept his job. Butch would be over there at UNC. TOB would be somewhere else and Amato probably would have gone 2-9 or worse the next year.

    Heck, I want us to go to the tourney and advance or see us go 4-12 and no NIT. The worst case scenario is 6-10 or 7-9 and NIT birth w/ some success or CBI championship.

  19. BJD95 04/29/2009 at 9:34 AM #

    Hopefully, a new athletic director is in place by the fall and has 6-7 months to draw up a list and gauge interest in our head coaching position. That should be plenty of time.

  20. Noah 04/29/2009 at 9:38 AM #

    Thinkpack – the worst that would happen is that things don’t pan out next year AND we don’t fire Lowe, and they don’t pan out the next season either.

    Ha! That’s what I was thinking. 🙂

    Provided that a competent AD is in place, I think BJD is right. And I think some people will be shocked by the difference in the hiring process.

  21. bradleyb123 04/29/2009 at 9:41 AM #

    Hopefully, a new athletic director is in place by the fall and has 6-7 months to draw up a list and gauge interest in our head coaching position. That should be plenty of time.

    On this tangent, has anyone heard anything new?

    Alpha, you used to make comments like, “good things come to those who wait”, and “be patient”. To me it sounded like (maybe) you knew a little something, but didn’t feel the need to broadcast it to the world. I sensed silent confidence from you. Do you have any comments to add on the subject of Fowler?
    ————————

    Alpha: all I can say without mentioning names is that someone with direct knowledge of the situation told me that Fowler was almost certainly on his way out, but that it would not be a firing, and that there were some hardball politics being played behind the scenes.

    What’s gone on since then, I don’t know.

    Interestingly, Lee Fowler went out of his way (again) to insult Internet-reading fans at the Caravan (divided the stupid and not stupid by people who read State based sites) and that Purcell went out of his way to congratulate the Coach for the great job he’s doing and how he is unappreciated for it. Purcell must certainly understand the ire of an ever-growing number of fans with the overall performance of NC State athletics, and that increasingly fans are pointing at the AD as a problem and not a solution. To Purcell, that could mean money lost and money lost could create serious fiscal issues.

    I still say to watch Vanderbilt closely to see if they split out their athletics department as they have talked about doing. If that happens they will need an AD. When and if that happens, things *might* get interesting.

  22. wufpup76 04/29/2009 at 9:43 AM #

    ^Agree with Chop’s sentiments above …

  23. Noah 04/29/2009 at 9:43 AM #

    If you’ve been following this situation, this will make sense.

    We’re back to the soft-landing plan rather than the foot-in-the-ass plan.

    I really…really…really….reallyreallyreally was hoping for the latter.

  24. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 9:50 AM #

    Sid’s hire reminds me a lot of Matt Daugherty. He was a role player on a championship team, he was a university man and he got the job because they couldn’t get who they really wanted. But when they forced Daugherty out they knew who they were going with. If Sid indeed is a dead man walking and is out the door, hopefully they have our next head coach picked out. If we go out feeling around in the dark again…I just don’t see it working out well for us.

  25. Thinkpack17 04/29/2009 at 9:52 AM #

    ^^I say this as a Sid supporter.

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