Coaching Carousel Comments (Updated 3/18)

Wednesday, March 18th
Great conversation going on here! So, we thought that we would just elevate this entry back to the top and add this link from Jeff Goodman at Fox Sports to the mix.

He has listed the 12 coaches that could get hot and make a jump due to either their appearance – or performance – in the Big Dance. These are all non-BCS guys except the interim staff at Arizona.

First name on the list is none other than:

Sean Miller, Xavier – He’s been a commodity in the past year or two, but sources told FOXSports.com that the hefty buyout has dropped considerably. He’s done a terrific job overachieving with the current Musketeers group and should have a shot at Virginia or anything else that opens in his comfort zone.

Tuesday, March 17th
By now, you probably know how much we love the coaching carousels. This is the time when programs can be made and/or destroyed. The potential fallout of Virginia’s firing of Dave Leitao has added a layer of complexity and interest to this year’s carousel for us all as it is no secret that our own Sidney Lowe and Georgia Tech’s Paul Hewitt now enter next season as the two coaches with the hottest seats in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

The following comments come from an article today from Duke graduate, Seth Davis.

We already have four openings at prominent programs: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia and Virginia. What do all of those schools have in common? They’re all big state schools. We all know these schools are facing budget crunches, but aside from Arizona, their administrations made the decisions to create these openings. I don’t think they would do that unless they were ready to throw out some big money to find replacements.

Taking Arizona out of the mix for the moment, the two biggest names that will be mentioned are Oklahoma’s Jeff Capel and Missouri’s Mike Anderson. Should Anderson be inclined to leave Missouri, Alabama would seem to be an obvious choice since he’s from the state, but Georgia has a dynamic young athletic director in Damon Evans, and many in the business believe that is the better job because there are more players in that state. I think it is highly unlikely that Capel would leave Oklahoma for Alabama or Georgia. Yes, he’s about to lose Blake Griffin to the NBA, but freshman guard Willie Warren is probably coming back, and he’ll be joined next season by two McDonald’s All-Americans. Plus, Capel works for arguably the best AD in the country in Joe Castiglione. I’m sure he is prepared to do whatever he can to keep Capel at OU.

Virginia, however, is another story. Capel grew up in Virginia, his wife is from Raleigh, and of course he played in the ACC for Duke. Virginia is a first-rate university, it has a brand new arena and an excellent recruiting base. Plus, if you finish third in the ACC, they build you a statue. It will be awfully difficult for Capel to give up the success and job security he has in Oklahoma, but if he does, this would be the kind of situation that could be worth it. So stay tuned.

If Virginia doesn’t hire Capel, I think they’ll go after Tubby Smith. Tubby, in fact, is still on Arizona’s radar screen. I think Smith would be interested in both those jobs, but I do not see him at Georgia or Alabama. A lot of people are speculating that VCU’s Anthony Grant is going to be in the mix at Georgia, but from what I’m hearing, Grant is a longshot for that job at best. I’ve also heard that USC’s Tim Floyd might be a candidate at Alabama, but I find it hard to believe he will go there. Not only did Floyd just get a commitment from Renardo Sidney, one of the best high school players in America, but he’s a low-key guy who likes nothing more than being able to walk into a restaurant and have nobody recognize him. He certainly won’t have that in Tuscaloosa.

Otherwise, I still believe the Arizona vacancy is Mark Few’s to turn down. While the decision won’t necessarily come down to money, Arizona is going to have to demonstrate a commitment to Few that goes beyond his own salary. Right now, Gonzaga flies a charter to many of its road games, and Few has the use of a private plane for his recruiting trips. For a man who is so devoted to his wife and three young children, that is no small issue. If Arizona can’t lock down Few, then I’m hearing the school is likely to go after Tubby Smith or Reggie Theus. The sleeper? UNLV coach Lon Kruger, who is familiar with that area of the country, won’t cost too much money and, most important, is a great coach who spent time in the NBA. You cannot overstate how big of an asset a pro background is with prospective recruits.

I usually try to avoid speculating on jobs that are not vacant, but unfortunately that is part of the job. That said, I can tell you that all eyes in the college basketball world are on Lexington, Ky. While it may be hard to believe that the school would get rid of Billy Gillispie after two years, I am getting indications that athletic director Mitch Barnhart could very well be moving in that direction. There is a concern that if Gillispie comes back, many of his players will either turn pro or transfer. One well-placed source told me last week that the decision to remove Gillispie was already “done.” I believe that was overstated, but Barnhart’s relative silence on this matter has been deafening. I left a message for Barnhart over the weekend and my call was returned not by him, but by an athletic spokesman, who naturally told me Barnhart had no comment on the matter. If Barnhart thinks he can wait another few weeks until Kentucky is done playing to resolve this matter, he is sorely mistaken.

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(sarcasm warning)…I am just wondering who in the hell would want to coach at Kentucky? Those fans are crazy! Obviously they won’t be able to attract any good coaches after the way they have run away a National Champion in Tubby Smith and now pressured Gillispie after just two years. This is probably a lot like Indiana who ran away a great guy in Mike Davis (who took the Hoosiers to the National Championship game). Obviously, these horrible fans are ruining these once great programs. No good coaches will want to work somewhere that wants to win so badly.

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147 Responses to Coaching Carousel Comments (Updated 3/18)

  1. Par Shooter 03/18/2009 at 2:35 PM #

    One of the things that’s just sad is that even the most ardent Sid-backer is basically just saying “let’s see what he can do with all his players.” While there are cetainly folks who feel he has earned a right to “show us what he can do with his players” I don’t really see anybody who expects great things from Sid nor do I see anybody with any real faith that he will excel here. It’s almost as if the 2 sides are debating whether he should be relieved of his duties now as opposed to 1 or 2 years from now.

    If the standard were to be the NCAA’s or bust next year, does anybody honestly believe that is going to happen? Being that we’re NC State we would never set such objective criteria but in the event that we did, can you imagine Sid and this “coaching staff” leading the mess of a team that we’ll have left to a tourney berth? Due to the recruiting/scholarship allocation mishaps of the last 3 years, the team next year has a TON of flaws with the 2 biggest being no PG and no C (gee, where have we heard this before?). With the complete lack of interest this staff has shown in teaching defense I cannot imagine the team next year accomplishing much beyond the last 3 teams (not much). My guess is that we may be able to get back to 6-10 but that’s about the ceiling. What then?

  2. ThomYorkepack 03/18/2009 at 3:05 PM #

    Miller, Stevens, or Gregory would be great fits in the ACC. I love the way Gregory gets his guys to compete…you can tell he’s an Izzo disciple.

  3. whitefang 03/18/2009 at 3:09 PM #

    Clarksa, we obviously don’t agree, but you are somewhat correct about Leitao. He did have issues with some players, and I’m told some parents got “involved” and that embarrassed Casteen whose job is to protect UVa’s rep and to keep the endowment money rolling in. Of course had Leitao been winning, he would not have been fired.

    Yes we aren’t having a player revolt. Maybe a player revolt would be an improvement – or at least a concerted team effort to play their asses off 100% of the time.
    Reality is Lowe isn’t paying a price for the lack of results. Leitao did.

  4. Noah 03/18/2009 at 3:10 PM #

    If the last three Sendek players were total scrubs, I could see some logic behind the “let him play with HIS guys” argument. But those three guys were all top-100 recruits. All of them have shown moments of greatness. All three were among our leading scorers and rebounders this year.

    It’s not like they were sitting at the end of the bench taking up space and keeping someone else from getting a scholarship.

    When I hear people talk about quality coaches, I don’t usually hear them engage in an excuse-fest. The quality guys, you usually spend your time talking about their positive attributes.

    What was Lowe’s best year? His first…the team that had the MOST Sendek player. The year that he was supposedly crippled by Simmons and Brackman leaving (an excuse that ONLY covered one season, BTW) and the empty recruiting class. And that was the year that we had the MOST success.

    He’s going to get another year. If we were going to fire him, it would have happened this week. But at this point, you ought to know how this story ends. Hell, even Lowe knows, if the rumors about the last two off-seasons are true.

  5. howlie 03/18/2009 at 3:15 PM #

    I guess it goes without saying, but CJ Leslie’s announcement that he is ‘pulling out’ of his commitment to NC State changed everything with Sidney. With CJ’s commitment, State’s return to the top three in the conference and the dance seemed virtually certain, given the class preceeding him.
    Now, the pressure is entirely on the next class; this next year; as the ‘season in the crucible.’

    So many things are OUTSIDE Sid’s control. He/We really need WFU to lose three players; and to see lots of other McD players from other ACC schools jump to the NBA early–THIS year. Sid needs all of next year’s players to STAY healthy. Truth be told, he needs a few “breaks” over the course of the season, which non-blue schools seldom get. He needs all the ‘stars to align’ and for these incoming frosh to play beyond their years. But not TOO far, so they will stay around. And IF those things happen; the HOPE is that CJ will recommit–in which case the corner will have been turned–but the pressure to ‘maintain’ the ‘first tier’ recruiting will not be lessened.

    Things really need to speed up so the big battleship can turn around THIS next year.
    God save the Wolfpack and El Sid.

  6. backinpack 03/18/2009 at 3:18 PM #

    I sometimes wonder if the success* of TOB and Company on the football field, is due to the fact that we had heavy attrition with many of our scholarship players that didn’t want to be around for the new regime. The difference is that with 85 scholarship players you can probably lose 25 guys off a football team before it feels the same as losing 1 basketball starter with such a smaller team.

    If Fells, Grant, Costner, or McCauley left when Sid came to West Raleigh it would have felt like a huge blow to the program — though many here would probably feel today that it would have been a good idea long-term, we would have been pissed if that happened. I’ve never felt like Lowe needed to get his guys in there to be successful, he just need some guys that will listen and are capable of listening. There also needs to be a successful plan in place to use the existing resources to get the job done.

    I’m not sure which is missing right now, but after this year I don’t think there can be much of an excuse about not having players that are capable of listening.

    I’ll hold off judgement until then and if we suck again, I’ll hope that all of Texas’ good players declare for the draft and their recruiting class sucks for 2010.

    * Success because we made a nice run when everyone was healthy. We by no means a great team last year and the record speaks to that.

  7. packbackr04 03/18/2009 at 3:19 PM #

    noah. are you talking about all the time spent golfing in the offseason?

  8. Wulfpack 03/18/2009 at 3:35 PM #

    Ahh, another half hour spent reading an SFN thread. Good stuff. Well, at least we have nice fuhhcilities….

  9. Wolf74 03/18/2009 at 3:44 PM #

    “On paper, Lowe was absolutely a “poor choice.” However, a lot of people seem to be holding that against him when all he did was say yes to a great job offer. I personally think Coach Lowe is paying the price from certain fans for the last 20+ years of being more or less a doormat in college basketball. In all likelihood, Coach Lowe will be here at least 2 more year unless we have another year like last year, or he ceases to be that “nice guy” by doing something stupid off the court.”

    Absolutely it was a bad hire on paper but appeared to have some upside potential. I nor any NCSU fan I know is holding this bad hire against Lowe. What we are disappointed in is his teams lack of performance in years 1 (except for one 6 game stretch), 2, & 3. Everytime you think something is fixed, something else breaks. This is OJT. Even Fowl-up admitted such recently. NCSU should not have to train a head coach in the basics of college coaching with little guarantee of ultimate success.

    Heck, I don’t even hold this bad hire, on paper, against Fowl-up. What I hold against him is defending Sendek above and beyond the call of duty, calling his customers Lunatic Fringe, getting caught completely off guard when Sendek left, stating we don’t need no stinking (a little pun from Blazing Saddles) agent to do the coaching search, a joke of a BB head coaching search, and for “knowing basketball”. I wouldn’t even care if he fished all the time if his sports teams were successful on the field and on the court.

  10. ktoh 03/18/2009 at 4:21 PM #

    Clarksa were you serious??”I think Sid will be here another 2 seasons unless he has another year like this year” Wait, wasn’t this season one of his better seasons? We got a 10th,12th and 10th place if we finish 9th what do we have a parade?

  11. Noah 03/18/2009 at 4:55 PM #

    noah. are you talking about all the time spent golfing in the offseason?

    The rumors have been that he’s been trying to get his old job back.

  12. LRM 03/18/2009 at 5:03 PM #

    I’d gladly write him a letter of recommendation if I knew Fowler wouldn’t call up Lakista McCuller for an interview.

  13. wolfpack4evermore 03/18/2009 at 7:06 PM #

    Honestly, whether we liked or disliked Herb, whether we like or dislike Sidney, the real question is not whether Sid can coach or recruit at a high level. I think that the real question is: does anyone here want Fowler to pick the next men’s basketball coach????? If a move is made now, are we not in for more embarrassment and shame from the national press? Lee F. could not manage a two hole port-a-john. Don’t we have to have movement on a new athletic director before Sid is terminated? Please, what can be done to remove this leech of an AD?

  14. Clarksa 03/18/2009 at 7:15 PM #

    I’m done…fire Sid, fire Fowler, and just keep replacing coaches/AD’s until we find one that sticks…hopefully before another 20 years passes.

  15. Noah 03/18/2009 at 7:23 PM #

    LRM with the post of the day.

  16. DT44 03/18/2009 at 7:36 PM #

    off-topic, but watching Miami v. Providence in NIT—–zebras treating the ‘canes like they were a blue team, even in the Friars’ house…

  17. Alpha Wolf 03/18/2009 at 8:11 PM #

    ”Seriously though, this blog is THE PLACE for negativity. And don’t you dare express an opinion contrary to the commonly held.”

    No offense, but I have to call bullshit on that.

    This place was like a roller coaster during the last football and basketball season. And given reason to be positive, this site is as positive as any.

    Reference the spring football thread for more information.

  18. redfred2 03/18/2009 at 9:05 PM #

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  19. buttPACKer 03/18/2009 at 9:27 PM #

    well said, redfred.

  20. redfred2 03/18/2009 at 9:29 PM #

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  21. TJEVERETTE1984 03/18/2009 at 9:40 PM #

    Wolfpack Nation,

    I know we are feeling terrible and we are sitting around filling out brackets and there is NO nc state team to fill out.It is getting to be too much of a regular thing and quite frankly I am sick of it. I am glad we did not make the NIT because we did not deserve it. We threw away I know at least 4 games this year that we should have won and to me the last 3-4 games including the acc tournament our guys flat out quit. We never had any intensity or the killer instict that we needed down the stretch or for that matter all year. I see other teams play and they play so hard diving and scrambling and sweating and just playing hard and hustling. I do not see that on our team at all.

    We scramble for maybe 2 balls a game and that is considered hustle to me that is flat out bullshit. If you are playing in the A.C.C. and having a free ride to school then why in the hell can’t you hustle and play to win not play to play. I think that it falls on Sidney Lowe’s shoulders no question in my mind. He is not a good motivator at all and I can’t figure it out because Jimmy V was a MASTER of motivating his players. Sidney Lowe for one has not surrounded himself by capable assistants in my book. Monty Towe is a joke, Larry Harris is a joke and Pete Strickland is a complete joke. If Sidney Lowe would have some better help around him he may could do a much better job. I also lay that on Sidney Lowes shoulders because he brought those guys together on his staff. We have nobody teaching hustle,defense,boxing out, intenseness for 40 minutes. I get tired of hearing this was Herbs players and stuff because Lowe has had long enough to instill his work ethic and make these guys play hard or sit there asses on the bench. I think Sidney Lowe is a NBA assistant coach and that is where he needs to be. I hate to sound classless or like a butthole but he does not have any characteristics to be the head man at NC STATE. I do not care if he built NC STATE from the ground up and mowed the grass every week he is not fit to be the head coach here.

    3 years is enough and we have in my eyes gotton MAYBE a little tiny bit better this year than last year but hell there wasn’t but 1 way to go in my book. I do not blame CJ Leslie for backing out and he will end up going to Memphis to WIN and I dont blame the young man. JOHN WALL will go to Memphis to WIN and I dont blame him either. I feel bad for Lorenzo and for Wood and for Howell because they are coming to lose. There are some very very good prospects out there that we could go and get that would love to coach in the ACC right now and here is my list.
    1. Bobby Knight- I dont care if he is 90 years old he is a MAJOR UPGRADE he would bring it TOUGHNESS,ACCOUNTABILITY,RESPECT FOR THE GAME, BASIC BLOCKING OUT AND DEFENSE. He is a great motivator and he has the one thing we have lacked for YEARS dicipline. I would promise you a full RBC Center next year if he was in charge of this program. We would never have to worry about hustle any longer and he would recruit guys that want to play basketball and are willing to dive,grab,fight for every single loose ball. He would in my opinion a GREAT guy for the job and bring back some great rivalries for a good 5-6 years and then the losing culture would be gone when he retired and we could build on what he would bring to the program.
    2. Sean Miller- Great young coach who has done nothing but great things at Xavier and would love to come back to N.C. State and could build this team up himself back into the NCAA tournament and guys would play hard for him. Virginia will probably steal him because we are to dumb.
    3. Tubby Smith- Very good I.Q. everywhere this fellow goes he wins baskebtall games and he has the defense upgraded from day 1 on the job.
    4. Jeff Capel- I do not care that he is from Duke he is USED to winning and could also change the culture of the program.

    Let’s face it though we are not bright enough to fire Sidney Lowe and getting 1 of these 4 guys to turn our program around and sustain it and stop the hires of un worthy coaches or someone that did something good for us 25 years ago. I am sick of the circus act let’s get this thing turned around.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  22. BSIE80 03/18/2009 at 9:51 PM #

    I vote to give Sid a contract extension.This will ensure we don’t have any issues with potential recruits. The haters can shut up for a few more years.

    Knight is doing what he should have done about 10 years ago. He does a good job of it and should not be coaching at this stage of his career. Anyone thinking different is nuts.

    All of the other coaches mentioned here is a bigger risk than we should take. The grass is not always greener.

    So, I say we hold steady, be happy, and expect improvement and long term we will have championships…

  23. redfred2 03/18/2009 at 9:57 PM #

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  24. WolftownVA81 03/18/2009 at 10:12 PM #

    ^ Redfred, there’s a reason for all the talk of standards. After all, we are in a new era of athetic excellence. Says so right at the top of LF’s resume, I mean Bio.

  25. turfpack 03/18/2009 at 10:45 PM #

    Redfred- Nail on head-swish!-you are a winner -collect your prize.
    NCSU and leadership can’t be used in the same sentence it’s impossible-bc there is none.BINGO!

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