Directors Cup Update – Wolfpack dead last in ACC

A couple of weeks ago we posted somewhat of an ‘open entry’ to allow the community to discuss some of the chatter that is out there regarding Lee Fowler and the NC State Athletics Department. We have a ton to say about that topic and the reaction to the topic and will most definitely re-address the topic in the coming days, but we thought we would stick to a few items that we have been wanting to get on the blog for a while.

The Director’s Cup has released their April 9th standings…and…guess who (AGAIN) sits dead last at the very bottom of all of the programs in the Atlantic Coast Conference?

Current Directors Cup Standings
(2) UNC-CH
(9) Florida State
(13) Virginia
(17) Maryland
(19) Duke
(33) Wake Forest
(44) Virginia Tech
(48) Miami
(50) Boston College
(64) Clemson
(73) Georgia Tech
(78) NC State

This ranking is unfortunately no surprise for those of us that have followed NC State sports under the Lee Fowler era. Unfortunately, NC State is tracking even worse than last year when Fowler’s Athletics Department finished #53 of the 66 BCS institutions, besting only the following major conference institutions: Iowa State, Vanderbilt (Lee Fowler’s alma mater who does not have an actual Athletics Department), Ole Miss, Boston College, Kansas State, Washington State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Oregon State, South Florida, Mississippi State, Rutgers and Cincinnati.

You should go read this important entry from last year to give yourself some context and knowledge. (I just hope that we can one day get our ‘fuhcilities’ on par with everyone else ahead of us so that we can finally catch-up)

—Lee Fowler Years—-
2008-09 – #78 (current)
2007-08 – #56
2006-07 – #44
2005-06 – #34
2004-05 – #51
2003-04 – #39
2002-03 – #43
2001-02 – #46
2000-01 – #56

—Les Robinson Years—
1999-00 – #40
1998-99 – #63
1997-98 – #43
1996-97 – #57

—Todd Turner Years—
1995-96 – #34
1994-95 – #32
1993-94 – #59

As we stated last year:

NC State finished #56 in the Director’s Cup in “Coach” Lee Fowler’s first year as Athletics Director in 2000-2001 and before he set out on his important ‘seven year facilities plan’ that was proclaimed finished in yesterday’s release of the Athletics Department’s annual report. So, after all of those important facilities that had to be built before we could start holding coaches accountable, the Wolfpack’s program is sitting exactly where it was in Fowler’s first year on the job and worse than the average of State’s finishes under both Les Robinson and Todd Turner’s tenure as ADs at NC State (when our facilities were so bad). (Click here for a detailed comparison of recent ADs at NC State).

For those of you particularly interested in numbers, you will be in heaven with the following links to a special series that we ran last year and hope to update some this year:

THE STATE OF STATE

  • Part One – Overall ACC Records (Link)
  • Part Two – Improvement (Link)
  • Part Three – Using Lee Fowler’s Standards (Link)
  • Part Four – AD Comparisons (Link)
  • Part Five – ACC Rankings (Link)

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97 Responses to Directors Cup Update – Wolfpack dead last in ACC

  1. Bubba 04/14/2009 at 4:09 PM #

    Sounds like Kellie Harper will be announced as early as Thursday. Plus one to Lee Fowler on this job search.Might be his only plus though 🙂

  2. bradleyb123 04/14/2009 at 4:30 PM #

    Interesting. Seems to be in line with the earlier rumors on here. I’m anxious, but why the wait?

    I believe things like this aren’t done immediately (we’re not firing a McDonald’s burger-flipper…) They have to determine what is the best time and best way to announce it. I wasn’t expecting an immediate announcement this week on Fowler (although, the sooner the better). I’m hoping to hear something by the end of this week.

    Maybe they want to have an idea who his replacement will be before they make the announcement, who knows.

    I still feel good that something is going down.

  3. Wolf Dog 04/14/2009 at 5:23 PM #

    Noah “I have seen the light (regarding V)”

    Another V bash. I realize every fan base has its Noah. If Dean Smith respected V enough to fill in for him at Yankee Stadium throwing out the first pitch, Coach K respected him enough to stand beside him and help him walk off the stage at the ESPYs, and AD Les Robinson respected him enough to right a wrong by letting him speak on the very court/university where he coached and was illegally fired.

    Then I feel comfortable in my respcet for the man and see you in “the proper light” for disrepecting a man and NCSU icon you never knew and for no good reason unless of course you not really a NCSU fan as I and others suspect.

  4. Noah 04/14/2009 at 5:27 PM #

    Another V bash.

    Ha!!!

    Nope. Just another bash on you and your inability to read. Your the only talking about “V.”

    Then I feel comfortable in my respcet for the man and see you in “the proper light” for disrepecting a man and NCSU icon you never knew and for no good reason unless of course you not really a NCSU fan as I and others suspect.

    !!!

    Stop! You’re killing me.

    It’s rare that a post ACTUALLY makes me laugh out loud…but your posts always do it. I know it’s rude to laugh at the disabled, but I can’t help it.

  5. highstick 04/14/2009 at 5:38 PM #

    As Homer said, “be still my heart”…..If I thought somebody on the BOT finally had the ‘nads to get rid of Lee, my heart would be jumping out of my chest!

    I think the first mention of this was “not to hold your breath”! I can still “hope for change” though and will be surprised beyond belief! It’s time to wake up our own sleeping giant!

  6. TheAliasTroll 04/14/2009 at 6:10 PM #

    Hey Noah/Wolf Dog, get a room. Noah, are you drunk at 7:18 in the afternoon? Just asking, if not you are being extremely childish.

  7. ADVENTUROO 04/14/2009 at 7:29 PM #

    RAL has an article…

    http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/story/4952622/

    Harper to be the new Women’s BB Coach. Glance’s future unknown…I would make a comment about her getting the S****, but that might be politically incorrect.

    I CERTAINLY hope for the best for BOTH COACHES…It will NOT surprise me if Coach Glance lands a MORE Choice position…

    I DO NOT UNDERSTAND ALL THE V Comments…

    V made some mistakes…no doubt about it…BUT they were NO WHERE NEAR THE MAGNITUDE that was originally reported….and the NCAA Investigator absolved him and said he would be happy for V to coach any son of his.

    Dean and Coach K and the REST of the esteemed Coaches still hold V in HIGH REGARD.

    He was the saving grace that held Dick Sheridan at NCSU…

    Stop bashing and read the facts FIRST…

    I urge ANY of you to get a copy of V’s book…They Gave me a LIFETIME Contract…THEN Declared me DEAD. Admittedly, it has V’s POV…but it correct in it’s facts. He was very caustic in the book…but he was more of a comic when he did the audio book of it. It is a REAL TREAT to listen to…

  8. 61Packer 04/14/2009 at 8:06 PM #

    So now we’re Director’s Cup number 78? This means at least a dozen non-BCS conference schools exceed our current sports achievements.

    The problem here is a nitwit school administration that has successfully run off the best football and baseball coaches we’ve probably ever had- Dick Sheridan and Ray Tanner. They also ran off a fairly decent basketball coach in Jim Valvano and replaced him with Les Robinson, who I thought was our most inept coach ever until we hired Sidney Lowe following a decade of Herb Sendek mediocrity. And now our school is on the verge of casting aside Stephanie Glance and the Kay Yow legacy for a Southern Conference coach who “must” be good because she played for Pat Summit.

    About the only good thing we’ve got left to cheer for is Coach Tom O’Brien and a football team that went 6-7 last season and was dependent primarily on one player to carry the team. What may well happen is that O’Brien will make the football program really good, and will leave it in good hands when he retires, and by then, the LTR seats will have run their “lifetime” of 20 years and we’ll be asked by Wolfpack officials to ante up considerably more money to keep those seats. Anyone see this one coming?

  9. Greywolf 04/15/2009 at 12:53 AM #

    61Packer
    April 14th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    “The problem here is a nitwit school administration that has successfully run off the best football and baseball coaches we’ve probably ever had- Dick Sheridan and Ray Tanner.”
    `
    Care to tell us how the nitwit school administration ran off Sheridan and Tanner? The story going around is Sheridan retired for health reasons and Tanner was enticed by South Carolina to come there.

    SFN: No, the story behind the story is that both detested Todd Turner and Sheridan used his health to back away gracefully. The general feeling was that if Turner wasn’t our guy at the time Sheridan could/would have found a way to remain (even if it meant a short-term leave). Tanner was only able to be ‘enticed’ to leave he and his wife’s alma mater because of Turner and his inability to try to work towards improving the baseball facilities.

  10. Rick 04/15/2009 at 7:18 AM #

    Greywolf is wrong? shocker

    He spews more crap than the Iraqi PR director.

  11. Wolf Dog 04/15/2009 at 8:30 AM #

    SFN makes a good point. Sheridan was a man of character. V as AD had been able to keep him due to promises of upgrades.

    Combine V gone, no upgrades, he did have health issues, and his not liking the way V was terminated, and Sheridan took the exit door. What coach wants to work in an environment where they told the B ball we not going to honor your contract even though you didn’t violate your contract or pay you, goodbye!

    Losing Tanner was a shame. I never felt like he had unreasonable requests. Yet we did nothing and let him walk. NCSU had always done well in baseball. Eastern NC has always been a great talent pool for baseball.

  12. Classof89 04/15/2009 at 8:42 AM #

    Regarding dismissing those who have some perspective on the Valvano era as Noah does as younger fans who weren’t around at the time, let me tell you that I was an undergraduate at the time of the Golenbach fiasco, and I find Noah’s analysis of V as someone who was simply involved in too many things to be excellent at any one of them is spot-on. Regardless of the N&O, Claude Sitton, the black helicopters, blah, blah, blah, the key fact is that V allowed himself to be put into a situation that his enemies could take advantage of. And for that, he has noone but himself to blame. The painful tragic death pretty much sealed his martyrdom and canonization in the eyes of the majority of the fan base. As you can see from this thread, that anger and desire to blame others continues even to today. It’s a natural psychological reaction to anyone who dares challenge cherished assumptions…

  13. GAWolf 04/15/2009 at 8:46 AM #

    When Tanner was here, our baseball field was in worse shape than my high school field. At least the high school field was level. I can’t blame Tanner for leaving. Even today, the great “facilities” at Doak, were archaic before they were finished. It’s certainly better… but it was about like putting a band aid on a massive head wound.

    Check this:

    http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/facilities/unc-boshamar-stadium.html

    Vs this:

    http://www.gopack.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9200&ATCLID=518479

  14. GAWolf 04/15/2009 at 8:50 AM #

    Who remembers seeing the shirtless guy in the blond wig running around Carter-Finley being chased by the cops holding up a bed sheet with the words “Golenbach Sucks!!!” on it??

    It was like an old fast reel black and white movie of cops and robbers as they zig zagged through the stands chasing him and fans supporting him making the cops go around them. He’d pop up on the hill, then the student section, then the upper deck. It was great. I can’t recall if they ever nabbed him, and it’s been so long my facts could be distorted by my faulty memory.

    Excellent, excellent entertainment… and for a good cause.

  15. Classof89 04/15/2009 at 9:09 AM #

    And again, though Golenbach’s book reeked of shoddy journalism and was riddled with factual errors, the fact that V turned himself into a national media personality while neglecting matters at home with his program made him a natural target for those seeking to sell books and newspapers. I guarantee you that noone is ever going to write a book about Herb Sendek, because noone who doesn’t follow sports knows who the heck he is, and those who do know don’t care to read a book about him…

  16. Wolf Dog 04/15/2009 at 10:30 AM #

    Got to agree with the person that stated. If you want to know V start by reading his book. And Class of 89, you have your opinion but if you think the vast majority of the fan base agrees with you, you are wrong.

    I been to lots of booster functions and was at the game V gave his speech. The vast majority hold him in high regards as do his esteemed colleagues. Many still push to this day to name something after him.

    Like innovators and people ahead of the status quo of their time V will be misunderstood by cynics and small thinkers.

    Coach K and Coach Bobby Bowden no different today than V was back then. Sirus radio, commercials, talk shows, ESPN, etc. Go to Tallahassee and tell me if you can go 3 days without hearing a TV or radio commercial by Bobby Bowden. Coach K everywhere like V was, does mean he not able to be a good B Ball coach. Shoe contracts and endorsement deals for coaches. The UNC Board of Governors had the SBI investigate V for such things. They common place today.

    If V did such a bad job as some of you proclaim, then why did the UCLA’s and pro teams want him? Even after State he had plenty of offers. Even the NCAA Investagor gave him a glowing endorsement! Those in the Business thought he did his job well, yet a few of you want us to think you know better.

    But Hey I am sure as an undergraduate in 89, you had a better grasp on the situation than coach K, dean smith, Vitale, Yow, and others that think the man was of great character.

  17. haze 04/15/2009 at 11:52 AM #

    A couple of points…

    First, holding an opinion that is different from the majority says nothing about the validity or factual consistency of the opinion. Heck, most fans of most causes, from NC State to the Red Sox to Greenpeace to the NRA, delude themselves to some degree or another. Disagreeing with the mass may just be a sign of sanity.

    Second, neither Noah nor 89 impuned Valvano’s character. They just said he was a talented guy who had many interests and that the sum of those interests distracted him. That seems pretty accurate, IMO, and it’s hardly a condemnation. So V wasn’t perfect, get over it. He was the best game coach I’ve ever seen in college ball. He won an NC and made multiple Elite 8 appearances. There’s reason to love him without blowing it into reflexive hero worship.

    Personally, I wouldn’t start our slide with V. I’d start with administrative culture that came out of the Golenbock debacle. It was a risk-averse, insecure nightmare until Fox showed up. Post-Fox (who was hardly a saint), we’ve been anti-Fox, which is to say that our top guys just don’t care very much. Until they are convinced to care ($$$), it won’t get better.

  18. Gene 04/15/2009 at 1:34 PM #

    Coach K and Coach Bobby Bowden no different today than V was back then. Sirus radio, commercials, talk shows, ESPN, etc.

    Valvano did his ESPN / commentary stuff while basketball season was going on. Read Four Corners about the history of Big Four b-ball in North Carolina, from Case through the late 1990’s, and there’s an anecdote where Valvano left after a road game to make an appearance doing TV commentary for another basketball game. He didn’t travel back with his players.

    He got over extended in other activities that sometimes made basketballseem like a secondary interest.

    Go to Tallahassee and tell me if you can go 3 days without hearing a TV or radio commercial by Bobby Bowden.

    Those are taped….he’s not doing ’em live… 😆

  19. Wolf Dog 04/15/2009 at 2:54 PM #

    I said V was a man of character, people can draw their own conclusions as to who impuned his character. I think the summation of all of Noah’s negative posts about him would fall into that category.

    No one is perfect and V was not, but you got to be kidding if you think not traveling back with the team to do commentary or something else once in awhile is out of the ordinary for coaches.

    But enough of that. V was a special person. You can place him how you wish we each have our own opinions.

    I do know that had he stayed as AD and all the crap had not have happened. V could very well have made us one of the formost universities in sports in all the country. He was ahead of his time in hiring of coaches. Imagine the talent level of coaches he could have attracted with the lure of guaranteed contracts like coaches have today, before they were common place. Remember even Coach K referred to V in setting up his contract renewal.

  20. GAWolf 04/15/2009 at 3:41 PM #

    Haze wins the smart cookie award. His thoughts are very well written/said.

  21. redfred2 04/16/2009 at 7:50 PM #

    “There’s reason to love him without blowing it into reflexive hero worship.”

    That is absolutely correct Haze.

    There certainly are reasons why these things happened to V, and to NC State, but it seems some people will bitch on and on about the NC State of today, and talk on and on about all of it’s ineptitude in this day and time, they’ll talk about current media bias in regards to NC State, and then those same people will turn right around and lay 110% of the blame directly at Jim Valvano’s feet for what happened back then.

    I can only call that one thing, ignorance.

  22. redfred2 04/16/2009 at 8:24 PM #

    I have said it before, but this thread only confirms it even further. There are certain fans on here who so highly covet NC State’s “appearances”, over any real substance that NC State might have gained over the past twenty years by simply playing “the game” on the same terms as it’s peers, that if a comparison were to be made between the views of the self-righteous fans, and that of the cautious Boy Scouts in NC State’s administration, the NC State administration would come off looking like hardened criminals in that comparison.

    Like I’ve also said before, for some people, if it’s written down anywhere, or if it’s been reported by the media at one time or another, then there is no need to even bother thinking any further about the circumstances on your own. From that point forward, it’s simply FACT, no if’s, and’s, or but’s about it.

    I could also possibly go on to make a point about how a “fake diploma” might have been too much, and how that sort of thing could be really offensive to those who obsess and who are so fixated on outward “appearances”, but I’ll just leave it at that.

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